Pay it forward or against the rules ??

[diserwannabe]

I don't understand why the OP couldn't give them away without asking...after all, he did PAY for them? He is not using them for his whole trip and then selling them. I agree...it is best to ASK THE CM's but I see no harm. Someone gave me their fast pass for SOARIN and I used it, I didn't think about going and asking a cast member if I "should". I don't know...this is JMHO, don't yell at me I'm just a newbie

 

[Disney_Angel]

You are talking about unused mugs that you purchased with your package. I say you "purchased" them as gifts to be given away.

We have been recipients of such generosity. We woke up at 3 am last December-- I won't bore you with the details--but had a horrendous time all morning long--arriving at WDW around 2 pm. After check-in, I was sitting at a booth in our resort food court just fighting tears (I never cry) and trying to calm down. There was an incredible family from Canada that came over to us and told us they had been watching for a large family to do something nice for. They proceeded to do several nice things for us. (Canadian family--if you are reading this ) I am telling you--they made our day! Actually, they made our week! It was one of the best vacations ever because they sprinkled pixie-dust in the form of kindness and generosity upon us before they flew back to Canada.

I know this is off topic but PLEASE tell us what nice thing they did for your family!!!

 

[Brian Noble]

I don't understand why the OP couldn't give them away without asking.

Because the terms you agree to say you can't. Here's the statement from the package terms and conditions.

package components are non-transferable.

The mug is a "package component." Of course, should you choose to break this rule by giving someone your mug, Sorcerer Mickey will not appear in a puff of smoke and banish you to Six Flags. But, if the question is "is it against the rules" the answer is "yes."

 

[kaytieeldr]

But to take an unused mug that is for unlimited refills for the length of your stay and give it to one person who will use that mug for just the length of their stay -- it's like buying the item as a gift for someone.

Well, okay - per the rules/restrictions of the Dining Plan, this (mug-gifting) is prohibited. But, if you want to be 100% technical based on the rules of refillable mugs... the recipients could use the mugs for the length of stay of the OP.

But, yeah, as the above poster points out, the mug is an entitlement of the DxDDP and entitlements cannot be shared with persons not on the/a DDP.

Now, here's a compromise: Give them to a party on the basic DDP.

 

[Tricia1972]

Personally I think it's a nice thing to do and see nothing wrong with it.

True the mug is a Package Component and should not be given away, but the same is true for the "yummy snacks" that people buy up on the last day of their stay to give away when they get home. Snack credits are most certainly a package component and thus are non-transferrable.

I say pay it forward, but you need to do what feels comfortable for you. Technically it IS against the rules, but so is sharing your snacks as 'gifts' when you get home.

 

[bicker]

I think I find use of the term "paying it forward" more objectionable than what the OP is suggesting to do. If you "really dont see ... using the mugs at all", then you're not "paying" anything by giving the mug to someone else.

It is against the rules, but putting that aside, it isn't "paying it foward".

 

[Maxamuus]

I think I find use of the term "paying it forward" more objectionable than what the OP is suggesting to do. If you "really dont see ... using the mugs at all", then you're not "paying" anything by giving the mug to someone else.

I would beg to differ. Last time i checked my visa statement i paid for the mugs regardless if i use them or not, they weren't free.

To all the other posters - Thanks for the advice. I really didnt care about the rules of giving them away. I was more wondering if the people i gave them too would somehow have to prove they were on the deluxe plan to use them. I just didnt know how Disney would verify who the mugs belonged too.

 

[bicker]

I would beg to differ. Last time i checked my visa statement i paid for the mugs regardless if i use them or not, they weren't free.

That's not what the word "pay" means in the context of "paying it forward". It implies personal sacrifice. Getting something included with a package, something that you don't plan on using, and giving that thing you're not going to use up, isn't "paying" anything.

 

[Maxamuus]

That's not what the word "pay" means in the context of "paying it forward". It implies personal sacrifice. Getting something included with a package, something that you don't plan on using, and giving that thing you're not going to use up, isn't "paying" anything.

Paying it forward doesn't have anything to do with personal sacrifice.

The concept was first described by Ben Franklin. The concept is you help a person in need, and rather then them pay you back for the help they take what is due you and help another person in need.

So yes, what I am doing is not paying it forward in the true sense of the concept. My thoughts were to give it to a family and ask them to do a kind act for someone else during their vacation. While you may argue the definition I think doing a good deed for someone and asking them in return to do a good deed for someone else in return is absolutely paying it forward. Maybe not in the literal sense of the phrase but it is following in the same concept.

 

[bicker]

Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. Casting this as anything benevolent when there is nothing that you value being lost doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Maxamuus]

Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. Casting this as anything benevolent when there is nothing that you value being lost doesn't make sense to me.

We can agree to disagree on the definition of paying it forward.

I think we can agree it would be nice to do a random act of kindness for a family on vacation and ask them in return to do the same for another family.
Maybe it could snowball and people would be doing nice things for everybody left and right.

 

[Rlbren]

I think it's a nice gesture. We give our fastpasses away if we don;t need them. I say you pay for it, then you do what you want with it.

Besides, WDW gives stuff away all the time through magical moments...why should they have all the fun.

 

[CarolinaMomOf3boys]

I know this is off topic but PLEASE tell us what nice thing they did for your family!!!

 

[Evan&Kimberly]

Never mind the bickering and all that paying it word ,forget the sacrifice crap,you are trying to do something good from the heart and do not allow anyone to change your heart, we have to face it everyone is not kind that's the world that we live in and sometimes it is hard for those to accept things because of the lack of kindess,We have some genuine people in the world today that want to do kind gestures without looking for something in return, Give them mugs away and be on your way with a smile on your face because you will have just put a smile on someone else’s face, and yeah you could put a smile on mine Sept 4th at the Pop, no really you have put a smile on my face with just the kindness that you want to share! I am so into this song sharing is caring for you and me; hey I got the song from my son's Barney tape you got to hear the song it really rocks ! Sharing makes you feel like your floating on as well as those that you are sharing with! Thats why every day I do something nice for someone it may be in the grocery store and I allow someone to go in front of me,or if I see someone who needs help with a door I will get it for them, If I see someone out and they look nice I will tell them you look great,and it doesnt cost me a thing,and when people do something nice for me it just makes me want to do that much more,an act of kindness is priceless!

 

[bicker]

We can agree to disagree on the definition of paying it forward. I think we can agree it would be nice to do a random act of kindness for a family on vacation and ask them in return to do the same for another family.

Yes. For example, we have stadium seats for Fantasmic! If I'm sitting next to someone who's clearly having a far worse time of the sitting than I am, I'll gladly offer to lend them the stadium seat for the show. See the difference?

And, of course, there is also no escaping the fact that the while mug is transferable, the entitlement to have it refilled is not.

Anyway, oh goodness! A disagreement between people about morality and ethics! No big surprise.

 

[Maxamuus]

See the difference?

No I dont. I dont know where you got this notion that you have to experience personal sacrifice to have something to be considered "paying it forward". While that might be your personal interpretation of the concept it hardly makes it a fact.

Wiki has a nice blurb on it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward or google the phrase and see all the organizations who try to help out by simple acts of goodwill. None of them mention personal sacrifices required.

 

[bicker]

The problem is that "paying forward" necessarily starts with giving something to someone else; but if you're giving something that isn't yours to give (the right to refill the mugs) then there is no giving, and therefore no "paying it forward".

(I thought we were agreeing to disagree... guess not! )

 

[Pumbaa_]

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