Parks dress code?

[WEDcryoHEAD]

But why should we accommodate the tastes of certain "Anglo based" religions and not Islam? If we're going to start worrying about the modesty standards for one religion, then surely we have to worry about the standards for all religions.

 

[sam_gordon]

But why should we accommodate the tastes of certain "Anglo based" religions and not Islam? If we're going to start worrying about the modesty standards for one religion, then surely we have to worry about the standards for all religions.

Only if you want to be "inclusive".

 

[WEDcryoHEAD]

Totally agree. That was not the point I was making. Others just kept assuming I was referring to Islam. I think we should be more tolerant of everyone and their beliefs. Not saying that everyone should be made to wear a hijab or cover head to toe. Just be respectful of those who may be offended by outfits that are lewd (including curses, political statements, etc. on clothing). Like another poster stated there are many young people who now come out in clothing or the lack there of just to say I can do what I want and F U and I don't care what you think or how you feel. IMO that is the more intolerant point of view. That is the them saying the way I think and feel is the only thing that is valid and the way you think and feel does not matter. I just wonder how those that say they are te most tolerant do not see that they are very intolerant of the thoughts and feeling of anyone who does not have the same thoughts and feeling s as they do.

 

[RoseGold]

Like another poster stated there are many young people who now come out in clothing or the lack there of just to say I can do what I want and F U and I don't care what you think or how you feel.

You're still here, dude? It's a stranger wearing clothes that are OK with the property owner (Disney). If it's making you "feel" some way, that's a you problem.

Go when it's freezing, if you can't stand to see humans wearing skimpy clothes. Or don't go. Again, a you problem with many simple solutions.

 

[BrianL]

Totally agree. That was not the point I was making. Others just kept assuming I was referring to Islam. I think we should be more tolerant of everyone and their beliefs. Not saying that everyone should be made to wear a hijab or cover head to toe. Just be respectful of those who may be offended by outfits that are lewd (including curses, political statements, etc. on clothing). Like another poster stated there are many young people who now come out in clothing or the lack there of just to say I can do what I want and F U and I don't care what you think or how you feel. IMO that is the more intolerant point of view. That is the them saying the way I think and feel is the only thing that is valid and the way you think and feel does not matter. I just wonder how those that say they are te most tolerant do not see that they are very intolerant of the thoughts and feeling of anyone who does not have the same thoughts and feeling s as they do.

The thing is though is that it's nobody's business what anyone else wears to Disney Worls - except Disney's. We've already established that they have a dress code. That is their perogative and also their perogative to enforce it (or not). They have this in place to try to make most people feel comfortable - however that can never work for everyone as people have different ideas of what is appropriate. The dress code represents what Disney thinks is appropriate, and I do agree that they should enforce that as written. This applies to any establishment as well as they can dictate their own dress codes. If you don't agree with that dress code then you have the option to not go to those places.

 

[BrianL]

You're still here, dude? It's a stranger wearing clothes that are OK with the property owner (Disney). If it's making you "feel" some way, that's a you problem.

Go when it's freezing, if you can't stand to see humans wearing skimpy clothes. Or don't go. Again, a you problem with many simple solutions.

Maaan, there's always some goon walking around in shorts and crocs when it's freezing out! Yeah, dude, you're oh so tough. How's that wet-zone seat at Fantasmic! treating ya?

 

[gmi3804]

The implication that people who aren't "religious" would be more tolerant of lewd/suggestive/tacky/provocative/[whatever you want to call it] dress smacks of self-righteousness and superiority, whether it was intended or not.

To paraphrase John Waters, better to have bad taste than no taste.

 

[RoseGold]

Maaan, there's always some goon walking around in shorts and crocs when it's freezing out!

If you're offended by Crocs, Florida is probably not the place for you...

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

So I do know they were having issues because people on TikTok and social media specifically will wear trespass worthy clothing to get a free shirt or spirit jersey and it caused issues. BUT something in your initial statement set something off in me so here we go. AND Mods as always you are the real deal here-please let me know if I need to edit/if something is in violation of something. You are all the real deal and I respect and thank you.

Story time:

Last summer at Knotts I was in a Snoopy t shirt, shorts that went to my knees and sneakers. And in the end was accosted in line by people basically telling me I was blasphemous and against their religion and that my headship (meaning my father or husband) should be ashamed they let me, a fully grown adult woman in normal clothing for a hot day, out at all. I’m not going to repeat everything here but that was the basis of it. Plus I describe it better in my trip report.

As someone who studied religion for her college thesis, I have never disrespected anyone wearing anything regarded to their religion. And at theme parks, I have witnessed CMs and TM s explain for safety reasons why whatever they are wearing will not allow them on the ride in the most professional and respectful of ways. Never an issue. The first amendment is freedom of speech, religion, press, petition and assembly. I respect that.

Not to get political/release my frustrations at you-and I am in agreement that if there is lewd/suspicious content it should be enforced- but to base things off religion when I and others have respected whatever people are wearing and to still be harassed and accosted when I did nothing wrong is what gets me fired up.

Again I totally agree lewd/suspicious is against dress code. Which means wearing a shirt that says the infamous four letter f word, or if someone doing something lewd or has a threatening message: yes enforce it. But to base something off someone else’s religion? Nope sorry direct violation first amendment.

 

[WEDcryoHEAD]

The implication that people who aren't "religious" would be more tolerant of lewd/suggestive/tacky/provocative/[whatever you want to call it] dress smacks of self-righteousness and superiority, whether it was intended or not.

To paraphrase John Waters, better to have bad taste than no taste.

I can see how it can be construed that way. Not my intention. As I said. I am not religious. I am Christened as a Christian but have not attended a service in almost 20 years.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'm just an old hippie chick. Free, loving and compassionate...not militant. Although in my day we weren't nasty or hurtful. I attempt to carry this into my life today. I'm no prude although Im sure this would surprise some and they would strongly disagree. I believe in being considerate and respectful. If visiting i.e. a Muslim county I dress appropriately also when visiting a Catholic church in Europe, etc. Just because you HAVE the right...doesn't MAKE it right! Too many encourage division not inclusion...consideration or respect. JMO Peace out!

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

I'm just an old hippie chick. Free, loving and compassionate...not militant. Although in my day we weren't nasty or hurtful. I attempt to carry this into my life today. I'm no prude although Im sure this would surprise some and they would strongly disagree. I believe in being considerate and respectful. If visiting i.e. a Muslim county I dress appropriately also when visiting a Catholic church in Europe, etc. Just because you HAVE the right...doesn't MAKE it right! Too many encourage division not inclusion...consideration or respect. JMO Peace out!

I am the same way in regards to dressing. I sat shiva a few years back before the pandemic and I hadn’t sat shiva in over a decade and I googled to make sure there weren’t any change to when I last sat. Your last line is going to stick with me for a long time.

 

[WEDcryoHEAD]

I'm just an old hippie chick. Free, loving and compassionate...not militant. Although in my day we weren't nasty or hurtful. I attempt to carry this into my life today. I'm no prude although Im sure this would surprise some and they would strongly disagree. I believe in being considerate and respectful. If visiting i.e. a Muslim county I dress appropriately also when visiting a Catholic church in Europe, etc. Just because you HAVE the right...doesn't MAKE it right! Too many encourage division not inclusion...consideration or respect. JMO Peace out!

YES THIS.

"Just because you have the right, doesn't make it right." There are so many that are encouraging division in the name of inclusion because they are in opposition to anything short of explicit lock step with what they feel should be happening. There is no consideration or respect for views opposite their own. So well said. Better than I can articulate. I think I will bow out on your Mic Drop.

 

[rlk]

I can not imagine caring so much about other people's attire.

And my childhood years were filled with tube tops, halter tops with thin tie backs and school gym attire, a la sold by the school, that resembled underwear.

Let me see if I can find that blast from the past. Can not find them. Adidas sold them too. Smaller than this -

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They were shaped differently though, almost like underwear but with fitted, sometimes heavy elastic at the legs. Someone needs to find me that throwback picture.

And as for the ogled talk, some people do not mind being ogled.

This is what I had to wear throughout junior high

 

[Kwami]

Only if you want to be "inclusive".

Or, we could just not worry about whether some religious people feel uncomfortable with the way others dress. If we're not in a place of worship or religious significance, then what the rest of us wear is none of their business. That applies equally to any religion.

I do wonder if a man could get away with wearing what so many women wear these days, though. I bet not. Disney probably wouldn't allow a man in a cut halter top and shorts that don't cover his butt cheeks into the park.

 

[mjkacmom]

A bra is an undergarment. A woman wearing a bra in DLR would be equivalent to a man wearing his briefs.

I’d say more like an undershirt.

 

[WEDcryoHEAD]

I’d say more like an undershirt.

i'd have to disagree. bra covers nothing but the breasts. T-shirt covers everything except the arms.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I do understand the arguments for inclusivity and the problem that people have with my argument that a person of a more modest nature should be able to go to the parks and enjoy them without being made uncomfortable. I get that they can simply stay home if things make them uncomfortable believe me. I get that. But I also argue that they shouldn't be forced to choose not to go and unfortunately for some cultural and religious differences and beliefs, that is the choice that has to be made. So my argument is that for those people there is no consideration made for their feelings or beliefs. Like one poster stated there will never be inclusivity that welcomes everybody. There is so much diversity that there will always be differences that just cannot be overcome.

Lastly, you stated "how is this still the mentality, that others need to conform to your personal beliefs?" I would say that looking at things from your perspective people with you beliefs on inclusivity do this same thing. There are several controversies going on in society today were lines are drawn along religious lines and those on your side of the argument basically say there is no validity to the other side of the argument. There are always two sides and there will always be one side that has the louder voices and shuts the other side down. I would just argue that we should all just listen to the other side of the argument and at least respect the opinion of those on that side, because it may be rooted in deeply held cultural or religious values. Just because you do not hold those values does not make them any less important or valid to those who do. I think Tolerance is what is most important and I would argue that my position is the more tolerant as I am not saying stay home or stop coming to the Parks I am just saying follow the dress code or Disney enforce the dress code and make the environment inclusive for all that wish to attend. You are arguing stay at home and don't tell me what to do, I don't care at all how you feel.

I think the crux of this lands on whose responsibility is it to accommodate and adhere to beliefs, values etc? Isn't it appropriate to question why women are literally ALWAYS the ones expected to bend and conform for the comfort of others, esp males? What is that exactly? Why don't these issues ever boomerang back at men?

Everytime there is an issue at hand taking power from a XX woman there is a XY male somewhere standing by waiting to steal that power from a XX female, the literal mothers of all life. This is so deep seated that most people don't even consider it as a point of view that can be rejected.

So again, blinders or very dark sunglasses or just avert the eyes like a decent human should know how to do. I know you think I am kidding, I am not kidding. It's time for men to be made uncomfortable and forced to bend a knee to their own weaknesses and live with the discomfort that adherence to their beliefs demands of them, if so maybe the world would be much better for it. If people have issues in conflict with those of women who were put here by the same One above to actually create life, then really, who has the problem?

 

[WEDcryoHEAD]

I think the crux of this lands on whose responsibility is it to accommodate and adhere to beliefs, values etc? Isn't it appropriate to question why women are literally ALWAYS the ones expected to bend and conform for the comfort of others, esp males? What is that exactly? Why don't these issues ever boomerang back at men?

Everytime there is an issue at hand taking power from a XX woman there is a XY male somewhere standing by waiting to steal that power from a XX female, the literal mothers of all life. This is so deep seated that most people don't even consider it as a point of view that can be rejected.

So again, blinders or very dark sunglasses or just avert the eyes like a decent human should know how to do. I know you think I am kidding, I am not kidding. It's time for men to be made uncomfortable and forced to bend a knee to their own weaknesses and live with the discomfort that adherence to their beliefs demands of them, if so maybe the world would be much better for it. If people have issues in conflict with those of women who were put here by the same One above to actually create life, then really, who has the problem?

I don't want to see men in bikini tops and short shorts either.

 

[Kwami]

I think the crux of this lands on whose responsibility is it to accommodate and adhere to beliefs, values etc? Isn't it appropriate to question why women are literally ALWAYS the ones expected to bend and conform for the comfort of others, esp males? What is that exactly? Why don't these issues ever boomerang back at men?

Everytime there is an issue at hand taking power from a XX woman there is a XY male somewhere standing by waiting to steal that power from a XX female, the literal mothers of all life. This is so deep seated that most people don't even consider it as a point of view that can be rejected.

So again, blinders or very dark sunglasses or just avert the eyes like a decent human should know how to do. I know you think I am kidding, I am not kidding. It's time for men to be made uncomfortable and forced to bend a knee to their own weaknesses and live with the discomfort that adherence to their beliefs demands of them, if so maybe the world would be much better for it. If people have issues in conflict with those of women who were put here by the same One above to actually create life, then really, who has the problem?

On the other hand, if you don't want people looking at something, then why are you leaving it exposed in public? I'm not going to change the way I'm looking just because you happen to walk into view with everything hanging out.