Paying Duty At The Border.

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Hi. Just got home from a LOOOOOng day in Buffalo, shopping. We had a GREAT:woohoo: and fun day. The four of us ) DH, ME, DD 15 & DD18) spent around $50-$80 each, nothing new. Well today, they made us pay duty:rolleyes: it was only $32.00. He said that we are allowed NOTHING.Oh well, now to start saving for our yearly weekend trip late November.:banana:
 
Technically you are allowed nothing but obviously he was a jerk. I work in the U.S. and bring stuff back all the time and I don't have to pay duty. The last time they sent me in (there was 3 of us and we spent over 300) and the customs agents inside looked at our bills and sent us back out again. It isn't very often unless it is one single item over a certain amount.
 
Technically you are allowed nothing but obviously he was a jerk


Why exactly was he obviously a jerk for enforcing the rules?
 
Because most times they let you go and generally they don't make you go in unless you've spent over $100 each. I'm just saying I cross all the time and I can't remember the last time they made me go in to pay duty.
 

I don't think the guy was being a jerk either. It's officer's discretion most of the time and he was well within the law to make them pay. I usually count on paying if we have spent more than $100 or so in one day and consider myself lucky when we don't have to.
 
Living near 2 bridges that cross over to New York, we have made quite a few day trips over to Ogdensburg or Watertown. I agree that the vast majority of the time we have been waved through after the initial person checked our receipts. However there have been a few times where we were required to pay duty on some of our purchases. The dollar amounts for the duty have never to my recollection been as high as 30 dollars. Perhaps there was something coming back across the border that was not manufactured in the USA and required a somewhat higher rate of duty than would something made in the U.S. I just don't automatically assume that the customs officer was a jerk for making someone pay duty.
 
i foolishly went to Buffalo last Oct when they "big" snow storm, unknowingly to me. I went to get a Turkey :goodvibes because i heard you can get them for under 50 cents a pound :lmao:
It was quite pleasant up here in Canada at the time, and i went over to go shopping. Anyways, i was on the Hwy and the snowstorm was sooo bad that i basically got off the hwy and turn around. I stopped for gas and because i was wearing regular shoes and no coat, they got soaked! I had to stop off to get a coat and boots.
I went to Walmart to buy a coat, boots and a few groceries. I spend around $75.

When i got to the border i explained to the lady that i was planning on shopping but got stuck in the storm and had to stop to buy boots and a coat(i was freezing) and just wanted to return home. She made me go in to pay. well i get to the duty office and some guy comes out and searches my car top to bottow. (Ok-it kind freaked me out!) he looked at all the bills and made sure everything i had was what i said (it was ;) Then he told me to be on my way, and i did not have to pay.

So, my lesson, i won't go over by myself anymore, i will watch the weather, and i will get the Turkey that i FORGOT to get for the purpose of the Trip :lmao:
 
we cross all the time to shop. We do day trips and over night trips. Very seldom we have to pay the duties. It is all in how you present yourself to the officer. if you have bills in hand and have the total ready for him, and you are within a reasonable amount, normally you are good to go. but then we do not buy smokes or booze. When ever we bring back a bottle for someone, we tend to get looked at a bit closer.
we have had "jerks" before, but as a general rule, all the officers tend to be great and very efficient.
 
Maybe a little perspective here from someone who has been a frequent cross-border shopper for a good twenty years.......?

Back in the day (my, don't I sound like an old fogey!), there was duty on just about everything -- it was actually quite complicated. But the free trade agreement was slowly but surely responsible for bringing those duties down each year, then finally eliminating most of them. Every January 1st my girlfriend and I would eagerly search out how some of the duties had gone down -- we were (and still are) diehard cross-border shoppers.

Duty was assigned based on a tremendous number of categories. For example, if we went to a craft store and bought fabric, fabric paint, and sewing machine needles, it was possible that there would be a different duty rate on all the items. It was then up to the customs guard to decide if they wanted to break down the bill and itemize the duty on everything, or just assign one category to the entire bill and charge the duty (and the tax) accordingly. I remember one evening, after stocking up at JoAnn's after a great sale on fabric paint, trying to help the customs agent determine what duty category puffy fabric paint belonged in.:confused3 :lmao: Oh, and it changed if it was specifically designated "Christmas" too -- Christmas had its own special duty category!

Another specific I do remember is that groceries had no tax, but had 12% duty -- so if we had a bill from Tops or Wegmans that was, say, around a hundred bucks, we knew we would be dinged with a $12 duty charge for our food.

Back then, in the early 90s, if you said you had spent anything, you were just about always pulled over to the Customs office -- and you had to wait in your car until a customs guard came out, and came up to the driver's window to talk to you. And they just about always wanted to look in the car and trunk too. At that point, sometimes they just told you 'thanks' and let you drive away, other times it was 'go inside and produce your bills'.

But as the 90s went by and the duty charges got smaller and smaller and were finally all but eliminated, the revenue to be gained by pulling over returning Canadians grew smaller and smaller, until now when it's really just the tax. So, as the years have gone by, we have found that while once we were just about always pulled over, now we are hardly ever pulled over.

This is not only because of the elimination of duties. The Canadian dollar plays a big part in this. As the Canadian dollar grew weaker and weaker, many folks stopped going across the border, or did it less frequently. Even my frequent trips (going at least twice a month) dwindled down to only going a few times a year.

But now -- the dollar is strong again, stronger than it was back then. The parking lots in the shopping malls are once again full of Canadian license plates. And once again the Canadian government can earn some extra revenue on all those bargain-hungry shoppers out there!

As far as being pulled over, there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we are not aware of -- they do run collection blitzes sometimes, where the plan for the next few hours are to pull over just about everyone and collect as much $ as possible. Back in July my girlfriend and I were pulled over and they had stopped so many that there wasn't even a place to park! We had to park strangely, sideways, then go in and show our bills, then line up to pay. I had to pay a whopping grand total of seven bucks! If it hadn't been the obvious blitz on, I'm sure they would have just told me to go back to the car -- but everyone was paying, no matter how small.

And this leads me to my one pet peeve -- I SO wish the Canadian government would let our customs agents behave more like BORDER GUARDS and not as REVENUE COLLECTORS! This so bugs me. I wish the agents' duties were so much more focused on protecting our country -- checking the IDs of those entering Canada, for example -- than on finding out how much $ we spent. We hardly ever get asked for ID or anything similar, but we always get asked about our shopping. Wrong priorities!!!!

Okay, off that soapbox now.......
 
but obviously he was a jerk.

WOW~ i am a border guard, customs agent, border services officer...whatever you want to call us and i TOTALLY take offense to this.

you should expect to pay d and t if you are over your allowance. and on a day trip less than 24 hours, you have no allowance.

give the guy a break. he was doing his job.
 














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