park hours from the 70's and 80's

My first trip to WDW was July 1976. I was totally blown away that MK was opened until 1am - with everyone out by 2am. I remember very well as a teenager, it was so cool after that 9pm fireworks all the "little ones" would leave, and therefore the park was almost empty! Talk about Enight! We were staying at the Poly for 4 nights - so guess when we went to MK to ride!
Those were the days!
 
I remember one time in the late 80s staying in the magic kingdom until the 6 am or so.

Did the magic kingdom really close at 7 every night off-season with no nightime entertainment during non-peak seasons? I am not sure about that. I don't remember. I do remember a lot of late night rides home. And not just when school was out for the summer, but for sure on the weekend, like Saturday. I can remember something like fireworks at 10 or 11 and park closing one hour later. I can remember Wendy's closed at midnight and we'd try to get there for frostys. Or something like that. I'm thinking of the Wendys in Leesburg, fwiw. We wouldn't get home till one or later. If it is true, I'd rather have it like it is now, for the selfish side of me, choice b, because I don't care what goes on the summer for my experience. I'm not a kid anymore and I don't live in Fl anymore, and I wouldn't go to Fl. during the summer! And if I did my seasonal pass wouldn't work then anyway and it would be too crowded. So I'd vote for off-season.

Land baron, you shouldn't copy cat AV for the snow globe bs, it is totally stupid, and even dumber when it is copied. I doubt if there is one snow globe between the people you listed, but whatever flips your trigger, I guess.

DR
 
Until the middle part of the 1990's, WDW's attendance was much more seasonal than it is today. While the summer time was roughly as busy as it is today, the "off season" usually saw only a fraction of the guests that go to WDW now.

Before year-round schools, changes in the work place and the general opening up of travel (anyone remember what ticket prices were like before deregulation) most people we forced into the "two week summer vacation". A family trip to WDW was piling everyone in the car, driving a couple days, having fun and driving back.

Disney has always known this was a problem. They even used to offer ways to get children school credit to encourage families to travel in the off season (and when it was unthinkable to take a kid out for a week of school just for a trip). It took over ten years to get the park attendance demographics to the level where it is today. There's still a big gap between the summer crowds and the winter crowds, but it's no where near what it used to be.

So keep that in mind when you compare hours. The Magic Kingdom didn't close at 7 pm because they were cheap – but because there was probably only about 20% of the people in the place as there would be today.
 
Interesting topic. I wish I could join in. But I have some business to attend to first. Please bear with me.

Thanks!!! :)




Land baron, you shouldn't copy cat AV for the snow globe bs, it is totally stupid, and even dumber when it is copied. I doubt if there is one snow globe between the people you listed, but whatever flips your trigger, I guess.
Well!! Isn’t that nice!! Just what the DIS needs!! A post critic!! Oh goodie!

D.R. gives LandBaron a ‘thumbs down’ for his use of “Snow Globes”!! Ebert still unsure, but says, the balcony is closed!!

Tell me, is there anything else I should do? I certainly want to make sure I conform to your idea of how I should post things. Any particular phrases that need to go? Maybe there’s a little too much ‘philosophy’ talk? How about when I use two exclamation points (sort of a trademark, I thought)? What about CAPITAL LETTERS? Or when I go BOLD? Maybe that’s even dumber that snow globes? What’d ya think? Please let me know. I wouldn’t want to post something that you might not like. Maybe we can get Sara to staple it to the top of the board. Right in-between Addresses and Car Pools. That way I can always have it as a quick reference.

So, come on, critic of the DIS!!! Is there anything else that I do that is ‘totally stupid’? Like maybe put a message like this one in a post INSTEAD OF A PM!!!

It really left me little choice as to how to address it! What did you expect me to do? Ignore it!?!?!?! Just because you don’t understand the snow globe reference doesn’t automatically define it as pointless! Oh! Yeah!! How about that!!!??? Just because D.R. doesn’t understand something, doesn’t make it wrong!! I’ll bet that D.R. might not understand all the intricacies of E=MC2. But guess what D.R.!?! Just because you don’t ‘GET IT’ doesn’t make Einstein wrong?!!?

Believe it or not D.R. it is a wonderful metaphor. I suggest you examine it, instead of dismissing it. Maybe it hits a bit too close to home!!!

In either case please leave this stuff off the boards. If you really feel compelled, PM it!! We really don’t need a post critic!!!

Thank you.
 

Originally posted by Walt's Frozen Head
May I simply say that I suspect one day AV will wish he'd never mentioned the damn snow-globes in the first place...
There yet...............??

Believe it or not D.R. it is a wonderful metaphor. I suggest you examine it, instead of dismissing it.
Sorry Baron, not really. You seem to.........hell, Baron - check you PM. I had a few things to say that I started to put in this post, but maybe a PM is better :(.
 
I had a few things to say that I started to put in this post, but maybe a PM is better

Thank you.

That's the way it should be handled. Now, next time there's no need for even this.
 
Originally posted by Another Voice
So keep that in mind when you compare hours. The Magic Kingdom didn't close at 7 pm because they were cheap – but because there was probably only about 20% of the people in the place as there would be today.

So they are really socking it to us now, eh?
 
I think I would rather have the full hours during the summer with all kinds of events, and then a reduced off-season. This means that two trips a year would have some purpose. As it is, the off-season Spectromagic on a Saturday night is a disaster. It is overly packed, and as much as we would like to see it on our trip in September, I am wondering if we will decide not to bother when the crowd gets crazy.
 
Tell me, is there anything else I should do?

well actually baron there have been a few things that I wish you would do differently, but I don't point them out or really care that much - but if you are going to put my name in your slurring little metaphors that I just can't understand, don't be surprised or act all indignant if I dare to say in public, heaven forbid, that it is lame. Please. If I hurt your feelings I apologize, I wasn't setting out to be mean.

Ah, yes, Tekneek, but this past May there were two spectros during the week - the weekday one was a disaster, and the Saturday one was a breeze because everyone thought the saturday one would be a disaster and went to the weekeday one. Needs some tweeking, but I'm glad they are doing the tweeking.

AV the summer crowds were also higher when there was only one theme park instead of four, and even though I know a lot of people can't accept this, before the terrorism, war, economy, etc.

Now here is the thing-
the "off season" usually saw only a fraction of the guests that go to WDW now.

Before year-round schools, changes in the work place and the general opening up of travel (anyone remember what ticket prices were like before deregulation) most people we forced into the "two week summer vacation"

Now, if we accept this is true, and it seems reasonable enough, then if there was an increase in off-season travel, wouldn't we expect to see a proportional decrease in summer travel? E.g., if the kids are in year-round school and are now going during their two weeks off in October, how can they come in July? Right? So if that is the case, wouldn't we conclude that the hours that were described here - somewhat shorter summer hours, slightly longer off-season hours and more night time entertainment off-season, was an appropriate response to this societal change in vacation habits?

Also, why would summer attendance levels be flat? How could they be? Is it just that more people are going to wdw than they were in the past, or people are making more frequent trips (obviously, with four parks, there are many more guest days today, but I mean in some proportional way; if it is the case that off-season travel is higher and summer is basically level then there would have to be proportionally higher attendance today, correct?)

Now let me say that of course I don't think this change in attendance patterns would explain all of the variance in park hours from the 70s/80s to the 00s. I think that having four theme parks rather than one makes the distribution of people throughout the resort more complex (and so one should consider the resort as a whole and not their favorite theme park when examining park hours), but if the theory that more people are traveling during off-season is actually correct, then the hour changes as described seem appropriate. Thank you for making the point for that perspective, I hadn't considered it, but it rings true.
 
d-r, I have the seasonal pass too, so in the A scenario, I'd be limited to early June and late August. I just hate the overcrowding and the cattle herding at the end of the parades. I also remember when Disney would advertise to go in the evening as that was the least crowded time to go. They were right too!

Tekneek, ITA with you. But, I think it doesn't matter really-I think too many people expect nighttime events year-round, so they can't ever go back to the A scenario. You can't put the genie back in the bottle!

AV, I love reading your posts, and thanks for clarifying the differences between now and then. As the child of a teacher, you can believe we weren't taken out of school for vacations!! We didn't miss school for nothin'! ;)
 
Originally posted by disneygeek
I am not familiar with the season pass. Could someone brieefly clue me in?

It is only for Florida residents. It is cheaper than an AP but it has blackout dates associated with it where you can't use it at all.
 
how much summer hours have been cut...

All I can say is, in 1997 and in 1998 (my memory is foggy, maybe it was 1999) I am 100% certain that during the month of July we were in the MK until midnight on rides, with shops open until 1 a.m.

The 11-1 a.m. time was my absolute favorite time to be there.
 
About the seasonal pass....I was saying that I wouldn't visit Florida in the summer time, and then I was saying that even if I lived in Florida (and thus would be there in the summer time) I wouldn't go to wdw in the summer time because then I'd have a seasonal pass - I was saying that there is no way that I would go to wdw in the summer time.
 
Thanks DR for the clarifications on seasonal pass. BTW have you posted your 2003 Around the World Pics?
 
I don't think he's updated anything about the last trip yet. I know he's drafted an outline of what all transpired, but nothing official yet. Its been a pretty hectic spring and summer for us.

This past year wasn't my favorite - it was cooler than we had hoped and we had some additions - friends of friends kind of thing that wasn't our cup of tea.
 
Sorry, I don't think I have. Classes have just about filled my msu space, my office pc can run a web server, well I put one on it, and I have basically unlimited space on it, but I haven't really used it thinking about security, after the whole thing with readersclubhouse. Actually, we are in the black out right now; my tablet still has a couple of hours of battery, and I have net zero on it for when I travel and the phone line still works, so there you have it lol, our wireless doesn't work though. I need to do it. I dumped the pics from the camera on to this tablet, but I need to decide if I put the desktop up as a server or free up msu space.
Sorry-

I wonder if anybody else is in the blackout?

DR
 
Hi All,

I remember late nights, I also think that you need night time things all the time.

I see how crowded the parades are, and I also see how the fireworks fill up the park. I just wish the management would see this as well and add more things when apropriate...

Next, Will someone let me in on the snow globe thing? A link to a thread maybe, it sounds like a great discussion. (please PM me if apropriate)

GrinningGhost, if you have the name of the CM, I will give you someone to e-mail. (PM me if you want the info)

It was so very nice to have fireworks every night in MK on trips, I also enjoyed not having to watch the parades from a simulated sardine can.

At least they still are open at least half a day, we should be glad (car one in me talking, sorry).....

:bounce:
 












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