People with multiple reservations

[tarheelmjfan]

Just don't get the whole "have to be there at this place at this time on this day" thing. As I said, it's not about the food. Have a hard time thinking people go to Six Flags for a meal. Really have a hard time about that.

I don't see me going to another Six Flags period, so I don't really compare them to WDW. If I did, I would say there's no comparison between the food at SF verses WDW or Universal Orlando. Both Orlando parks have some very good to excellent restaurants that would still be considered a great restaurant anywhere. They also have some very well themed restaurants that people would love to be able to visit on any vacation. The avg. TS restaurants aren't something to obsess over getting an ADR, but they're still better than what you would get at SF. I agree some of WDW's CS options are comparable to SF, but fast food is pretty much where the comparisons end.

I totally understand why some people go to WDW for the attractions only. Some people live to eat & some eat to live. We've been so many times that food is as, if not more, important than the attractions. That's basically the way we vacation anywhere. We don't visit locations that lack in quality restaurants.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

As for the OP, I agree people shouldn't make more ADRs than they plan to keep. I also wouldn't book the same restaurant twice, when many people can't get in once, but that's me. Many people don't know they need to book ADRs 180 in advance & others can't book vacations that far out. Our opinion doesn't matter to those people though. Reading this thread you can see that people think their way of doing things is perfectly acceptable even though some of us may disagree. Some people will never admit their actions are self serving & they don't really care about another guests experience. I learned a long time ago on the DIS to just laugh & shake my head, when people post about doing things that I personally wouldn't do, then defend their decisions by saying it's perfectly fine, but doing (fill in the blank) would be wrong. IMO, the fact that you can get some people to agree with you doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do.

 

[TDC Nala]

For a lot of WDW guests, it most definitely is about the food. Or the character restaurants, which aren't patronized solely for the food. Six Flags is not a resort that one stays at for at least a week and has to decide where to eat. At Six Flags you grab a burger on the way to the next ride and when the day is over, you go home; at the most you spend a night at a nearby hotel.

 

[TiggerTrigger]

People can give you reasons...until they're blue in the face...but their reasons are nothing more than EXCUSES.

Most people have the scruples to know it's wrong, but they've concocted so many selfish reasons to justify it that they have even convinced themselves that it's OK. I'm impacted just as much by the weather...by changing personal preferences for the day...and so on. I just know it's wrong to hoard ADRs for the what if's and personal indecisiveness...that's what separates us from them. It's just horribly pathetic that some people have deluded themselves into believing their excuses are legitimate reasons to abuse the system.

 

[Disneylover99]

People can give you reasons...until they're blue in the face...but their reasons are nothing more than EXCUSES.

Most people have the scruples to know it's wrong, but they've concocted so many selfish reasons to justify it that they have even convinced themselves that it's OK. I'm impacted just as much by the weather...by changing personal preferences for the day...and so on. I just know it's wrong to hoard ADRs for the what if's and personal indecisiveness...that's what separates us from them. It's just horribly pathetic that some people have deluded themselves into believing their excuses are legitimate reasons to abuse the system.

Is it really so wrong to book two ADR's at just one restaurant at day 180 +10 for a two week trip and then cancel the one you won't use as soon as possible?

 

[wolf29]

Is it really so wrong to book two ADR's at just one restaurant at day 180 +10 for a two week trip and then cancel the one you won't use as soon as possible?

If someone else in the same window is forced to alter their plans because the ADR they wanted has been booked, then yes it is. There are a limited number of ADRs available to literally thousands of guests who are entering their 180 day window at the same time. In my opinion, booking more ADRs than you are going to utilize is simply wrong.

 

[JimmyV]

If someone else in the same window is forced to alter their plans because the ADR they wanted has been booked, then yes it is. There are a limited number of ADRs available to literally thousands of guests who are entering their 180 day window at the same time. In my opinion, booking more ADRs than you are going to utilize is simply wrong.

I have to disagree here. If a person has two options:
1) Make an ADR at California Grill for two consecutive days and then cancel one 45 days out thus guaranteeing them a table there; or
2) Wait until they are 45 days out only to find out that California Grill is booked solid,
then option 1 is the logical choice. Your point seems to be "since I know where I am going to eat 190 days out, everyone else should too." ADRs should be made 60 days out. But since they aren't, people are going to double book. It doesn't make them immoral or sinister. They are simply trying top maximize their vacation enjoyment. If you are in the same ADR window and make your ADRs 180+10 days out, same as your competition, chances are that their double-booking won't impact you at all.

 

[TiggerTrigger]

Is it really so wrong to book two ADR's at just one restaurant at day 180 +10 for a two week trip and then cancel the one you won't use as soon as possible?

If someone else in the same window is forced to alter their plans because the ADR they wanted has been booked, then yes it is. There are a limited number of ADRs available to literally thousands of guests who are entering their 180 day window at the same time. In my opinion, booking more ADRs than you are going to utilize is simply wrong.

Exactly wolf29!

Let's say Disneylover99 booked 2 BoG ADRs on day 180, but knows from the getgo that they only intend to use 1 of them. Due to the extreme popularity and finite # of ADRs, you very likely caused someone to miss out on an ADR for BoG. Sure, you'll go back in later and drop that extra one, but that's little consolation to the person who got the shaft on day 180 due to the hoarding ways of others. Sure, what you drop will likely be picked up by someone else who will surely be very happy to get it...but it's unfortunate the level of stalking we have to do for ADRs after day 180 b/c others think it's OK to hold onto extra. You may tell yourself that it's just 1 extra ADR, but that 1 extra ADR could mean the world to another family's vacation. Now multiply that and consider how damaging it is if everyone held just 1 extra ADR- ya know, based on your rationale. It's a mess! It's really no better than the people who cut in line and think...what is just 1 extra person going to do to the line?

 

[TiggerTrigger]

I have to disagree here. If a person has two options:
1) Make an ADR at California Grill for two consecutive days and then cancel one 45 days out thus guaranteeing them a table there; or
2) Wait until they are 45 days out only to find out that California Grill is booked solid,
then option 1 is the logical choice. Your point seems to be "since I know where I am going to eat 190 days out, everyone else should too." ADRs should be made 60 days out. But since they aren't, people are going to double book. It doesn't make them immoral or sinister. They are simply trying top maximize their vacation enjoyment. If you are in the same ADR window and make your ADRs 180+10 days out, same as your competition, chances are that their double-booking won't impact you at all.

Sorry...disagree. You're indecisive! So, you get to hoard 2 adrs b/c you can't make up your mind!?!!? No. The justification is shotty and rooted in selfish entitlement. Why should the Family A find out there are no ADRs just b/c Family B can't get their act together and make a singular choice? It's one thing if the place is truly booked solid, but it's pretty sad that they may check for ADRs and find out there are none b/c people like this are booking solely b/c they are incapable of making a plan in advance and sticking to it.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

I have to disagree here. If a person has two options:
1) Make an ADR at California Grill for two consecutive days and then cancel one 45 days out thus guaranteeing them a table there; or
2) Wait until they are 45 days out only to find out that California Grill is booked solid,
then option 1 is the logical choice. Your point seems to be "since I know where I am going to eat 190 days out, everyone else should too." ADRs should be made 60 days out. But since they aren't, people are going to double book. It doesn't make them immoral or sinister. They are simply trying top maximize their vacation enjoyment. If you are in the same ADR window and make your ADRs 180+10 days out, same as your competition, chances are that their double-booking won't impact you at all.

IMO, option 1 is the easy, self serving choice. I agree the 180 window is ridiculous, but we're all in the same situation. If we all covered all our basis at 180 + 10 (not really 190), many people would be shut out until very late in the game. That puts those who couldn't get the restaurants they wanted in the position of having to stalk the website constantly waiting for those who snapped up all the ADRs to decide they'll be kind enough to release an ADR they knew they may not want. No one enjoys having to check many times a day hoping to catch a cancellation.

 

[BattyKoda]

It does seem to be far less of an issue than it was not so long ago before the system recognized conflicts and before the CC-hold was implemented

I thought that this was the case as well, but after following some of the monthly cancellation threads I no longer believe it is the case. I've seen too many people cancel multiple days of the same even (BOG, CP and CRT among them). It's really annoying, that when you can't find a ADR for a specific place only to see someone release a couple of them for the same month that you are planning on going. The CC-hold isn't much of a deterrent as people have plenty of time to cancel before their trip, without incurring any cost.

Needless to say, I completely agree with OP, enough so that I was thinking of starting my own thread on the subject.

 

[TDC Nala]

At least now they are being cancelled so someone else can pick them up. Before the cancellation policy, the guest who booked multiples often wouldn't bother with cancelling. They just didn't show up.

 

[wolf29]

I have to disagree here. If a person has two options:
1) Make an ADR at California Grill for two consecutive days and then cancel one 45 days out thus guaranteeing them a table there; or
2) Wait until they are 45 days out only to find out that California Grill is booked solid,
then option 1 is the logical choice. Your point seems to be "since I know where I am going to eat 190 days out, everyone else should too." ADRs should be made 60 days out. But since they aren't, people are going to double book. It doesn't make them immoral or sinister. They are simply trying top maximize their vacation enjoyment. If you are in the same ADR window and make your ADRs 180+10 days out, same as your competition, chances are that their double-booking won't impact you at all.

How is choice #1 logical? If you successfully make your ADR for Cali Grill, why do you need a second?

 

[BattyKoda]

At least now they are being cancelled so someone else can pick them up. Before the cancellation policy, the guest who booked multiples often wouldn't bother with cancelling. They just didn't show up.

Agree with this... though (and this would probably be very unpopular) maybe Disney needs to go further and make people put some sort of deposit down (say the same ten dollars that they would forfeit for not showing up). I'd be willing to be that this would limit how may extra ADR's people book.

Second, Disney has no one to blame for this but themselves for making ADRs available 190 days out.

I somewhat agree with this... except for the fact that those that are aware of this rule are also 'probably' aware of which parks are recommended on what days well before they try to book any ADRs.

 

[Disneylover99]

People can give you reasons...until they're blue in the face...but their reasons are nothing more than EXCUSES.
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Well my REASON for holding on to one extra ADR is because I had not yet booked my flight as I mentioned in a previous post.

 

[BattyKoda]

Is it really so wrong to book two ADR's at just one restaurant at day 180 +10 for a two week trip and then cancel the one you won't use as soon as possible?

No, and I don't think that most people have an issue with this (or at least I don't). But we've all seen many others booking the same hard to get restaurant (BOG for example) numerous times during a much shorter trip than this and cancelling a short time before their trip (and other times during their trip). This makes it much more difficult for others to get an ADR at some of the popular places.

Also, don't take the posts personally... many threads/posts are just a place for people to vent, no one is calling someone out personally (well, most of the time we aren't ).

 

[JenCin78]

It really stinks for those of us that don't necessarily plan our trips more than 6 months in advance. We officially booked our June trip in March as we weren't certain about vacation time being approved through work. At 90 days out I was unable to book many of the restaurants we wanted...couldn't get Chef Mickeys for any meal any time of the day-stalked the site and was finally able to snag a 9 pm for Ohana which I wound up canceling due to the late hour. Now maybe these restaurants are legitimately booked since they are popular choices but there's also the possibility that people have hoarded ADRs thus preventing us from eating there. It's not going to ruin our vacation by any means but I won't say that I wasn't disappointed.

 

[Disneylover99]

Most people have the scruples to know it's wrong, but they've concocted so many selfish reasons to justify it that they have even convinced themselves that it's OK. I'm impacted just as much by the weather...by changing personal preferences for the day...and so on. I just know it's wrong to hoard ADRs for the what if's and personal indecisiveness...that's what separates us from them. It's just horribly pathetic that some people have deluded themselves into believing their excuses are legitimate reasons to abuse the system.

Us from them??
I agree that people should cancel ADR's as soon as possible if they won't be using them. But for you to spew venom at every single person who holds one extra ADR is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Disneylover99]

Also, don't take the posts personally... many threads/posts are just a place for people to vent, no one is calling someone out personally (well, most of the time we aren't ).

Thank-you for posting this.
It's a reminder for me to put things into perspective.

 

[benji2012]

I will probably hate myself for asking this. For those who consider it selfish to book 2 ADRs for a restaurant you are planning on eating at only once (and also plan on canceling the other) , do you also consider it selfish and/or self serving to eat at the same restaurant several times during the same trip?

The latter seems to happen with BoG with some frequency; which I can't help but think keeps another family from getting to eat there just once.

As a person who rarely books ADRs at my 180 window I believe I'm often a beneficiary of those who double book and cancel...so I guess I'm selfish because I want their unused ADR!. (I know that they don't always make it back into the system, but some do.)