Pet peeves I saw today at Magic Kingdom

goofyernmost said:
Even though this thread is long it's kind of deceptive. If you look at it closely it is the same stuff repeated over and over. I agree that a lot of those things mentioned are annoying but they are only seconds in my lifetime and they not only do not cause any long range angst for me but they pretty much pass through me instantly. We are all human, we all do things either accidentally or on purpose, that annoy others. I can't speak for others here but my life goes on and I do not carry it with me. I say that because even though I am sure one or more of the mentioned things have happened in my presence, I cannot truthfully say that I remember any specific incident at this time. I'm to busy enjoying myself to let a few self centered people ruin it for me.

I guess it all depends. We travel a lot (vacation not business) and we are frequent visitors to WDW. I think the more you travel, the more things bother you. While some things can be easily overlooked like the guy that can't make up his mind on the food line, or the people that refuse to adhere to dress codes, it's the in your face stuff that really bothers me- the ill regard for others. The public diaper changes, the smoking in non designated areas, the out of control kids in an expensive upscale restaurant. Rules change depending on where you go. When in Vegas do I like the guy that sits right next to me smoking a stinking cigar after I just came from a 100.00 hairstyling and a rose petal bath....no, but I cannot say anything because smoking is permitted and he has every right to do so. I politely get up and leave. If someone did that in a WDW restaurant I would say something. That's where respecting others comes in....the rules are for everyone, boorish behavior is unacceptable. It does not ruin my trip and I don't spend my time obsessing about it but I do see the same rude behavior over and over. Some is funny and serves for great entertainment ie: the woman who goes to the club lounge in a robe and slippers like she's at home. Some is just down right gross ie: the man across the aisle from me on a 6 hr flight who picked at a corn on his foot and ate it the entire flight.....yeah those things kinda stick in your head for a while.
 
birdiesunshine said:
Parents that let their 4 year old push the infant stroller right into the back of your legs then smile at you thinking how cute their 4 year old is.


That happened to me so many times on our last trip. Why the parents think their child can handle that in a crowded theme park is beyond me.
 
goofie4goofy said:
...hello.....it's CRAP!

yep can't argue with that logic

maxiesmom said:
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The only thing I am learning from this thread is that I will tick someone off at Disney. :rotfl2: Everyone seems to have a list of grieviences a mile long! And to that end I will do what I believe to be polite and right and not worry about it! So if in October you see a 30something woman without a wheelchair hobble out of the handicap stall (bad knees, love the bars to hang on to) and go meet up with her family who is saving a table, waiting for b-i-l to bring the eats:that will be me!!!
Why do some of you go to Disney if it causes you such pain? [confused3/QUOTE]

but where else can you pay so much to get so annoyed ???:rotfl2:( sorry if i messed up your quote maxiemom, my computer is acting weird) and i'll carry on your tradition in NOvember when we go...just warning anyone since i will not be wearing lime green crocs although my + for the 30yrs would be an additional 20:rotfl2: :rotfl2:
 

waltfan1957 said:
wonder why they call it a handicapped stall then? this kind of attitude is precisely why handicapped people have such a hard time of it and no I am not handicapped


The actual name for the facility in question is a "handicap accessible restroom/stall": parking spaces on the other hand are called "handicap parking spaces".

A simple etymology of the word accessible lets us know with clarity how the facility is designed so persons with disabilities may ALSO have acess to this particular place so they may not be excluded.
All public places are to provide handicap access; does this mean I can no longer go to these places because they are handicap accessible, No!

Parking spaces are not listed as "accessible" with perfect intention; the spaces are provided only for those with a disability. As it should be, these parking spaces are not for everyone and the phrasing that describes them reflects this.

I am a large man (6'1" 320 # very broad shoulders). I often have a hard time in regular stalls because they are only 32 - 34" wide. My shoulders barely fit in the stall. Handicap accessible stalls provide me the room I need, and no, I do not feel guilty if I use the stall. Would I use the stall if someone with a wheelchair was in the restroom too......of course not, I would wait. The restroom is not "reserved" for patrons in wheelchairs; it is provided as law requires, so these people can also be a part of the public around them. As it should be! :thumbsup2
 
Marseeya said:
So, in other words, if he's sitting next to me in a restaurant and his conversation with his companion is annoying me and interrupting my quiet meal, I can feel perfectly free to go "jam" a sock in his mouth? :teeth:

:scratchin That sounds like fun! :rotfl2:
Here Here!

I recently went to WDW I took my cell phone..mainly used in the am at the hotel in my room..However I took it to the park...kept it turned off..I would however once or twice check messages...my friend that was with me was also with her mom and dad. Her Dad was having his dialysis..3 times during our visit and we would just check to see that everything went ok and to see if he felt like meeting up later. My conversations total for the week were 17 minutes. The use of a jammer is sophmoric and immature..hope no one is dealing with a real emergency..or a CM off to get paramedics and your BIL jams their conversation..shame on him and you for supporting such behavior.
 
kaytieeldr said:
Um, but... Spaceship Earth IS in Epcot, isn't it? :umbrella:



Ummm....I meant that I have actually HEARD someone say that Spaceship Earth IS Epcot...not IN Epcot.... :confused3
 
disneyjunkie said:
(from someone elses site) Please don't clean your armpits and bottoms in public bathrooms. :wizard:

Where else would they have me clean my bottom???

I'm kidding of course, I just couldn't resist! :)
 
Tinker*Shell*Bell said:
disneyjunkie said:
Please don't clean your armpits and bottoms in public bathrooms. :wizard:
QUOTE]

Where else would you have me clean my bottom???

I'm kidding of course, I just couldn't resist! :)

:rotfl2:
very funny

I will say this .. I do give up my seat on WDW transpertation for people holding little ones, I would feel guilty if i didn't.

My Biggest Pet Peeve is meeting the characters....This is my favorite thing to do in WDW..I love taking pictures of the characters and getting in the picture. I know its suppose to be for the little ones but I don't care and I am quick about it.I have actually had people cut in front of us, I 've had children and some adults run into my photos. it irritates me, however i do quickly get over it..except for this one time..I was getting a great picture of Minnie,Mickey and pluto together..how often does this happen? They were posing for me and someone was letting their child run in and out of the picture...I never got the picture...... Oh well!
 
People who go to the front of an outside show and put their kid on their shoulders so they can see better. What about all the people behind them who not CAN'T see.

I may be in my 50's, but when I have been sitting on the curb for a half hour or longer waiting to watch a parade and someone says to let their kid in front of me because they are a kid, I tell them that I am a kid too and I got here first. (that does sound like a spoiled brat kid, doesn't it?) If I had let some family do that to me the one time, I would never have gotten the close up picture I got of Tigger when he came up to me. I enjoy Disney as much as the next KID and will be going September for DH and my 3rd no kids trip (unless you count the 2 of us). The first 5 times we went our DS went with us. The last time we took him (at 16) he took of in the parks by himself and we realized how much fun it was to be on our own, too. (Told you we were just BIG KIDS at heart)

As for cell phones, I use mine to find my DH who I usually lose when he stops to take a picture and doesn't let me know first. I panic after about 5 minutes when I can't find him in the crowd. The pbone lets me find out where he's at. It also lets me keep in touch with family at home. When we were down after New Year 2005, DS called just as the fireworks were starting at MK. I moved to the back of the crowd to answer the phone so as not to disturb anyone. I came back to DH and watched the fireworks through tears as I told DH that DS had just told me that our cat, who had been sick for a few months, had just died in DS arms. The fireworks were a fitting tribute to her life and the happiness she had brought us during the years we had her. Without the cell phone DS and DD at home would have had to handle everything without support from us. We were all devistated by the loss, but the cell phone kept us in contact during a very emotional time.
 
One of my other pet peeves is when those kids wear those roller skate sneakers to the parks and pop the wheels out of them and skate by everyone. I got rammed into by a kid coming out of a bathroom at MGM when he decided it would be good to use his wheels in the crowded area.
 
pet peeve

A pet peeve is a minor annoyance that can instill extreme frustration in an individual. Typically each person has several pet peeves that aggravate them more than the average person. Another person may not react as negatively or at all to the same circumstance.

The term originated from the word "peeve". A "peeve," meaning something that is particularly irritating or annoying, is a relatively recent word. Its first printed usage was in 1911. The term is derived, however, from a 14th-century word -- "peevish," meaning ornery or ill-tempered.

The modified term "pet peeve," a uniquely personal irritant, first appeared in print in 1919.

Pet peeves are typically of common occurrences and a person may encounter their pet peeve up to several times a day. An example of this would be someone not using their turn signals while driving. Many people do not use their turn signals, and it does not bother some drivers that people do not. People that have a pet peeve of someone not using their turn signals would become very agitated and upset when they witness the practice. Many pet peeves associated with driving can result in road rage, where the person who has been peeved seeks some sort of retribution for the action.

Often a pet peeve will seem illogical to others. For example a supervisor may have a pet peeve about people leaving the lid on the copier up and get very upset. That same supervisor may witness employees coming into work late, and not react as they did with the copier.

To give a better picture of what a pet peeve is, below is a listing of some pet peeves.




This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. Revisions and additions are welcome.

Driving
Not using a turn signal when making a turn.
Signalling a turn too far ahead of time, then bypassing three or four possible turns.
Not using a turn signal when changing lanes.
Driving in the left hand lane slower than the traffic moving in the right hand lane. (The opposite in England, India, etc.)
Lingering unnecessarily in the (right) exit lane on the highway, not yielding to incoming vehicles.
Not coming to a complete stop at stop signs.
Drivers who make illegal turns at intersections.
Driving in a middle turn lane of a five lane road.
Following too close.
Not driving with headlights on at dusk, at night, or in the rain.
Waiting at a stop light with too much space between them and the car in front of them, or the stop line.
When there are two or more turn lanes, all of the cars stacking in just one of the lanes.
When there are two or more straight through lanes, all of the cars stacking in just one of the lanes.
People leaving their turn signal on too long.
Retreads.
U-turns.
Drivers who don't know how to properly use high beam headlights.
Drivers who speed from behind even if you've exceeded legal speed limit.
Drivers who talk on cell phones, especially when there is legislation forbidding it (New York, Germany, Russia, Japan, UK...)
Drivers who cut in a long line at the last minute for their exit when most drivers wait patiently their turn.
Drivers who throw trash out the window of their vehicle.
Drivers oblivious of speed zones for schools and construction zones.
Drivers that don't stop behind a school bus when it is picking up or dropping off children and the flashing lights are on the bus.
Drivers that want to share the fact that they have a loud radio in their vehicle.
Drivers that double park in a crowded parking lot.
Drivers that use handicapped parking when they shouldn't.
Motorcycle drivers that zoom past you like you were standing still.
Motorcycle drivers that cut between vehicles in high traffic (between lanes).
Drivers who do not understand how two lanes become one. It goes left, right, left, right. If you are in the existing lane, you do not have the right of way, and you are not being nice by letting several people in in front of you. People not from New York do not seem to understand this rule.

Smoking
People throwing cigarette butts on the ground.
People throwing cigarette butts out of car windows.
People smoking around the entrance of a no smoking building so non-smokers have to walk through the smoke.
Smoker breath.

Smoke odor on clothes.
Smoke odor in bars/nightclubs/restaurants.
Cigarettes on the ground next to ashtrays.
People who smoke when they have small children.
People who smoke while they are pregnant.
People who smoke while pumping gasoline.
People who smoke while driving.
Increased health insurance rates for non-smokers.
People who object to smoking bans because they think their rights are violated.
People that smoke outside and get ashes all over the clothes of those around them.

Significant other (man)
Leaving the toilet seat up after using the bathroom.
Stinking up the bathroom after a bowel movement and not using the air freshener.
Having a five o'clock shadow/beard/mustache.
Leaving hair messy and uncombed.
Wearing their clothes 2-3 sizes too big and hanging off their body.
Nostril hairs that need to be clipped.
Grabbing or checking themselves.

Significant other (woman)
Leaving cosmetics all over the bathroom sink.
Spending excessive time trying on various outfits in an attempt to achieve fashion perfection.
Hair on the toilet and in the shower.
Hugging with too much make-up, which leaves some make-up on the other person's clothing.
Kissing with lipstick, which leaves lipstick marks on the recipient's face.
Lipstick stain on a glass.
Not eating at a restaurant when you're really hungry.
Girls who act like they are royalty

Workplace
People who gossip more than work.
People who schedule meetings first thing in the morning.
People who use the internet as opposed to working.
People who have a really high salary and don't earn it.
People who have a title such as Director, Vice President, President, CEO, who didn't earn it and don't deserve it.
People who use the work phone more than their home phones for social calls.
People who come in late and leave early.
People who say meaningless things in an attempt to make themselves look observant or intelligent.
People that talk loudly in libraries.
People that bring their screaming babies to libraries.

Television
Breaking into a television program to give a thunderstorm warning.
Wasting five seconds at the beginning of the break to tell you that the program is being interrupted for a weather advisory.
Wasting five seconds at the end of the break to tell you that you will now be returned to the original programming.
After each commercial break, announcing a content warning before a program resumes.
Dubbing or deleting content of a TV movie to make it more "family friendly".
Frequent Emergency Broadcast System tests
Commercials that are so irritating they cause extreme, uncontrollable anger and the desire to strangle someone.
Distractive promos taking up the bottom of the screen.
Rating icons after every commercial break.
Reality programming and/or commercials of reality programming.
Sudden and unexpected images of Paris Hilton onscreen.
When the television channels interrupt a commercial break to tell you they will we return to their program after a few short messages.

Customer service
Cashier that does not know how to use the register.
Cashier that does not know that the $2 bill is legal.
People who do not understand the concepts of "dozen" and "half-dozen"
Customer service representatives who fail to carefully read your question and e-mail you the answer to a different question
Customer service representatives who call you daily to ask the same questions as if they are telemarketers.
Customer service representatives with accents that you can't understand, and who are impatient with you trying to understand their broken English.
Customer service automated call routing system that asks for your account information, passwords, mother's maiden name, etc...only to be asked for that information again when you reach a live person.
Cashiers who don't know what Gold Dollars are and will not accept them.

Telemarketing
Calling during dinner.
Recorded messages.
Surveys.
Sales pitches for things you don't need. (Vinyl siding when you live in an apartment)
Any telemarketer call.
Telemarketers that just hang up when you yell at them.
People who think telemarketers deserve to be yelled at for doing their job.
Calls that are a recorded message telling you to "Please hold for an important message."
Telling a 13 year old that they've been preapproved for a credit card.
Telemarketers who call ON SUNDAY!!! DONT U DARE!
If u are a telemarketer u deserved to be YELLED at, find a new job!... If people WANT or NEED something from YOUR COMPANY they will contact YOU!

Neighbors
Mowing their lawn too early.
Mowing their lawn too late.
Not mowing their lawn often enough.
Mowing their lawn too short.
Letting their dog bark outside.
Letting their dog run loose.
Letting their dog defecate in your yard.
Letting their dog mark your property as its territory.
Leaving their junk outside.
Parking vehicles on the grass.
Parking in front of your house when their house has no car in front.
Not parking in their garage because they have too much stuff stored in the garage.
Storing a motor home at their house.
Storing a boat at their house.
Parking anything that blocks the sidewalk.
Not maintaining their house or property.
Cutting down trees and limbs that previously blocked the view of their poorly maintained property or that of another neighbor's.
Draining their pool so chlorine gets on your property.
Playing music too loud.
Having too many parties.
Revving the engine of their Harley-Davidson.
Revving the engine of their Hot Rod.
Not respecting property lines.
Leaving holiday decorations out too long.
Putting holiday decorations out too early.
Not using curtains or blinds.
Staring at you when you are outside.
Staring at you when you are inside.
Being in a rock band that practices loudly at all hours.
Telling you what you should do on your property.

Mobile phones (cell phones)
Everything about them.
People who talk too loudly on the phone.
People who talk about things that should be kept private when other people are around.
People who use a hands-free headset in public, which makes it look as if they are talking to themselves, or to you.
People who consistently have to be using it, either by text messaging or talking.
People who change their cellphone ring in public, especially as they pass time on the train or bus with TOTAL disregard for everyone around them.
People who refuse to get a cellphone on principle, and then give out the cellphone number of the people they will be with instead.
People who play games on their phone in public with the volume on

Grammar and Punctuation
People who use "whom" as a fancy form of "who" without regard to the fact that it's an object and not a subject.
Similarly, people who say, "between you and I," instead of "between you and me", in an attempt to sound smart.
People who leave a space between the end of their sentence and one or more exclamation marks !!!
People who say "is you" as opposed to "are you" when asking a question.
People who ask a question, but have actually made a statement ie. "Everything's in the bag?"
People who cannot pronounce a word properly, but continue to use the word.
People who type and don't use any commas or periods so their paragraph ends up being a big run-on sentence.
People who say "I did good," instead of "I did well."
People who go comma-crazy.
People who say "atomic" when they mean "nuclear", e.g., "atom bomb", "atomic energy", and so on.
People who think that hydrogen bombs were dropped on Japan.
People who type the word "you" like "u", "are", like "r", "to" like "2", "before" as "b4", "great" as "gr8" and so on.
People who spell words incorrectly, such as "receive" as "recieve" or "weird" as "wierd."
People who use apostrophes incorrectly. i.e., 1950's, CD's, "it's" instead of "its" and vice versa.
People who, after I use a big word during a conversation with them, use the same word shortly afterwards, as if they always knew the word, but do not use it in the correct context. This especially bugs me if I already know the person has a limited vocabulary and should have no reason to be using one of mine in a sentence.
People who use adjectives where they should use adverbs (and vice versa): "He walks slow," "I feel badly."
People who mix up "i.e." and "e.g.": "a dog, i.e. Rover."
People who use "myself" and "yourself" inappropriately: "Fine, how 'bout yourself?"
The phrase "Pet Peeve" to begin with.

Computers
Getting chainmails
Smears on the monitor
When Windows XP indicates that any system restore may be undone but it turns out that the restore having been done from safe mode, it didn't back it up first.
People who "broke," "lost," or can't "download" the Internet.
Users who think they're being tech savvy by always pressing CTRL + ALT + DEL when they get in trouble because they saw someone else doing it.
People who don't know how to type and "poke" the keys.
Chatspeak/Netspeak
People who think using the computer is "difficult" when confronted with a pop-up message of any sort.
Forum users that make frequent typos and won't take 5 seconds to paste it into a word processor and do a spell check.

Relationships
People who always complain about being cold.
People who are picky about food.
People who walk slow.
People who cannot decide on what to eat.
People who refer to themselves in the third person.
People who penny pinch to the extreme.
People who whine after losing $20 or less at a casino.
People who try too hard to be different.
People who try too hard to be friendly.

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20/20 had a show a few months ago about how rude our society has become. Cell phone usage was a major portion of the show. I think our society has become rude, but that is my opinion. Gosh, I feel rude just typing it. :blush: I always try to remember that rude people take vacations just like us nice people. I think the rudeness can get out of hand with some people because they are on vacation and everything is all about them and their fun. I'm not the most articulate so I hope I said that right.

Here's my pet peeve: Parents who let their children destroy the parks. We have seen children destroying flower beds with toy swords. :confused3 Who would let their kids wreck a beautiful flowerbed at Disney? The parents were sitting there laughing and thought it was cute. :furious:

On the topic of smoking: DH and I are ex-smokers. We always enjoyed the designated smoking areas, and we would get annoyed with those who felt they could smoke wherever they liked. We refer to the smoking areas as "Cigarrette Land."
 
We had our last ride ruined by a group of Japanese tourists who fired up the flashes at the kayak scene and kept shooting away until it was Christmas on Main Street. UGH!!! It ruined the experience...for nothing. I am quite sure that with the flash all they captured was fuzz...since those of us riding had the picture dim out with each picture. I couldn't believe the CM's in the control booth didn't make an announcement asking them to stop. Idiots.
 
Here are my personal top 10 pet peeves as a cast member:

1. Please listen when a CM is making a group announcement or speaking directly to you. There is actually useful information being provided that could help you and answer most of the questions you might have. We are people and not animatronics, although some people actually listen to the animatronics more!!

2. Guests stopping at the entrance and/or exits. You are not the only ones to be entering or exiting, please step to the side to figure out where you are going next, or deciding about lunch etc…

3. Guests that use “placeholders” in lines for attractions and character meets. You know, mom in one line - dad in the other and kids running between depending on whose line goes quicker. Some of those guidebooks suggest this, but it simply is not allowed and if a cast member sees it, you will be asked to go to the end of the line.

4. Dads, although it can sometimes be other family members as well, please stay in the line with your families and not come to the front of the line to wait. (This one is especially true in character meet & greet lines.) It doesn’t matter why you came to the front to wait; it clogs up the area and makes it too congested as this is also the exit.

5. Parents, heelies are a form of roller skate. Roller skates are not allowed in the park. Please do not let your child wear these to the park. Or if they do, please be aware that they are not allowed to roll on them.

6. GAC’s provide exactly what it says on the stamp on the front of the card. Please do not ask us to do something different. If the accommodation that you require is not covered on that card, please return to Guest Relations to have it changed. They are the only ones that can make the change.

7. Guests that want a photo of a character but do not feel like waiting in line, so they take a photo of whatever child/family is currently with the character. How weird is that?

8. Autograph books. Disney spends a lot of time making sure these characters behave just so, only to stick them at a front of a line doing nothing but sign books? What a waste of time and imagination.

9. Guests that go under ropes/chains, through closed doors or curtains, over fences or past closed gates. You know what these things mean in your life at home, why do you think it is different at WDW?

10. Last, but not least, as this is the most important one. Guests that get angry, aggressive and abusive with CM’s that are just trying to do their job by enforcing a rule or policy that was probably made for the guests own safety/well being/comfort in the first place.
 
I started to get stressed out when I read over and over one of the pet peeves which is people who don't move to the end of the row. We have a daughter who is visually impaired. We need to sit in the front (which we did) and in the middle or she does not have any shot at seeing the show. People kept yelling at us to move down. The first 50 or so times this happened we tried to explain but people rolled their eyes and made snorting noises. After the 50th time, we just took the blank stare, I don't understand English response. It was tiring to keep trying to explain to no avail and we don't want to constantly point out to our child that she is different and no ones gets it. The CM's were very good about it but it's not like they could keep it from happening. BTW, my daughter has glasses but otherwise you would not pick up that she is visually impaired by just looking at her.

I'm starting to get stressed just thinking about this for the trip in July. Last time,we went in the off-season. I can just imagine now. And our daughter's nine and at the "I don't want to stand out" stage. Yikes.

Just wanted to give you another view..........

HouTXMommy
Going to WDW - 07/06
 
dixipixi said:
Foulmouthed people. We've noticed this more and more on our last few trips. They just don't know the mistake they make when they choose to do this within earshot of DH. He WILL embarass them if they use foul language around us.

BTW, I don't mean normal cursing/ swearing. That doesn't bother us at all. I'm talking extremely vulgar and nasty stuff here. It's usually teens / college aged kids without parental supervision (guess they think it makes them look big or something :confused3 ).

There's just no need for a filthy mouth when you're around little kids.

well that doesn't quite make sense imho. When someone curses/swears they have a filthy mouth as well, and kids being VERY impressionable will pick that up just like that *snap*. Not the kind of souvenir you want to bring home is it? :confused3
 
I've had a good laugh reading these pet peeves. I do some part time work at a convenience store and see this behavior every day. From the person who walks around for 5 minutes without holding her head up straight because she is on the cell phone and doesn't want to hold the phone with her hands, to the person who has to dig for his money after I've rung up 20 items and told him the total price, to the person who stands at the front of the line and looks at the cigarette rack trying to decide what to buy. I've seen it all. Some of the behavior is because the person is very self centered and doesn't care about anyone else. Some of it is because of family or work obligations. For others, it is a financial issue. Anyway you look at it, just because someone goes to WDW doesn't mean they are going to change their behavior. If they do it at home, they'll do it at WDW. It's just that there are more people seeing it happen at WDW than there are at home.

BTW, to the people that go into convenience stores, or restaurants, or movie theatres, or any other place like that, and know what you want when you get to the counter, or have your money ready, even something as simple as holding the door open for someone, or saying please and thank you. You can take an average day and make it into a wonderful day for the person behind the counter. We do appreciate it when you do that. :)

Allen
 
Ok so far I have just read and not commented. I agree with almost all of the peeves on here but one of them I personally just don't worry about too much. The moving to the end of the row in a show, yeah it is inconsiderate and they are ignoring the CM's directions but when it comes down to it this is just a small pain in the bu**. The way I see it is in a movie theater people sit wherever they want and you have to climb over them to get to a seat and the shows at disneyland are kind of like that. It would be great if people would make space like they are supposed to but really it just involves stepping over some feet and then you have your seat.
Now I am not saying that the people annoyed by this are wrong, I just don't find it bad.
 














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