Passport dilemma

LeslieG

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What would you do? I am booked on a S. Carib. cruise at the end of January. Last minute decision, my son may be coming along. His passport expires at the end of April. I checked the State Dept. website. St. Kitts, Grenada and Martinique require 6 months time left on passport. Antigua requires 90 days. Barbados just needs to be valid at time of entry.

I will call DCL and ask them, but sometimes you get different answers depending on who you ask. Would there only be an issue if we had an emergency and had to fly home from one of those countries? There wouldn't be an issue boarding the ship, would there? He could travel on just a birth certificate I think, or I could try to get the renewal done before we leave.
 
I believe there is a emergency fast track to get a new Passport.......you would usually get it back in 2 weeks. As long as your cruise is a closed loop he can travel on a BC and one other government id like a drivers license.

I would check the state dept. website again and call DCL on the BC.

Good Luck.


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If you know you are going to renew his passport, I would just renew it early, and get it over with. You can go to a Passport Agency and get an Expedited Passport. We just did this with ds. He's been away at college, and we are traveling in January. We made an appt for yesterday (11 days before travel) and he walked out with his passport in hand. Fairly painless, and we don't have to worry about what-ifs.
 
Since a passport technically isn't required for this cruise at all, I wouldn't worry about renewing one early. In the unlikely event of an emergency, the passport is still valid for flight departures.

The requirements for passport validity are for people who arrive in those countries for a land visit. Their governments want to make sure you won't stay there beyond the expiration of your passport.
 

Since a passport technically isn't required for this cruise at all, I wouldn't worry about renewing one early. In the unlikely event of an emergency, the passport is still valid for flight departures.

So when do you run into a problem with the expiration date being within 60 or 90 days, or whatever the particular country's policy is? Is it just flying INTO the country that you may be refused boarding on the plane? But not a problem when leaving?
 
So when do you run into a problem with the expiration date being within 60 or 90 days, or whatever the particular country's policy is? Is it just flying INTO the country that you may be refused boarding on the plane? But not a problem when leaving?

First, DCL should provide you guidance about the validity of your travel documents (you provided the expiration date when you checked in online, but you can call to confirm if you want). Once DCL is satisfied enough to transport you, the important thing, IMO, is to have a valid passport for emergency re-entry into the US.

The State Department website is a bit sloppy, for example when you look up Grenada, the Quick Facts section reports 6 months of passport validity, but when you expand the Exit, Entry and Visa Requirements section, it says, "... Grenada law requires all visitors to have a valid passport on entry/exit."

I don't see any validity requirements for your destinations when I search the IATA database (See the TIMATIC entries below), which I find easier to read than the contradictory State Department site. This is what the airlines use to confirm passenger travel documents. The treatment of cruise passengers is more relaxed than others arriving to stay, but the TIMATIC results are a good baseline.

All that said, I would renew the passport shortly after returning form the January cruise.

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TIMATIC RESULTS:
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St. Kitts-Nevis - Destination Passport

Passport required.
Document validity rules:
Passports and other documents accepted for entry must be valid for the period of intended stay.
The following are exempt from holding a visa:
A max. stay of 6 months
Important:
Nationals of USA who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone within the last 21 days will be refused entry.

Grenada - Destination Passport
The following regulations apply to children/minors:
Minors being nationals of USA under the age of 16, who are not in possession of an official photo ID, are required to present additional proof of identity (e.g. a school photo ID);
The following are exempt from holding a visa:
A max. stay of 3 months
Additional information:
Visitors are required to hold documents required for their next destination.

French West Indies - Destination Visa
The following are exempt from holding a visa:
A max. stay of 90 days:
Additional information:
Visitors are required to hold documents required for their next destination.
Important:
Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused entry.

Antigua and Barbuda - Destination Passport

Entry and Transit restrictions apply:
Visitors must hold return/onward tickets.
Important:
Passengers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone within the last 21 days will be refused entry.
The following are exempt from holding a visa:
Nationals of USA.
Additional information:
Visitors must hold proof of sufficient funds to cover their stay. The initial duration of stay for nationals of USA is determined by the Immigration Officer on arrival. Extension possible.

Barbados - Destination Passport
Passport required.
Document validity rules:
Passports and other documents accepted for entry must be valid for the period of intended stay.
The following are exempt from holding a visa:
Nationals of USA for a maximum stay of 6 months.
Additional information:
Visitors are required to hold proof of sufficient funds to cover their stay and documents required for their next destination.
 
So when do you run into a problem with the expiration date being within 60 or 90 days, or whatever the particular country's policy is? Is it just flying INTO the country that you may be refused boarding on the plane? But not a problem when leaving?
Yes, the passport validity date is for entry into a country by air. For example - when you fly to Europe, you usually need an extra 6 months left on your passport beyond the date you arrive. Once you have cleared Immigration in your European country, they don't know where you've gone or how long you'll be there. They don't want your passport to expire before you have returned home. You don't need to have 6 months (or whatever the country requires) left on your passport to leave the country.

Passports are recommended but not required for closed-loop cruises from US ports. Your son doesn't need a passport for this cruise. The fact that he has one is a good thing - just in case he were to have to fly home in an emergency. Unless he plans to get off the ship in one of the ports to stay for an extended period of time - his passport with an April expiration date will suffice. If it makes you feel better to renew the passport now - by all means do so. However, I personally wouldn't pay for an expedited renewal when it is not necessary.
 
First, DCL should provide you guidance about the validity of your travel documents (you provided the expiration date when you checked in online, but you can call to confirm if you want). Once DCL is satisfied enough to transport you, the important thing, IMO, is to have a valid passport for emergency re-entry into the US.

Actually, DCL is NOT the ultimate authority on validity of identification for cruising. Unfortunately, many guests have received inaccurate information from DCL. DCL's website refers U.S. residents to confirm through the State Department's website (or contact info available there) if they have any question of validity of their personal documents.

That said...I agree with others about the closed loop cruise and U.S. residents do not need a passport for the southern Caribbean cruises. So the shorter expiration date for OP's son's passport shouldn't be an issue. If OP feels more comfortable, he can expedite renewal of the passport.

Enjoy your cruise!
 
Actually, DCL is NOT the ultimate authority on validity of identification for cruising.

The United States Department of State isn't the ultimate authority for other countries' border requirements either; and I didn't say DCL were the ultimate authority. If I had, I wouldn't have provided voluminous information (with sources, so that people can do it themselves) showing how to look up the actual passport requirements for every country in the world. By all means, do not take my word for it ... look it up.

I did say they should provide guidance (as you mentioned, their guidance is to go to travel.state.gov, which is "correct-ish", IMHO, but hard to read), this is because if a carrier transports a passenger with invalid travel documents, the carrier can be fined. Specific law varies from country to country, for example, in the US, 19 CFR 4.7b requires that carrier verify that the document appears to be valid for travel to the United States.

This causes carriers to be very conservative in their reading of each country's rules, and it causes some agents of carriers to be afraid of causing a fine. This is also where the very conservative 6 month "rule of thumb" for Europe comes from; Schengen member countries all have a 3 month passport validity requirement. They also have a 3 month base length of stay ... if the carrier (or the country) assumes that the passenger may stay for the whole 3 months, then the passenger would need 6 months of validity on their passport.

In the end, none of the destinations on the OPs itinerary have any validity requirement, as far as I can tell. Again, I provided the source that I have used successfully for many years of travel and it has never led me to be denied entry to a country.
 
An essential question which I may have missed is how old is your son? That makes a difference.

In an absolute worst case scenario, his passport / birth certificate are valid to get him back into the United States (That's valid up to the last day and Birth Certificates are always valid). An individual port of call might refuse him right of entry which just means he has to stay on the ship. The transporting authority is charged with returning someone to the country of origin if they are not allowed into the destination country. Not really a problem in this case since the ship is coming back anyway!
 
At both Grand Cayman and Cozumel, they did not check passports upon entry/exit (my wife wanted to get her passport stamped, which required us to search out places which would stamp the passports). Ironically, the only place that really checked ID was Castaway Cay, which checked Driver's License in addition to Key to the World when re-boarding the Disney Magic.
 
I did say they should provide guidance (as you mentioned, their guidance is to go to travel.state.gov, which is "correct-ish", IMHO, but hard to read), this is because if a carrier transports a passenger with invalid travel documents, the carrier can be fined. Specific law varies from country to country, for example, in the US, 19 CFR 4.7b requires that carrier verify that the document appears to be valid for travel to the United States.

The only people who are that level of authorities aren't with DCL; they are at the time of boarding. You can't contact them ahead of time.


This is not something I personally would worry about. If you can get there with just a birth certificate and ID (if old enough to need the ID), I wouldn't worry about the 6 month thing. Bring both. Show the passport, and if someone has an issue, give them the BC and a driver's license. Done.
 
If it helps at all, my son and I just applied for our very first passports and didn't place any kind of a rush on it and we just received them 2 and a 1/2 weeks later in the mail when we were told it would take at least 6 I believe.. Maybe you have time to reapply
 
If it helps at all, my son and I just applied for our very first passports and didn't place any kind of a rush on it and we just received them 2 and a 1/2 weeks later in the mail when we were told it would take at least 6 I believe.. Maybe you have time to reapply
The old passport has to be relinquished to get a new one, so I wouldn't suggest the OP do that without paying for expedited service. Again - it isn't necessary for the passport to be renewed before the cruise.
 

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