Parking at a monorail resort and ultimately going to park??

[aaarcher86]

wait, security told you exact info because of your capacity as a mod on the disboards wanting good info? again, the info you obtained may or may not have been true. what security levels are disboard mods? all due respect, they don't share there security procedures with anyone.most cms have no idea. they will give you an answer to most questions but the answer may or may not be what they are doing. the best advice you can give someone is to answer the guard truthfully and you will have nothing to worry about. if your going shopping, go shopping and leave. if your going to espn club, tell them what your doing. it makes every ones job easier. resort guest get to park at there resort. no need to worry if your car is going to be there when you get back. I was listening to a pod cast one day, cant remember which one it was but I no longer listen to pod cast. the host made the statement that they give so many free ice creams away at ice cream cart every hour. they have a quota. now, just with that bit of misinformation, hundreds even thousands of people walk up to some college kid working on a cart and demand or ask when do you give free ice cream. when they are not given there free ice cream, popcorn what ever, some people get nasty. name calling even will threaten cms. ( I know someone with first hand experience with those cases and she don't know how but security took care of it in seconds) unfortunately the world we live today.............its sad. most likely read that some where on the internet and made the untrue statement on the pod cast. it is amazing what just a little misinformation can do.

I didn't take her explanation as the guards going into detail. Just that they confirmed they have enforcement procedures for people who do this, which I don't think is out of line for a guard to confirm.

 

[dvczerfs]

I didn't take her explanation as thug adds going into detail. Just that they confirmed they have enforcement procedures for people who do this, which I don't think is out of line for a guard to confirm.

lol,all due respect, I give up. again, security will not confirm any procedures. if you don't believe me, contact security and ask them. they will tell you anything true or false. it is security issue. when they look in your bag, ask them what there looking for. im willing to bet you will get an answer, it may or may not be what they are looking for. there security issues, levels, types are highly guarded.
I agree with her or him 100 percent on the parking issues at resorts that sit in walking distance to parks.
they know what people are doing. they know where you go,why you go and even what restroom you use more then another. all before magic bands. if they want to stop it, they can and will.

 

[aaarcher86]

lol,all due respect, I give up. again, security will not confirm any procedures. if you don't believe me, contact security and ask them. they will tell you anything true or false. it is security issue. when they look in your bag, ask them what there looking for. im willing to bet you will get an answer, it may or may not be what they are looking for. there security issues, levels, types are highly guarded. I agree with her or him 100 percent on the parking issues at resorts that sit in walking distance to parks. they know what people are doing. they know where you go,why you go and even what restroom you use more then another. all before magic bands. if they want to stop it, they can and will.

I don't even know what you're saying at this point.

 

[sam_gordon]

wait, security told you exact info because of your capacity as a mod on the disboards wanting good info?
again, the info you obtained may or may not have been true. what security levels are disboard mods? all due respect, they don't share there security procedures with anyone.most cms have no idea. they will give you an answer to most questions but the answer may or may not be what they are doing.

I think goofy4tink asked her questions because she's a mod and to get answers. The CM she talked to didn't answer because she's a moderator.
And you are correct, the answer she was given may have been totally bogus. Should nothing cast members say (much less "security") be repeated here because it could be wrong?

the best advice you can give someone is to answer the guard truthfully and you will have nothing to worry about. if your going shopping, go shopping and leave. if your going to espn club, tell them what your doing. it makes every ones job easier. resort guest get to park at there resort. no need to worry if your car is going to be there when you get back.
I was listening to a pod cast one day, cant remember which one it was but I no longer listen to pod cast. the host made the statement that they give so many free ice creams away at ice cream cart every hour. they have a quota. now, just with that bit of misinformation, hundreds even thousands of people walk up to some college kid working on a cart and demand or ask when do you give free ice cream. when they are not given there free ice cream, popcorn what ever, some people get nasty. name calling even will threaten cms. ( I know someone with first hand experience with those cases and she don't know how but security took care of it in seconds)
unfortunately the world we live today.............its sad.
most likely read that some where on the internet and made the untrue statement on the pod cast. it is amazing what just a little misinformation can do.

People have been giving out bad information well before the beginning of the internet. Boards like Dis simply make that bad information spread further and faster.

In your example, I would hope the podcast host had SOMETHING to back that up, but even if they did, I think they were negligent to pass on something without independent backup.

Even if goofy4tink was told incorrect information, what's the downside?

 

[goofy4tink]

wait, security told you exact info because of your capacity as a mod on the disboards wanting good info?
again, the info you obtained may or may not have been true. what security levels are disboard mods? all due respect, they don't share there security procedures with anyone.most cms have no idea. they will give you an answer to most questions but the answer may or may not be what they are doing.
the best advice you can give someone is to answer the guard truthfully and you will have nothing to worry about. if your going shopping, go shopping and leave. if your going to espn club, tell them what your doing. it makes every ones job easier. resort guest get to park at there resort. no need to worry if your car is going to be there when you get back.
I was listening to a pod cast one day, cant remember which one it was but I no longer listen to pod cast. the host made the statement that they give so many free ice creams away at ice cream cart every hour. they have a quota. now, just with that bit of misinformation, hundreds even thousands of people walk up to some college kid working on a cart and demand or ask when do you give free ice cream. when they are not given there free ice cream, popcorn what ever, some people get nasty. name calling even will threaten cms. ( I know someone with first hand experience with those cases and she don't know how but security took care of it in seconds)
unfortunately the world we live today.............its sad.
most likely read that some where on the internet and made the untrue statement on the pod cast. it is amazing what just a little misinformation can do.

lol,all due respect, I give up. again, security will not confirm any procedures. if you don't believe me, contact security and ask them. they will tell you anything true or false. it is security issue. when they look in your bag, ask them what there looking for. im willing to bet you will get an answer, it may or may not be what they are looking for. there security issues, levels, types are highly guarded.
I agree with her or him 100 percent on the parking issues at resorts that sit in walking distance to parks.
they know what people are doing. they know where you go,why you go and even what restroom you use more then another. all before magic bands. if they want to stop it, they can and will.

To clarify....I asked security because I wanted to get as up to date info as I could. I certainly didn't walk up to the security guy in the parking lot, saying 'Hey, I'm a big time moderator on an unofficial Disney online community. Can you give me the low down, the truth, about what you're doing? Not that crap you tell the 'average' person/guest, but the real truth, cause you know...I'm pretty important and almost official.'
Seriously now. There are some things I believe and some things I don't. I don't take what I'm told (sadly)by CMs on the phone. But if I ask security, after watching them repeatedly, about the proceedure for parking at a resort that you aren't staying at? I have to assume they are telling me the truth. Why would they lie? We aren't talking about national security here...merely about whether or not you can park at the CR/BLT and go to a park if you aren't staying at either BLT or CR, even if you eat there. It's really pretty simple.
I don't much care what happens at ice cream carts. I've been to WDW more times than I can count at this point. I've never seen a free ice cream handed out but I've never seen any issue about not getting a free ice cream happen either. I can speak only to what I see or what I've been told.


So, I have to ask. Have you been told, by security or someone else, that it's okay to park at a resort and then go to a park for the day? I have been told, by CMs in both valet and security that I can do this, but.....
1. this applies to valet almost all the time
2. it can apply to self-parking if security tells you it's okay. There are a lot of situations where it will not be okay. You can't just assume that you can self-park and leave your car there for the day.

There are parking lots for the parks for a reason. You want to eat at the CR, Polynesian or G, and then head to the MK? Park at the TTC and take Disney transportation to your final destination. There will always be some form of transportation offered.
Want to go to either DHS or Epcot after eating at BW, BC, YC, S or D? Park at DHS and walk or boat to your destination.

And thank-you sam_gordon for getting it!!

 

[goofy4tink]

Let me add one thing here.....I post what I'm told by Disney CMs so that people will know what Disney's 'stand' on something is. I can't be responsible if another CM tells someone else something different, or allows them to do something contrary to what I've heard and posted here.
When I ask several different CMs, at the same resort as well as at other resorts, the same question and get the same answer, then I have to believe there is some truth to the answer. Now it may very well be that I am being giving the Disney 'answer'. But at the end of the day, isn't that all we can hope for?
I can't, for the life of me, understand why some feel that they know better and that the answers I've gotten right from CMs mouths are wrong. Could there be other proceedures in place? Sure. But I highly doubt those parking lot security CMs are telling me one thing and then doing something else because they don't want me to know the high level security proceedures in place. There is signage that goes up at almost every resort that has immediate park access that states parking at that resort for park access is not allowed. Is this signage up at all times? No. But it exists. So, I'm pretty sure that if Disney wants to track how long your car has been sitting in a resort parking lot, without identifying 'resident' status on the dashboard, then they can. And I'm pretty sure that if they decide that said car has been there too long to have been at a restaurant, so they remove it, again, pretty sure they can.

 

[msb578]

A few people mentioned security not caring about having parking passes from other Disney resorts.

My experience was the opposite. They did pay attention to the pass, while at the same time scanning my MB. It makes them aware that you're not going to "steal" anything (monetarily) by avoiding the parking fee. It seemed to make them less skeptical. This was at Wilderness Lodge and the Boardwalk, where I did *not* have ADRs, but just wanted to shop.

Keeping your car there all day is still stealing in a different way- you're taking a resort guest's spot, as many others have said.

 

[goofy4tink]

A few people mentioned security not caring about having parking passes from other Disney resorts.

My experience was the opposite. They did pay attention to the pass, while at the same time scanning my MB. It makes them aware that you're not going to "steal" anything (monetarily) by avoiding the parking fee. It seemed to make them less skeptical. This was at Wilderness Lodge and the Boardwalk, where I did *not* have ADRs, but just wanted to shop.

Keeping your car there all day is still stealing in a different way- you're taking a resort guest's spot, as many others have said.

Thanks for mentioning that. There are some that think you are free to park anywhere you want to, on-site, if you are staying at any WDW resort. They feel that as long as they have that dashboard slip showing, they can park at the CR or BW and head anywhere they want. My issue is why would you think that you can take a perk that others are paying hugely for, when you are staying at a value or even a moderate resort..resorts that do not offer these park access perks.

This is getting to be a silly discussion. If you want to eat at a MK resort and then leave your car for the day while you head to the MK, fine. But just be aware of what some of us have been told. And pay attention to the time of year. If there is signage up, don't even try to get in and self park.
As long as you realize that you are taking something that you really aren't paying for, go for it. And no, eating at Chef Mickey's isn't considered 'paying for the perk of walking to MK'. Same goes for eating at Flying Fish or elswhere along the Boardwalk area.

 

[grimley1968]

wait, security told you exact info because of your capacity as a mod on the disboards wanting good info?
again, the info you obtained may or may not have been true. what security levels are disboard mods? all due respect, they don't share there security procedures with anyone.most cms have no idea. they will give you an answer to most questions but the answer may or may not be what they are doing.
the best advice you can give someone is to answer the guard truthfully and you will have nothing to worry about. if your going shopping, go shopping and leave. if your going to espn club, tell them what your doing. it makes every ones job easier. resort guest get to park at there resort. no need to worry if your car is going to be there when you get back.
I was listening to a pod cast one day, cant remember which one it was but I no longer listen to pod cast. the host made the statement that they give so many free ice creams away at ice cream cart every hour. they have a quota. now, just with that bit of misinformation, hundreds even thousands of people walk up to some college kid working on a cart and demand or ask when do you give free ice cream. when they are not given there free ice cream, popcorn what ever, some people get nasty. name calling even will threaten cms. ( I know someone with first hand experience with those cases and she don't know how but security took care of it in seconds)
unfortunately the world we live today.............its sad.
most likely read that some where on the internet and made the untrue statement on the pod cast. it is amazing what just a little misinformation can do.

It's hard to believe someone could work in a reference to fictional free ice cream in a thread about resort parking lot security. But it happened.

Anyway, I have personally seen a car being towed out of the Poly lot. It could have a) been wrecked or b) violated parking policy. Since it looked like a fairly recent vintage car with no visible damage, I personally concluded b) was much more likely. Occam's Razor. I could have stuck around and asked someone what was going on, but it was my vacation after all.

I don't personally want to ask the parking lot CMs what their policy is or how it's enforced. I can see it with my own eyes when I see the signage stating the policy, and then later see an actual car being towed. Just follow the stated rules and no one needs to be towed.

As for the moderator who asked about security, I read her post that she asked her question because she wanted to get information for these boards, not that she was waving some lime green DISboards badge in front of the security guards asking the questions. It's a mystery to me how her post came to be conflated with what you're saying. Her post seemed clear to me. I'm appreciative that she took time out of her vacation to ask about that, because it's something I usually would feel too rushed to do.

 

[dvczerfs]

I was just simply saying security controls the parking lots. They have there reasons at curtain times, I'm guessing they have certain levels of security.
Used a few examples and in true disboards fashion the place goes nuts. Didn't claim I know more then anyone else. Didn't name call like some on these boards. Wasn't arguing. Just made a true statement about there security which I know a few people who has dealt with it.
I'm glad you have been there more then you can count. Just said there security is guarded and the answers you get may or May not be true.
That's all. As far as your comment about national security, wdw is the largest tourist destination in the world, like you, I'm sure security do t care about some things and care about others.
Wow! Simply amazing.

 

[sam_gordon]

I was just simply saying security controls the parking lots. They have there reasons at curtain times, I'm guessing they have certain levels of security.
Used a few examples and in true disboards fashion the place goes nuts. Didn't claim I know more then anyone else. Didn't name call like some on these boards. Wasn't arguing. Just made a true statement about there security which I know a few people who has dealt with it.
I'm glad you have been there more then you can count. Just said there security is guarded and the answers you get may or May not be true.
That's all. As far as your comment about national security, wdw is the largest tourist destination in the world, like you, I'm sure security do t care about some things and care about others.
Wow! Simply amazing.

Personally, I don't think the place "went nuts" much less called anyone any names. There were a couple people who disagreed with the way you read goofy4tink's post.

Yes, I agree security (anywhere) won't tell you "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth", and it's very possible goofy4tink was told a lie. Maybe the guy was writing down bumper stickers or colors of the car. But she was told what she was told. Should she not relay that information because it might be a lie?

I still don't understand what your complaint about her post is.

 

[goofy4tink]

Ok, I'll bite. Who said anything about 'national security'?

I report what I've been told since I'm pretty sure that's the policy that Disney wants followed...otherwise, why would all those CMs say the exact same thing? I don't believe I ever said that I was getting the entire security plan. My issue here? Why is it that my info is said to be 'lesser' while someone else(that is taking issue with my posted info) says their info is correct? Are you a security CM? So you personally know someone in WDW that works in this capacity?
I completely agree that there is much more to all aspects of security at WDW than we/I have been told. And that's how it should be. But to take issue with my reporting what I have been told, by those in security, saying its not true and I'm not being told the whole story? Sorry...I'm just reporting what I'm told. You can believe it or not.

 

[dvczerfs]

To clarify....I asked security because I wanted to get as up to date info as I could. I certainly didn't walk up to the security guy in the parking lot, saying 'Hey, I'm a big time moderator on an unofficial Disney online community. Can you give me the low down, the truth, about what you're doing? Not that crap you tell the 'average' person/guest, but the real truth, cause you know...I'm pretty important and almost official.'
Seriously now. There are some things I believe and some things I don't. I don't take what I'm told (sadly)by CMs on the phone. But if I ask security, after watching them repeatedly, about the proceedure for parking at a resort that you aren't staying at? I have to assume they are telling me the truth. Why would they lie? We aren't talking about national security here...merely about whether or not you can park at the CR/BLT and go to a park if you aren't staying at either BLT or CR, even if you eat there. It's really pretty simple.
I don't much care what happens at ice cream carts. I've been to WDW more times than I can count at this point. I've never seen a free ice cream handed out but I've never seen any issue about not getting a free ice cream happen either. I can speak only to what I see or what I've been told.


So, I have to ask. Have you been told, by security or someone else, that it's okay to park at a resort and then go to a park for the day? I have been told, by CMs in both valet and security that I can do this, but.....
1. this applies to valet almost all the time
2. it can apply to self-parking if security tells you it's okay. There are a lot of situations where it will not be okay. You can't just assume that you can self-park and leave your car there for the day.

There are parking lots for the parks for a reason. You want to eat at the CR, Polynesian or G, and then head to the MK? Park at the TTC and take Disney transportation to your final destination. There will always be some form of transportation offered.
Want to go to either DHS or Epcot after eating at BW, BC, YC, S or D? Park at DHS and walk or boat to your destination.

And thank-you sam_gordon for getting it!!

to answer your question...... you did.

Ok, I'll bite. Who said anything about 'national security'?

I report what I've been told since I'm pretty sure that's the policy that Disney wants followed...otherwise, why would all those CMs say the exact same thing? I don't believe I ever said that I was getting the entire security plan. My issue here? Why is it that my info is said to be 'lesser' while someone else(that is taking issue with my posted info) says their info is correct? Are you a security CM? So you personally know someone in WDW that works in this capacity?
I completely agree that there is much more to all aspects of security at WDW than we/I have been told. And that's how it should be. But to take issue with my reporting what I have been told, by those in security, saying its not true and I'm not being told the whole story? Sorry...I'm just reporting what I'm told. You can believe it or not.

you win ok!!! I tried to explain myself, again, I didn't say I know anything, I didn't try to lessen your all mighty post and if I did im sorry.
i just stated that security will tell you anything etc..... i didn't say your info was incorrect.i didn't say all cms are full of it. i tried to give some example and they were taken wrong also so i will just leave. i will no longer post in any thread your involved in, heck you can even close my account if i offended you.at this point i can careless. my opinion of what little i know don't compare to the great knowledge of Disney and operations some have on the boards.
people take bits and pieces out of a statement that were made in response to another post that was made and run with it. so i misunderstood part of one of your post. if i dare say, you misunderstood my post also.
you have a pm button, if i twisted you off so bad on a misunderstanding. im not sure what you want at this point?

 

[grimley1968]

I was just simply saying security controls the parking lots. They have there reasons at curtain times, I'm guessing they have certain levels of security.
Used a few examples and in true disboards fashion the place goes nuts. Didn't claim I know more then anyone else. Didn't name call like some on these boards. Wasn't arguing. Just made a true statement about there security which I know a few people who has dealt with it.
I'm glad you have been there more then you can count. Just said there security is guarded and the answers you get may or May not be true.
That's all. As far as your comment about national security, wdw is the largest tourist destination in the world, like you, I'm sure security do t care about some things and care about others.
Wow! Simply amazing.

I'm hard of hearing. A lot of what people say to me sounds jumbled and makes no sense until it's repeated clearly after I say, "What?"

To be honest, this post is a written example of what my hearing is often like. It makes me want to say, "What?" even though I can read every word.

Things I don't understand from this post:

a) curtain times. What are those?
b) "the place goes nuts". I haven't seen that.
c) I haven't seen any name-calling in this thread. I've not seen it in response to your posts or anyone else's in this thread.
d) I don't know who has said they have been there more than they can count. Maybe I missed it. Even if I did, I don't understand what that has to do with your point, whatever that is.
e) I haven't seen anyone talking about national security.

Like someone else said earlier, I have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

 

[sam_gordon]

For the record... goofy4tink brought up national security... (note the bolded)...

To clarify....I asked security because I wanted to get as up to date info as I could. I certainly didn't walk up to the security guy in the parking lot, saying 'Hey, I'm a big time moderator on an unofficial Disney online community. Can you give me the low down, the truth, about what you're doing? Not that crap you tell the 'average' person/guest, but the real truth, cause you know...I'm pretty important and almost official.'
Seriously now. There are some things I believe and some things I don't. I don't take what I'm told (sadly)by CMs on the phone. But if I ask security, after watching them repeatedly, about the proceedure for parking at a resort that you aren't staying at? I have to assume they are telling me the truth. Why would they lie? We aren't talking about national security here...merely about whether or not you can park at the CR/BLT and go to a park if you aren't staying at either BLT or CR, even if you eat there. It's really pretty simple.
I don't much care what happens at ice cream carts. I've been to WDW more times than I can count at this point. I've never seen a free ice cream handed out but I've never seen any issue about not getting a free ice cream happen either. I can speak only to what I see or what I've been told.


So, I have to ask. Have you been told, by security or someone else, that it's okay to park at a resort and then go to a park for the day? I have been told, by CMs in both valet and security that I can do this, but.....
1. this applies to valet almost all the time
2. it can apply to self-parking if security tells you it's okay. There are a lot of situations where it will not be okay. You can't just assume that you can self-park and leave your car there for the day.

There are parking lots for the parks for a reason. You want to eat at the CR, Polynesian or G, and then head to the MK? Park at the TTC and take Disney transportation to your final destination. There will always be some form of transportation offered.
Want to go to either DHS or Epcot after eating at BW, BC, YC, S or D? Park at DHS and walk or boat to your destination.

And thank-you sam_gordon for getting it!!

 

[goofy4tink]

Sam_gordon....there is a reason you shouldn't proof read your own writing! Dang...I went back and reread my posts just to be sure! Thanks for finding it for me.

As far as my being upset or tweaked goes...nope, nothing could be further from the truth. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and viewpoints here. I responded as I did when what I was told, by a CM, was questioned, and told that I probably hadn't received the truth or the entire 'story'. I can only report what I am told. I try to be very careful what I post as 'fact' since I don't want someone's trip to be negatively impacted by my info. And yep, that's where the whole 'there is no pixie dust on the Transportation board' comes from.

So, I will continue to put the info I'm given out there. Feel free to question it. But....I am not going to back down when told my info is either incorrect or incomplete unless it can be shown that its wrong. I will take info from multiple CMs as good info. I seldom take the word of just one CM. I like to ask several, at different resorts, to be sure it is the same everywhere. With that, I move along go other threads. Feel free to carry on here.....politely.

 

[goofy4tink]

I'm hard of hearing. A lot of what people say to me sounds jumbled and makes no sense until it's repeated clearly after I say, "What?"

To be honest, this post is a written example of what my hearing is often like. It makes me want to say, "What?" even though I can read every word.

Things I don't understand from this post:

a) curtain times. What are those?
b) "the place goes nuts". I haven't seen that.
c) I haven't seen any name-calling in this thread. I've not seen it in response to your posts or anyone else's in this thread.
d) I don't know who has said they have been there more than they can count. Maybe I missed it. Even if I did, I don't understand what that has to do with your point, whatever that is.
e) I haven't seen anyone talking about national security.

Like someone else said earlier, I have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

d.....well, that would have been me. I was just making a point that I'm not an occasional WDW visitor, and have seen a lot of 'stuff'. I wasn't trying to sound all-important.

I know I said I was done...almost there. Here's the issue. The OP asked about leaving their car at the CR, after eating, and heading to the MK for the day. I responded with what I know to be true....you can usually get away with it. But that disney has said it's against 'guidelines'. I said that I have asked multiple CMs, at various impacted resorts, what 'policy' is regarding parking at a resort for theme park access. I have been told you shouldn't do it, but it is seldom enforced. That there are times when it is strictly enforced. I have been told that they do note which cars are parked for lengthy periods of time without proper ID. I am sure there is a lot more extensive security going on. That wasn't my question...merely one that regarded parking. I tried to answer to the best of my knowledge, based on what I was told. That's all I can do.

If anyone has a question I can help with, terrific. Otherwise, I am now, really, moving on....really!

 

[darrengs]

This is one of the hot spot topics on Disboards. I think it may even have moved up to number one, now that the refillable mugs issue has been dealt with by Disney.

I would not be surprised that sometime in the future this will be rectified. I could see the automatic exit gates being replaced with gates that required a MB scan or a parking ticket be entered. Then if you are not a guest and have parked over the limit you can pay the parking fee.

 

[goofy4tink]

This is one of the hot spot topics on Disboards. I think it may even have moved up to number one, now that the refillable mugs issue has been dealt with by Disney. I would not be surprised that sometime in the future this will be rectified. I could see the automatic exit gates being replaced with gates that required a MB scan or a parking ticket be entered. Then if you are not a guest and have parked over the limit you can pay the parking fee.

From your mouth/post, to Disney's ears! I would love to see this happen. The majority of the parking lot would be MB accessible to those staying there. A smaller lot would be available for those 'visiting'. You get a parking ticket. If you are there less than 3 hrs, it's free. Longer than that, there's a charge.
Then there would be no issue.

 

[fairy oma]

Not to sound grumpy but I do not understand why people who have not paid for the stay at a Monorail/deluxe resort have a problem with not being able to park for over 3 hours for an ADR or to shop. If they wanted to park there they should have booked a stay at one of these resorts.

I agree they should park at the TTC and catch the boat or monorail for their ADR and shopping if they do not wish to pay Valet parking or risk the possibility of being towed. Security does patrol the lots for a reason and those who have paid for the right to stay at that resort should not have to hunt for a place to park when returning to their vacation resort.

I do not understand this sense of entitlement guests have for what they have not paid for. Rules are in place for a reason as well as for the security and well being of the resort's guests.