PETA...hmmmm.

[mykidsand_i]

Ok, some local PETA people are making a stink about our 'mall' animal store that sells dogs, cats, rabbits. They are kind of contradicting themselves.

"every animal deserves a good home"...yes, I agree. I like animals, we don't own one, but I like them.

then, they go on to say "don't buy animals from the mall stores, or from big stores selling animals, because they are in-humanely bred"...

I UNDERSTAND their way of thinking...I get it. They don't want animals to be 'baby making machienes' as they live in an unkept area. I get it.

There are THOUSANDS of animals getting sold in these places. And if EVERY ANIMAL that is born deserves a good home, where is the fine line drawn between animals from humane society type places to the animals that are bred to sell? They are still animals.

I get that they don't want people to support these poor breeders, but the babies are still alive, they are still animals. Yes, if we were to ever get an animal, it would be from a humane society or animal shelter...but a lot of people buy animals from large stores/mall stores/inhumane breeders.

I don't support inhumane breeding- but just because we stop buying these animals, that doesn't help THOSE animals. Those animals will just get mis-treated even more than they already have. There is a circle- because if Peta has it's way fully, animals wil still being treated in-humanely, because if those breeding parents don't sell their baby's they are put to an in-humane death...

I know their plan is to fully get RID of the in-humane breeders, but that's a bit un-realistic, because to get rid of the mall shops, many many many thousands of animals will surely be put to death (not the right way either!!!!)

I am not taking sides on this issue...I see both sides. I think it's wrong to breed animals in poor conditions, in-humanely. BUT, i also don't know what PETA thinks...do they WANT these breeding animals to be killed because of their protests and desire to stop those types of breeding?

Like I said, I am not taking sides- I just don't understand what they want. They say "treat ALL animals well..." how is not getting these animals out of little cages at the mall not helping them? Can Anyone help me understand what their plan is?

 

[Pakey]

As you said, there is a circle and the circle has to be broken somewhere. The only logical place is to put the pet stores out of business. The only way to do that is to stop the revenue feed. Not all animals would be saved but in the big picture, it would stop the years and years of future abuse.

 

[Heidict]

I won't buy an animal at a pet store because they come out of puppy mills. It is horrible what they do to them and buying an animal there is supporting that practice. The buyer may not be doing it intentionally, but they are supporting it nonetheless.

If you buy one, then they will just replace it with another one that has come from the same place (puppy mills). The only way to cut into it is to shut down pet stores so that they are not there needing a supply. It would damage the puppy mills financially.


What would happen to the animals already in the pet store if it were to get shut down? I'm sure they would be sent to the humane society or some such place.

 

[MzDiz]

It's about making the selling of animals in pet shops not profitable. If nobody bought them there, they WOULD stop breeding them. The cycle has to be broken somehow.

A lot of pet shops are now working in conjunction with local shelters to bring animals in for adoption, which is wonderful in my opinion.

 

[moburg]

PETA should be ignored, ridiculed or simply laughed at. End of story. They are hypocrites of the highest order and deserve not one second of thought. They would much rather see those animals euthanized than to be adopted or *gasp* sold to a loving family.

 

[robinb]

Like I said, I am not taking sides- I just don't understand what they want. They say "treat ALL animals well..." how is not getting these animals out of little cages at the mall not helping them? Can Anyone help me understand what their plan is?

I want to preface this by saying that I think PETA stands for "People Eating Tasty Animals" ... even though my DD is a vegetarian.

I think the idea is that if you buy an animal from a pet store that purchases their animals from puppy/kitten/bunny mills then you are actually supporting the animal breeding mills. If the pet store did not sell animals successfully they would not buy them from the mills for resale. There is a two-pronged approach to shutting down the breeding factories: 1. making it more difficult to run their businesses in an inhumane way and 2. removing the demand for their product. By protesting at the mall PETA is attempting to lower the demand.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

PETA should be ignored, ridiculed or simply laughed at. End of story...

 

[Heidict]

PETA should be ignored, ridiculed or simply laughed at. End of story. They are hypocrites of the highest order and deserve not one second of thought. They would much rather see those animals euthanized than to be adopted or *gasp* sold to a loving family.

Normally I am anti-PETA. I agree with you in that they are hypocrites and should just be laughed at. Most of what they say and do is pathetic and counter-productive.

In this though, I actually agree with them. Allowing pet stores to remain operational without any oversight into how they obtain their stock is tantamount to supporting these disgusting and cruel breeding places.

 

[jrmasm]

Normally I am anti-PETA. I agree with you in that they are hypocrites and should just be laughed at. Most of what they say and do is pathetic and counter-productive.

In this though, I actually agree with them. Allowing pet stores to remain operational without any oversight into how they obtain their stock is tantamount to supporting these disgusting and cruel breeding places.

I agree with every word you wrote.

If you are considering a puppy from a pet store remember this, you maybe 'saving' that dog but you are also perpetuating the problem.

 

[MzDiz]

I want to preface this by saying that I think PETA stands for "People Eating Tasty Animals" ... even though my DD is a vegetarian.

How profound.

PETA should be ignored, ridiculed or simply laughed at. End of story. They are hypocrites of the highest order and deserve not one second of thought. They would much rather see those animals euthanized than to be adopted or *gasp* sold to a loving family.

That's ridiculous, plain and simple. They have done a lot to bring many cases of cruelty to light that would otherwise go unnoticed. I will admit that they go completely overboard sometimes, which is why I think people are either going to love them or hate them. I equate PETA with the people that protest outside of abortion clinics - if you agree with their cause, their practices don't seem so insane.

 

[princessmom29]

How profound.



That's ridiculous, plain and simple. They have done a lot to bring many cases of cruelty to light that would otherwise go unnoticed. I will admit that they go completely overboard sometimes, which is why I think people are either going to love them or hate them. I equate PETA with the people that protest outside of abortion clinics - if you agree with their cause, their practices don't seem so insane.

I think both are a horrible way to gety any point across and end un alienating more people than they reach. PETA is just plain ridiculous. I am with the Scottish school children who pelted PETA protesters dressed as cows outside their school with milk cartons for protesting serving milk to school children. Even the 5 year olds knew it was insane.

 

[MzDiz]

I think both are a horrible way to gety any point across and end un alienating more people than they reach. PETA is just plain ridiculous. I am with the Scottish school children who pelted PETA protesters dressed as cows outside their school with milk cartons for protesting serving milk to school children. Even the 5 year olds knew it was insane.

I have a slightly different view on things like that, so I guess it makes me more open to their M.O. My kids don't drink milk, but that's another discussion. You're right though, protesting outside of a school full of young kids is just wrong.

 

[DSNY4ever]

It's about making the selling of animals in pet shops not profitable. If nobody bought them there, they WOULD stop breeding them. The cycle has to be broken somehow.

A lot of pet shops are now working in conjunction with local shelters to bring animals in for adoption, which is wonderful in my opinion.

I agree. Whether you like PETA or not (I don't care to join in that debate) - the above is what should be considered.

 

[mking624]

I won't buy an animal at a pet store because they come out of puppy mills. It is horrible what they do to them and buying an animal there is supporting that practice. The buyer may not be doing it intentionally, but they are supporting it nonetheless.

If you buy one, then they will just replace it with another one that has come from the same place (puppy mills). The only way to cut into it is to shut down pet stores so that they are not there needing a supply. It would damage the puppy mills financially.


What would happen to the animals already in the pet store if it were to get shut down? I'm sure they would be sent to the humane society or some such place.

Just a note, not all pet stores get their animals from puppy mills. I worked for the Kentucky Humane Society for a while and we had locations at a local pet store chain. This chain was VERY particular in making sure the animals came only from shelters. Many of the branches worked with the Kentucky Humane Society, other branches worked with other shelters/rescues. Not one of their animals came from a puppy mill (or equivalent). The stores just reserved space for the shelters/rescues for their adoption centers. The stores also did not take in any money from the adoptions.

I realize this is not a common scenario, but it's definitely important to find out where the animals come from before assuming that all pet store animals come from a mill of some sort.

 

[robinb]

I realize this is not a common scenario, but it's definitely important to find out where the animals come from before assuming that all pet store animals come from a mill of some sort.

A pet store local to me gets their kittens, rodents and many of their fish from local non-mill breeders. I *still* won't buy animals from them but I don't boycott them either.

 

[mking624]

A pet store local to me gets their kittens, rodents and many of their fish from local non-mill breeders. I *still* won't buy animals from them but I don't boycott them either.

I'm kinda with you on this. Personally, I'd rather get my animals from a shelter rather than a breeder. There are plenty of animals already available without having to breed more of them, even if the breeder is reputable. That's why I was impressed with the chain our adoption center was in. The owner only wanted to work with shelters and rescues.

 

[merryweather20]

That's ridiculous, plain and simple. They have done a lot to bring many cases of cruelty to light that would otherwise go unnoticed. I will admit that they go completely overboard sometimes, which is why I think people are either going to love them or hate them. I equate PETA with the people that protest outside of abortion clinics - if you agree with their cause, their practices don't seem so insane.

I disagree with the previous poster. They shouldn't be rediculed they should be stopped.

I disagree with you as well. They don't bring cases of cruelty to light, they commit cruelty themselves.

http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cg...acility&form=fac_select&fac_num=157&year=2007

Note reclaimed by owner includes animals brough in for spay and neuter clinics who were never in their custody, so they killed virtually every dog and cat they brought into the facility.

Contrast this with legitimate shelters in the area who adopt out 60 and 65% of their animals. They have no interest in saving animals, only in chasing celebrities.

 

[bumbershoot]

As you said, there is a circle and the circle has to be broken somewhere. The only logical place is to put the pet stores out of business. The only way to do that is to stop the revenue feed. Not all animals would be saved but in the big picture, it would stop the years and years of future abuse.

Absolutely one hundred percent.



And when people focus on "what about THESE dogs that exist now", they give NO solutions to the overall problem. To end the problem, changes have to be made, and no, not all dogs will find good homes, not all of them in this current generation or two will have a happy story. But they don't really have happy stories now, their mothers have awful miserable horrible stories, and the future puppy mothers and fathers will have awful miserable horrible stories...something has to change, and to get stuck on "but what about the current puppies" does nothing to solve anything.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I have a slightly different view on things like that, so I guess it makes me more open to their M.O. My kids don't drink milk, but that's another discussion. You're right though, protesting outside of a school full of young kids is just wrong.

In the year 2009 Peta took in over 2000 animals, they rehomed 8 and killed the rest they are hypocrites and nothing else if they have their way every pet, farm animal and zoo animal would be dead.

http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html

After more than 100 dead dogs were dumped in a trash dumpster over four weeks, police in Ahoskie, N.C., kept an eye on the trash receptacle behind a supermarket. Sure enough, a van drove up and officers watched the occupants throw in heavy plastic bags. They detained the two people in the van and found 18 dead dogs in plastic bags in the dumpster, including puppies; 13 more dead dogs were still in the van. Police say the van is registered to the headquarters of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and the two occupants, Andrew B. Cook, 24, and Adria Joy Hinkle, 27, identified themselves as PETA employees. An autopsy performed on one of the dogs found it was healthy before it was killed. Police say PETA has been picking up the animals -- alive -- from North Carolina animal shelters, promising to find them good homes. Cook and Hinkle have been charged with 62 felony counts of animal cruelty. In response to the arrests PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said it's against the group's policy for employees to dump animals in the trash, but "that for some animals in North Carolina, there is no kinder option than euthanasia." (Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald) ...Oops, my mistake: that's "Playing God" Defined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

 

[Barbossa]

That's ridiculous, plain and simple. They have done a lot to bring many cases of cruelty to light that would otherwise go unnoticed. I will admit that they go completely overboard sometimes, which is why I think people are either going to love them or hate them. I equate PETA with the people that protest outside of abortion clinics - if you agree with their cause, their practices don't seem so insane.

I think PETA does more harm to animals than good. They're an extremist group and they polarize people's opinions on animal rights. My own views on animal rights have soured because of these nutjobs, and I'm sure I'm not alone.