Penny auction sites

I'm still torn on whether or not they're worth it. Those of you who are likening it to gambling make it sound way worse than it is (or could be)

I think they're are 2 strategies to these sites, 1) is you're trying to get stuff super cheap, you limit your bids, basically trying to swoop in and "steal" the item from other bidders who have been bidding the price up. The other way to get things cheap is to try to bid at one or 2 cents and hope that the time just expires. This I think is a type of gambling, and I believe you lose way more than win.

I'm not familiar with Quibids specifically, but I'll assume it's similar to others. In particular, the fact that when a bid is placed, the ending time automatically gets extended by some length of time "to allow others to bid". It's this time extension clause that effectively negates the swoop/steal/snipe approach.

Given that the "sell" prices on any of these sites are substantially lower than the value of the item (by a factor of ten or more typically) it's plain to see that it's not natural free-market pricing at work (as you might find on eBay). More to the point, the sell price and ending of an "auction" is entirely luck-driven (basically, whenever there's a period of 15 seconds where nobody is able to get a bid in for whatever reason)... hence, it's gambling. There is little predictability and little skill involved.

If you look at the sell prices of items and consider the cost of the bids, it's trivial to calculate the total expenditure (remembering that part of the cost is absorbed by the losers) for any given item. It's equally simple to conclude that, on average, it's a bad deal to participate. Yes, some people win, and some people get very good deals, but on average, it's a loser.

Overall, these sites, though there terms and conditions are clear, like to sell you on the idea that you're going to get something for nothing, and people are all too happy to buy into it.
 
I'm not familiar with Quibids specifically, but I'll assume it's similar to others. In particular, the fact that when a bid is placed, the ending time automatically gets extended by some length of time "to allow others to bid". It's this time extension clause that effectively negates the swoop/steal/snipe approach.


Yup, thats why I said you're going to end up "losing" these gambles.


Given that the "sell" prices on any of these sites are substantially lower than the value of the item (by a factor of ten or more typically) it's plain to see that it's not natural free-market pricing at work (as you might find on eBay). More to the point, the sell price and ending of an "auction" is entirely luck-driven (basically, whenever there's a period of 15 seconds where nobody is able to get a bid in for whatever reason)... hence, it's gambling. There is little predictability and little skill involved.


I'll disagree with you somewhat here. I don't think it's entirely luck-driven. I think that luck does play some part in it, especially at the outlier prices. As I said, I won my first auction for 0.04, which I believe is lucky and atypical. However, from what monitoring I did (admittedly not too much) it seems that certain products tend to "sell" with a certain price range. Per my previous post, most $100 GC sold for about $10. Sure some went for $3, others for $15. But in my opinion there were pretty stable around $10, which means that luck may play less of a factor than you think. I think there is a price point where people tend to drop out, because the same item is either being auctioned off simulataneously or shortly after, so there is no need for endless bidding.



If you look at the sell prices of items and consider the cost of the bids, it's trivial to calculate the total expenditure (remembering that part of the cost is absorbed by the losers) for any given item. It's equally simple to conclude that, on average, it's a bad deal to participate. Yes, some people win, and some people get very good deals, but on average, it's a loser.

Overall, these sites, though there terms and conditions are clear, like to sell you on the idea that you're going to get something for nothing, and people are all too happy to buy into it.


For some it may be a bad deal to participate. For others it may be a wash, and still others, they may come out ahead. Personally, I think these sites have a place for as I mentioned, when you know you need something and are going to buy it anyway. Gift cards in specific are what I have in mind.

Say I need a $600 item from Home Depot.

I do this 6 times:

I buy 100 bids at 60 cents each.
I bid on $100 GC's to Home Depot until either I win or my 100 bids are exhausted.
If I win, great. If not, I use the buy it now option.

Worst case scenario is I don't win any of my 6 auctions, and my $600 item now cost me $611.94.

But if I win even one, on say my last bid (worst case winning situation) for $13 my $600 item cost me $584.94

In the terms of you're risking your 11.94 to get a discount it is gambling. But you're down side is capped at 11.94. Your upside it much higher.

I think the people that will "lose" on these sites are the people who are motivated by greed. They'll bid on things they don't try to plan on buying if they lose, just trying to get a "steal".

I never said it wasn't gambling, I just think for the right people, with the right intentions, the small downside ($12 in my example) is worth the risk for the potential upside.
 
I buy 100 bids at 60 cents each.
I bid on $100 GC's to Home Depot until either I win or my 100 bids are exhausted.
If I win, great. If not, I use the buy it now option.

Worst case scenario is I don't win any of my 6 auctions, and my $600 item now cost me $611.94.

(clipping)

I never said it wasn't gambling, I just think for the right people, with the right intentions, the small downside ($12 in my example) is worth the risk for the potential upside.

Ah, okay... I wasn't familiar with the buy it now option, that seems rather unique to quibids. You're correct then, that it's not too much of a risk, if you're reasonably smart about it. (You could even take it a bit further than just placing 100 bids on a $100 GC, of course, but same idea)

All of that said, I'd have to question a bit about how much time it would take to go through that process... Placing 100 bids, even ten seconds apart, is a nearly 17 minute endeavor per auction. I don't know what the success rate would be for this, but I wonder just how "worth it" it would be.
 
Good luck on your recovery and I hope you continue to post ways to help others on this board. It was a shame how you were treated on the other thread you posted on. I too am interested in what sites you prefer if you would pm me I would appreciate it.


Thank you for your kind words. It has saddened me, as I return to this site, how many posters find it fun game to pick on OP and contributing posters. I am choosing to ignore these posters for now on. What a waste of time. Ugh. They apply the number of bids you placed to this price. So I always know in my head at what point I have "broken even" there is no point in bidding past this point. I was doing quit a bit of bidding at Bidrack but never received my giftcards. Long story short I was able to get all of my money back but still do not recommend this site at this time. If I had to chose one to look at I would say shopbig.com. But really spend some time watching auctions from beginning to end and learning who the players are and what their style of bidding is. There are some players that will never walk away from an auction, really, no matter what - even if it costs them over retail. They are hoping to make themselves untouchable and are willing to throw every last bid to the wind to make that happen. Learn who they are and save your bids, they aren't on every auction all of the time and I do well working around them. Thanks again and happy bidding. Let me know if you try it out. BTW early morning 3-6am auctions tend to be the easiest - but there are no guarantees.
 

@BIGTODOLIST FIrst, I hope you continue to have a speedy recocery. Second, thanks so much for the advice and a little insite. ANd Finally, do you care to share which are the four sites you prefer and a little about why? PM if you prefer to do that. Have a great day!

Thanks for kind words, things are going well. My fav right now is shopbig.com they offer a buy it now option that you can put your bids towards, there don't seem to be any site sponsored autobidding robots and they have good won limits ( I think it is 8 auctions won a month), and they even have profit sharing with site bidders, the auctions are NO reserve. Also my gift cards arrive in less then a week.

A word about site autobots. Ok, I can't prove anything but I have KNOW they exist. I have been thinking a bout starting my own site featuring Disney stuff - I am still in the evaluation stage and can't say when I will make my mind up. But as I have been looking for a company to design the sites I have ran across companies that tout the benefits of their autobots, no kidding. And I have been on some sites that I am very suspicious of. Since I really can't prove it I think it better that I don't mention them here.

Oh also I have been having fun purchasing bids on pennyauctioncoupon. they are the Groupon of the penny site world. It's a great way to invest little money and get your feet wet wihtout breaking the bank.

Other sites I like, pennypurses, itsy (have not won or received anything from them though), savvybidding But there are tons of them out there so look around and do not feel compelled to just jump in, unless of course, you are using free bids for registering. And search for coupon codes. :banana:
 
You might want to do some research before bidding on anything. There are many accusations of schill bitting and automatic bidding. The sites claim that they don't do this but the company that makes the software for these types of sites promotes the ability to do so. If the item isn't selling for enough or they don't have enough bids they can set it up to automaticly keep upping the bids until it reaches a set ammount.

Keith

I just had to say that it is totally true that at least one of the companies that makes these sites does sell the shill bidders as an advantage of their software. If is a shame and there are a handful of sites I suspect of using this option. That being said there are sites that review and scrutinize penny bidding sites. I highly suggest Googling any site you are interested in before putting your money in their hands. Also, even if you do put money in their hands, do it through Paypal where a customer, who follows and knows the rules of play, may get a refund.
 
A summary from Clark Howard's website, entire article is at the link:

http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/scams-ripoffs/penny-auctions-nothing-more-illegal-game-chance/nzd9/

So yes, it is true that the winner gets stuff ultra-cheap. But I cannot believe the various state attorney generals are asleep at the switch on this one. Lotteries can only be run by states. Gambling can only operate when permissible under state law. So anytime money is collected from losers in a game of chance is patently illegal. (I expect the legal actions to ultimately follow at some point in the future.)

Know that these kinds of offers are deceptive on their face. MSBNC reported there was one auction for an HDTV where the winner got a $1,500 model for $228. But 22,000 bids were placed and the bids exceeded the cost of the TV by a 9:1 ratio! That is ultimately a lottery and it patently and totally not OK.
 














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