PETA...hmmmm.

[mykidsand_i]

What kind of animals? I know nothing about rodent, fish or cat breeding but I do know that that NO REPUTABLE dog breeder would EVER sell their puppies in a pet store. Truthfully I would assume the same would go for all type of animal breeders.

OK, I wrote it wrong. It's not a 'store' as much as it is a 'farm' where they have 100% purebreed dogs. They do dalmations. They have space to run around, they are not FORCED to breed...The guy who ones it is a vet. He also does horse breeding and use to sell rabbits (I don't know much about the rabbits, he quit doing that before we were in this area) There is a 'store' on one of the farm properties, but the animals are not kept inside of the store. It just sells good dog foods, animal products- such as flee products, collars and things like that. This is also where a person would go to buy the dog(s), because that is where money is held/stored...

We've been out there before for a school field trip. And again a few weeks after for my mom and dad to buy one of the dogs.

I've also seen other breeder farms that do nothing but good for these animals.

the fact is that there are a lot of people out there that WANT to buy or can ONLY buy a pure bred dog (due to allergies, or that they want to use it for show...gasp, what would Peta say???)

I have never believed that animals have more (or the same) rights as humans. Some people believe that. It doesn't make me a bad person or a person who doesn't like animals. It makes me normal.

 

[Planogirl]

I think that $300 for a pet is ludicrous but of course YMMV. I probably feel that way because I prefer to adopt a pair (of cats in my case) and I'd rather handle most of the initial veterinary care myself. I would also prefer to have money left over in case an animal needs a lot of veterinary care for some reason.

That aside...PETA is a ridiculous organization IMO. They give good animal rescues and charities a bad name with their 'out there' policies and practices. They might make good points by being against puppy mills but I think that much of the public ignores all of their messages just because of who they are.

 

[Planogirl]

I see nothing wrong with good breeders. My parents always loved Collies and adopted one from a nice lady. Her dogs ran loose in a huge yard and I just remember a lot of happy puppies bouncing around our feet.

Incidently I priced rescued adult Collies recently and those were more expensive than the puppies in some cases. I hate to go on about price but this surprised me.

 

[robinb]

I think that $300 for a pet is ludicrous but of course YMMV. I probably feel that way because I prefer to adopt a pair (of cats in my case) and I'd rather handle most of the initial veterinary care myself. I would also prefer to have money left over in case an animal needs a lot of veterinary care for some reason.

Considering it cost me over $200 to spay and microchip my poodle, I don't think a $300 adoption fee is particularly outrageous.

 

[Planogirl]

Considering it cost me over $200 to spay and microchip my poodle, I don't think a $300 adoption fee is particularly outrageous.

I think it depends. (Of course. ) I want a pair of cats and all I want is for them to be spayed if possible. I want to go to my own veterinarian to get as much done as possible because frankly we've been burned by shelters before. Some have had conditions that the shelters just conveniently didn't know about so I wonder how many really give them adequate treatment.

I just can't justify $600 for a pair of mutts as much as I adore them. I can easily pick up cats for $10 a piece from some of the city shelters in the area.

Ugh, enough about price though! It seems somehow cold... Back to the evils of PETA...

 

[snarlingcoyote]

What kind of animals? I know nothing about rodent, fish or cat breeding but I do know that that NO REPUTABLE dog breeder would EVER sell their puppies in a pet store. Truthfully I would assume the same would go for all type of animal breeders.

I know someone who breeds chihuahuas and yorkies and yes, he does work with one single pet store. The owner of the pet store sells his puppies, along with the puppies of about 2 other breeders. If someone asks, she will call the breeder and let them go visit the breeder, but the monies and the headaches all go thru HER, and she is the one who tells people NO if she thinks they would abuse/neglect a dog. For those services, these reputable breeders are happy to give her a cut of the profits. There are some real nut jobs out there who want dogs or don't want to pay for a dog etc.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

OK, I wrote it wrong. It's not a 'store' as much as it is a 'farm' where they have 100% purebreed dogs. They do dalmations. They have space to run around, they are not FORCED to breed...The guy who ones it is a vet. He also does horse breeding and use to sell rabbits (I don't know much about the rabbits, he quit doing that before we were in this area) There is a 'store' on one of the farm properties, but the animals are not kept inside of the store. It just sells good dog foods, animal products- such as flee products, collars and things like that. This is also where a person would go to buy the dog(s), because that is where money is held/stored...

We've been out there before for a school field trip. And again a few weeks after for my mom and dad to buy one of the dogs.

I've also seen other breeder farms that do nothing but good for these animals.

the fact is that there are a lot of people out there that WANT to buy or can ONLY buy a pure bred dog (due to allergies, or that they want to use it for show...gasp, what would Peta say???)

I have never believed that animals have more (or the same) rights as humans. Some people believe that. It doesn't make me a bad person or a person who doesn't like animals. It makes me normal.

The breeder I know has free range yorkies and chihuahuas. He's got about 5 acres fenced and there's a culvert with a cattle gap for cars to drive in (little dogs can't cross it). You've never seen anything as funny as itsy teensy little dogs running in a pack! They all have kennels outside and beds in the house, of course, (mommas live in the utility room or the old country walk in pantry - the size of some bedrooms), but they roam free outside. His girls and boys live good lives interupted every couple of years by babies.

 

[jrmasm]

I know someone who breeds chihuahuas and yorkies and yes, he does work with one single pet store. The owner of the pet store sells his puppies, along with the puppies of about 2 other breeders. If someone asks, she will call the breeder and let them go visit the breeder, but the monies and the headaches all go thru HER, and she is the one who tells people NO if she thinks they would abuse/neglect a dog. For those services, these reputable breeders are happy to give her a cut of the profits. There are some real nut jobs out there who want dogs or don't want to pay for a dog etc.

IMO that is not a reputable breeder.

 

[Jynohn]

IMO that is not a reputable breeder.

I agree. A reputable breeder carefully screens families (will want to meet them or at least speak to them on the phone), will always take back or help rehome a dog they've bred if for some reason the new owner can no longer keep it, and will be available to answer any questions that come up for the dog's entire life. How is this breeder ensuring that his puppies don't end up in shelters or rescues? Are they all sold on limited registration with a spay/neuter agreement, or can anyone buy a puppy with full registration and eventually breed it? How does he help new owners when they have questions about their puppies if they have no way of contacting him or even knowing who he is? No breeder I know would EVER broker their puppies through pet stores, in fact that's one of the first rules of our breed club.

 

[mykidsand_i]

There is different ways to sell dogs and cats at an animal store. Just because they are SOLD there, doesn't mean they are KEPT there. There is a big difference. In our town we have a pet store AND a humane society. Both work in very similar ways. The pet store posts pictures and prices of dogs and cats. It also states that if a person would like to BUY ONE, they must be matched properly and meet with the breeder to make sure they are ready for the animal. Once they spend a certain amount of time with their animal, the animal is spayed by the pet store that is also a vets clinic, THEN, the owner picks it up from and pays for it there.

The humane society here doesn't have room to house most of their dogs, so they have volunteers that are 'foster homes' for them. All of the volunteers have actually been to a 'dog care' training program and screened before they are able to care for any animal from the humane society. When someone comes to get a dog, they are given pictures, the cost for spay/nutering them and there is a time arranged at the humane society to come spend time with the dog (it's a set amount of time) before the animal can be brought home.

The animal shelter that I visited several months back with my brother in law made me sick! It was worse off than a store that sells them! They picked up the animals from people who didn't want them or off of the street...Jammed them in cages that were too small for them and didn't have enough people working there to care for them all properly...So, it's not just the stores that are bad. Sometimes there are places that only allow people to come and look at their dogs and cats at certain times of the day and certain days of the week, because the other days, they are under staffed and the animals are in poor conditions.

It doesn't matter WHERE a person goes, no one ever knows for sure where that animal came from, how it gets treated when you aren't watching...

The more I hear about PETA, the more it makes me sick. I've started to hate the organization...People for ETHICAL TREATMENT of Animals- YEAH RIGHT. Some of their practices are ALL FOR THE UNETHICAL treatment of other people and human beings who have MORE rights than an animal should!

 

[C.Ann]

As others have said, not all pet stores get their animals from puppy mills - and if PETA is involved in any way, shape, or form, I would be inclined to totally disregard any of their comments.. What I'm sure started out to be a "good" thing has now become an organization that is totally out of control and "inhumane" in some of their own actions and comments..

 

[aduck126]

PETA has a good message they just marginalize their efforts by all of their over the top antics. The message is good, animal rights are important, but PETA just goes about it all the wrong way. There is a huge problem with puppy mills, factory farming, animal testing and a number of other things but these problems are ignored and laughed at by the majority because of PETA.

 

[PaulaSB12]

PETA has a good message they just marginalize their efforts by all of their over the top antics. The message is good, animal rights are important, but PETA just goes about it all the wrong way. There is a huge problem with puppy mills, factory farming, animal testing and a number of other things but these problems are ignored and laughed at by the majority because of PETA.

PETA want all domesticated animals to be killed how is that a good message?

 

[DrivnMeUpTheWall-E]

PETA want all domesticated animals to be killed how is that a good message?

Where is this coming from?

 

[princessmom29]

Where is this coming from?

Some of the PETA literature I have read says that no animal should ever be domesticated for any reason and that the humane thing to do for domesticated pets would be to kill them because they are being tortured by being forced to live "in captivity".

 

[sunnyday123]

They are a bunch of nuts. They also don't believe in "no kill" shelters, or crating dogs and or puppies. Ever. Dog shows are inhumane.

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

 

[DrivnMeUpTheWall-E]

I have never seen literature from PETA advocating the death of a current living being for any cause. They might say they don't believe in domestication of animals - that doesn't mean they want to kill the ones that are already alive.
I sometimes have a problem no-kill shelters, too. After having worked in a kill shelter, and having to handle the income of twice the animals because the no-kill shelter down the street was full and turning animals away, I understand. With the problems faced in pet overpopulation right now, this country is not ready for no kill shelters. The problem is too great - there are just too many animals. Until the vast numbers of homeless animals is under control, no-kill shelters are simply impractical in a lot of cities.

 

[Jynohn]

http://petakillsanimals.com

 

[DrivnMeUpTheWall-E]

There is no reports on the health of those animals that needed to be put down.
Do you honestly think that a not-for-profit organization that stands for the prevention of cruelty for animals would perpousfully kill healthy animals? Working for the prevention of pet overpopulation is a losing battle. Sometimes, the best choice for the animal is euthanasia. We can't scorn the people who have to make this decision. It is not an easy decision to make - for anyone.

 

[princessmom29]

There is no reports on the health of those animals that needed to be put down.
Do you honestly think that a not-for-profit organization that stands for the prevention of cruelty for animals would perpousfully kill healthy animals? Working for the prevention of pet overpopulation is a losing battle. Sometimes, the best choice for the animal is euthanasia. We can't scorn the people who have to make this decision. It is not an easy decision to make - for anyone.

yes, I do. Take emotion out of the equation and just look at the numbers. Look at the stats for other shelters in similar metro areas. They are not putting down nearly as many animals. Unless PETA is the just somehow incredibly unlucky there is no way that only 8 out of over 2000 pets brought in were in adoptable condition. I mean really, you can only find homes for 8 pets in a year? Doesn't seem realistic to me that so many animals were in such poor condition that there was no way they could be salvaged.