Pedicabs are uninformed

Motherfletcher

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I tried to educate the pedicab drivers on the law and they gave me a line that there are no rules because they are on private property. "It's not a sidewalk it's private property." What's worse was bike riding security guard agreed with them. They said that the law didn't apply. I guess there are jungle rules when it comes to private property and might is right. I would so like to pursue this especially when the ignorant security guard is unaware of the law.
 
You go, MF! I have been chased off the path by those flippin rickshaw drivers more times than I care to count and have almost been run over a time or two. If you can re-edu-ma-cate them, those paths would be much safer.

BTW, their argument of private property is lame ... how many thousands of people walk those paths each day? They should ride safely for that reason alone.
 
I wonder if anyone or how many people have been hit by one. The responsibilty would lie where? Universal and the pedicab people? Even if they are independants they are still on Universal property, right? I also wonder what the average of complaints are regarding them. I guess if those complaints are constant and gain in incidence they would ditch the cabs.:confused3
 
I didn't know they had the name 'pedicab'... but the fact they are stating they're on private property and don't have to obey by any rules just brings UO into the litigation.

from the UO standpoint, that surprises me. I wouldn't sue them if I got chased off the paths, but there are plenty of people that would. Orlando's got a pretty good 'slip and fall' attorney right there.
 

:confused3 Who exactly owns the rickshaw's??Somebody said they are independant...does that mean that they pay US to be on their property??Just wondering!:thumbsup2
 
:confused3 Who exactly owns the rickshaw's??Somebody said they are independant...does that mean that they pay US to be on their property??Just wondering!:thumbsup2

Yes, they do. I asked one of them one time. And I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who was annoyed by them, constantly having to get out of their way.
 

I checked out their website, and they say they are well received by Loews Hotels and Universal. Hmpphh. I know I will start filling out my hotel surveys and my park surveys to the contrary. Just by their website, you can tell that the path is not wide enough to accommodate the rickshaws and pedestrians. It's ridiculous that those of us who enjoy the exercise are "run off the road" by the rickshaws.
 
i think everyone should take the "free" ride in the rickshaws and not tip them


how long do you think they would be willing to work at UO between the hotels and city walk and parks if they did not make any money off of the guests.

probably the best way to make a point.



i have my flame suit on now.
go ahead, take your shot.
 
i think everyone should take the "free" ride in the rickshaws and not tip them


how long do you think they would be willing to work at UO between the hotels and city walk and parks if they did not make any money off of the guests.

probably the best way to make a point.



i have my flame suit on now.
go ahead, take your shot.


In a sick, twisted way, I LOOVVE your idea. No flames from me. Perhaps we should do this together after our RIP tour? ;)
 
In a sick, twisted way, I LOOVVE your idea. No flames from me. Perhaps we should do this together after our RIP tour? ;)

:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

they almost ran over little buddy......but then again when both me and DH tell him to move, he should move :lmao: :lmao:
 
Ah, I can feel myself becoming the "anti-rickshaw" crusader. Who runs a Bean off the pathway?! Watch. Next trip, I'll be circulating petitions to get them removed. See how many people sign when I cite their complete lack of regard for child safety. I think they may be starting to bug me more than the timeshare people. :rotfl:

Honestly, I would not care if the path were twice as wide or they had their own path. But, as it stands, they have disrupted my quiet, romantic, peaceful walking time with my husband, and for that a pox on their houses.

And, I think mac is onto something. At a minimum (because Mike & I always get the hard sell), I think we'll just start saying that we don't carry cash.

Now, mac, to make your scheme work even better ... no more dieting till our October trip. Mike, you, and me ... we could easily be 500 pounds between the 3 of us ... and with no tip? Pah-lease. :lmao:
 
sure, i can start the double cheeseburgers up again.
and those chocolate milkshakes



i think we all should take rickshaw rides and just saw thanks for the lift dude.

the more people don't tip, the less of the rick shaws will be out there.


ok, i'll aim for 200 lbs minimum........and i'll put lead weights in my pockets..


all for the cause.

if they hadn't messed with bean #2, this plan would have never materialized..
 
The sidewalk system connecting the parks to the resorts was designed as a meandering pedestrian facility offering a peaceful view of the waterways for joggers, pedestrians and in some areas pedestrians walking dogs. While the underlying ownership is private the public is invited and encouraged to use these pathways. At some point a decision was made by Universal to add or share the use of these pathways with commercial human powered pedicabs.
Shared use pathways are a roadway system for the exclusive use of bikes and pedestrians much in the same way that freeways are intended for the exclusive use by cars. There are similarities between the design requirements for shared use paths and highways (e.g. in determining horizontal alignment, sight distance requirements, signing and markings). Sidewalks are typically designed for pedestrian speeds and maneuverabilities. They are not safe for higher speed bicycle use. Conflicts are common between pedestrians and bicyclists. Pedestrians entering the pathway from boat docks and intersecting sidewalks may surprise the bicyclist. Pedestrians and joggers can, and often do, change direction and speed almost instantaneously, leaving the bicyclist insufficient time to react to avoid collisions. Pedestrians often have difficultly predicting the direction an oncoming bicycle will take. Often guests are from countries where riding on the right is foreign to them.
Is it best to mix the uses or keep them separate? The question is best answered in terms of volume and user type. At low volumes of each group the mixed path is observed to work. As volumes increase there is a need to provide separate facilities or limit a use. Increased volume also requires lower operating speeds. The most universal answer to the question is to provide a simple "wheels 'n heels" design which separates the bicyclists from the pedestrian by marked designated areas. ADA accessible paths must be designed as such.
The Manual of Uniform Minimum Standards for Florida says that a shared use path has to be 12' wide. It can be 10' if certain criteria are met, such as only occasional pedestrian use, bike use minimal even on peak days and peak hours, good horizontal and vertical clearance and no maintenance vehicles breaking the edges. The pathway to Portofino Bay is 10' wide with a longitudinal seam one foot in from each edge. This is where the pedicab operator and the security guard acted as if they were boy lawyers. Regardless whether the sidewalk is public or private the Court would ask, "What is the industry standard.?"
Most traffic laws are based on simple manners and the driver I rode with lacked manners. He passed two guys walking abreast within about 3 inches without an audible warning as Florida law reads. When told that I had heard complaints and that he violated State law he came up with the defensive private property bull and even tried to say it wasn't a sidewalk. There were simply too many people on the sidewalk this holiday week to operate the pedicab service safely. The faster they go the more customers they get and supposedly the more money (a quarter at a time) so this creates another safety concern. My driver met 2 pedicabs and one oncoming driver stopped at a sharp corner at the bottom of a slight incline at the bridge closest to PBH. My driver was all put out that he had to to stand up and pump to get up the hill but if he had taken this curve at the speed required to get up the hill it would have been a thrill ride that lacked the engineering safety measures.
The Florida Bicyle Association is meeting in Orlando the end of August and I intend to go and question Orlando's Bike/Ped Coordinator about the pedicab service. At the very least the pedicab drivers should attend Orlando's bike safety training: http://www.bikeorlando.org/
Here's Florida Law:

Sidewalk riding
(Section 316.2065(10) and (11), F.S.)

A person propelling a vehicle by human power upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, has all the rights and duties applicable to a pedestrian under the same circumstances.

Comment: Sidewalks are not designed for bicycle speeds, but a bicycle propelled by human power may be used except where prohibited by local ordinance (e.g. in the central business districts of many cities). No bicycle may be propelled by other than human power on a sidewalk. Although a cyclist riding on a sidewalk has the rights and duties of a pedestrian, he is still a "bicycle rider" and his bicycle is still a "bicycle". Consequently, laws that pertain to required equipment and to carriage of passengers (see above) are still applicable.

Since a cyclist riding on a sidewalk does not have the duties (or rights) of a driver, he may ride in either direction. (However, it is safer to ride in the direction of traffic, since drivers do not expect cyclists to come from the other direction at driveways and crosswalks. Crash risk is 3 to 4 times as great for sidewalk riders who ride facing roadway traffic as for sidewalk riders who ride in the direction of traffic.)


A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian.
 
jodie, scootch over.
let's put motherfletcher in the rickshaw with us.......
 
Yes, MF, join us, and no dieting either!

BTW, MF, what you wrote is well-written and screams of common sense and knowledge of the law. Maybe you should forward that in an email verbatim to Dave King ... I'll bet he would step up and get them to be safer!
 
Yes, MF, join us, and no dieting either!

BTW, MF, what you wrote is well-written and screams of common sense and knowledge of the law. Maybe you should forward that in an email verbatim to Dave King ... I'll bet he would step up and get them to be safer!



ditto
 
So I'll admit to using this service several times a few weeks ago...once was due to the PBH boat breaking down at the CityWalk dock and the other was due to being overruled upon suggesting a nice walk back to PBH after a very grueling day.

On the plus side, I found the service to be efficient and a nice alternative for getting back to the resort...I was impressed that our drivers could actually pull the three of us (total of about 350 lbs) up the hill leading to PBH.

On the down side, I can certainly connect with some of the concerns being expressed here...the drivers rode very fast and surprised a bunch of walkers, almost hitting a few several times. There was one guy that I was sure would be hit...I just cringed as we passed no more that a few inches to his left.

I do think this is a lawsuit waiting to happen...it's only a matter of time before someone is injured (perhaps badly) by an overzealous driver. But in reality where there is demand for a product the free market will quench that thirst, so I do think there is a legitimate need being fulfilled...
 












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