Paper Navigator from Recent Dream Cruise?

I hate to admit it, but I'd pay for a paper Navigator (looking at you Bob Chapek!). Allow me to 'opt-in' to a $5-$10 charge to have it delivered to my stateroom each night like the olden days.

Otherwise I do like the idea of a PDF that I could look at on a phone or iPad.
 
Better yet, I think, perhaps DCL could tweak their process workflow to generate a Navigator-formatted multi-page PDF file each day like they did before where they instead sent it to their on-board production printers/finishers, for accessing through the free side of the DCL app. Those with tablets and laptops can see everything the way they’re used to (harder to read on phones, I admit, but you’d still have the app), no OCR tools for us to develop, and Scott gets his copy for the DCLBlog archives. :-)

While they’re at it, they could export the Navigator into other formats, like Kindle, where we could actually highlight the events we want like we highlight book passages. Oh, the possibilities!

Provide feedback so they can alter the format in which the app shows the content. The reason for the current format is to allow you to favorite items.

What they need to do is bring the navigator to the computer so you can favorite items prior to boarding. This way each day the items already are served up for which you like. They could then also have an updates area stating things that were added above and beyond what you saw prior to boarding.
 

Provide feedback so they can alter the format in which the app shows the content. The reason for the current format is to allow you to favorite items.

What they need to do is bring the navigator to the computer so you can favorite items prior to boarding. This way each day the items already are served up for which you like. They could then also have an updates area stating things that were added above and beyond what you saw prior to boarding.
I see your points and the value that personalizing the Navigator can bring for each guest, based on age, interests, etc. I guess I’m more of a traditionalist - DCL has 20 years of experience perfecting the Navigator layout and making it accessible to us; I’d hate to throw all that out for the sake of technology. I’m also not a fan of providing more data for DCL to collect and mine regarding potential guest planning. I don’t know enough about their process to know how far in advance of a cruise they can advertise scheduled on-board talent or stage performances, especially if that information is allowed to factor into a guest’s specific cruise selection (and then there’s a change shortly before or during the cruise - does DCL have any liability? Guess I should go reread the cruise contract…)

I’m sure many of you remember the early rumblings 2-1/2 years ago about DCL getting rid of hardcopy Navigators and the subsequent pushback (Google - printing disney navigators). Seems like they had the opportunity to do something more for us on this one over the last 16 months, but apparently didn’t. :/
 
DCL has 20 years of experience perfecting the Navigator layout

Its pretty much the same and exactly the same for the schedule section.
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Really the issue is the concept of YouTube vs TV style format for intake of events. Various people (especially those older) prefer the TV style consumption while those younger prefer the YouTube style that Disney currently uses on the App. They really need a toggle for the style you prefer.

Unfortunately I don't work with the DCL UI/UX design team.


I don’t know enough about their process to know how far in advance of a cruise they can advertise scheduled on-board talent or stage performances, especially if that information is allowed to factor into a guest’s specific cruise selection (and then there’s a change shortly before or during the cruise - does DCL have any liability? Guess I should go reread the cruise contract…)

It also doesn't have to be specific but general ideas like how you like dance parties, hate trivia, and love cooking demonstrations. Additionally long term they could build in a system for you to check off that you attended something. This could both be built in to a "memories" site allowing you to review past cruises as well as suggest activities for future ones.

There is so much potential for making your life easier on a cruise and to give Disney feedback on how to alter entertainment.
 
Because all the information can still be taken and provided through DCL Blog for the events each day.

I have seen what people have posted from their phones on the current Magic and Dream cruises. I think it is easier to look at one scan of one page rather than a long series of photos. I am sure you will now tell me why I am wrong.
 
It also doesn't have to be specific but general ideas like how you like dance parties, hate trivia, and love cooking demonstrations. Additionally long term they could build in a system for you to check off that you attended something. This could both be built in to a "memories" site allowing you to review past cruises as well as suggest activities for future ones.

There is so much potential for making your life easier on a cruise and to give Disney feedback on how to alter entertainment.
I think you’re describing some of the features in Disney Genie for planning WDW and Disneyland days; seems like a version of that could be enabled for cruise ships. For some, it may indeed make life easier; for me, I believe I’d still prefer cruising with the daily hardcopy Navigator and highlighter. #getoffmylawn :-)
 
I have seen what people have posted from their phones on the current Magic and Dream cruises. I think it is easier to look at one scan of one page rather than a long series of photos. I am sure you will now tell me why I am wrong.

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Except again you export that full list, change it to text, and now DCL Blog has searchable and formated navigators on its website if they want it.

Nothing being lost unless people want it to be.
 
Sorry for this long rant: I appreciate your post and it brought out a lot of things I've been thinking of, some related to what I understood of the Genie app at the parks (but I've tried to make this about the navigators...).

Really the issue is the concept of YouTube vs TV style format for intake of events. Various people (especially those older) prefer the TV style consumption while those younger prefer the YouTube style that Disney currently uses on the App. They really need a toggle for the style you prefer.

Unfortunately I don't work with the DCL UI/UX design team.
The analogy to youtube/TV is good but I think it misses the point. An interface like youtube works because it is designed to help people manage the type of data that youtube streams. Recommender systems do a good job at helping you find things you might like that you weren't aware of. And, they are good for paring down large amounts of information that people can't process easily and help them focus on things that are more likely to be what they want. With youtube there are millions of videos, most content is not tied to a time, and you need a way of limiting the information presented so that people can understand it and find things they're more likely to like.

At the same time, TV lineups do a far better job of presenting information for television broadcast. There are only a few channels (well... sometimes), and the time things are shown matters, so it makes sense to have a time dimension to the display.

I don't think the interface itself is really a matter of preference, other than preference for the way underlying data is consumed ("see what's streaming" vs. "see what's on"); older people are more used to the broadcast model of content, and so they will like that interface; younger people are more used to on-demand, and like the corresponding interface. It would be stupid to try to put a "TV guide" interface on youtube, and it would be stupid to put a youtube interface on a TV schedule (unless the number of channels got large enough, in which case neither system works).

The thing is, the cruise activities are far closer to a TV lineup than a youtube collection of videos/channels. There are probably less than 20 "channels" of planned activities available at any time (the navigators you posted show about 15 "tracks"), and there's a critical time component - you can't do the ship activities on-demand. The traditional navigator layout (TV-style) just provides better information visualization for this particular task than the app does. You don't need to filter thousands of activities down so people can find the things most interesting to them - the whole day literally fits on a single sheet of paper.

It also doesn't have to be specific but general ideas like how you like dance parties, hate trivia, and love cooking demonstrations. Additionally long term they could build in a system for you to check off that you attended something. This could both be built in to a "memories" site allowing you to review past cruises as well as suggest activities for future ones.

There is so much potential for making your life easier on a cruise and to give Disney feedback on how to alter entertainment.
There is certainly potential, but the issue is that in the mean time, by taking away some options that work well for some tasks (e.g. the traditional navigator for seeing the schedule for a whole day), they can make things worse. I really don't think there's a question (is there?) that the traditional navigators were better than the current app for helping people look over everything to do during the day, and the times activities are available. The issue is whether the app is providing enough additional benefits to make up for the loss of using the original navigator.

I do see benefits in providing more information/detail, like how they can provide menus, or more detail about what an event involves, or many other app functions (e.g. making reservations/getting notifications/updates). But, I guess I am really skeptical at Disney's ability to actually make any real benefits in terms of scheduling come from the app (based on my experience, they haven't gotten close yet). For "scheduling," I don't really think people need a recommender system - at least one that we're going to have this decade. Navigating cruise activities is not that complicated! I find it hard to believe that people are so overwhelmed by their options on the cruise that they need help figuring out which of the things going on at any time might be most appealing to them; or at least that they need help at the level that this app will be able to provide and the traditional navigator didn't.

Disney IT is not exactly cutting edge, and they aren't going to have enough data or personal knowledge unless things change a lot to be able to actually make anything other than simplistic recommendations. If you like dance parties and cooking demonstrations, it's always been really easy enough to find them, and it's been easy to skip the trivia you don't like. I find it very hard to see how the app can provide any kind of useful advice beyond something very simplistic, unless the level of onboard (or personal) data collection scales up massively, and the system becomes much, much more sophisticated. Until then, it seems ridiculous that Disney would have eliminated a tool many people found more useful.
 
I'd be pretty surprised if you couldn't get some sort of a printout at customer service. It's obviously not going to be the colorful handouts we used to get that folded nice and neatly. Might even just be a text printout from a computer screen. But there's got to be some way of providing this for people who don't have smartphones.

You can't. We sailed last week and I am visually impaired. I asked and they don't have the templates any more to be able to set them up. Even concierge couldn't sort it and in the end let me use their "staff" version to look through. They have paper menus but because its on the TV do not have options for anyone to have it any other way. I actually had the issue that the app wouldn't update to the required version to work any more on my IPad (phone is too small to view on) so have decided to upgrade to a new IPad but honestly annoyed I even have to. I assumed there would still be genuine reasons why they would supply paper versions and had requested in advance via special services but they were adamant there was no way to do it from the current system.
 
Sadly my cell no longer supports the app!! I learned that yesterday! :( My iPad does, but I will have to get a new phone soon.
 
It would be stupid to try to put a "TV guide" interface on youtube, and it would be stupid to put a youtube interface on a TV schedule

Except they do I made a basic example but there is services like a YouTube TV or Hulu TV which are going to have a different interface than Directv for content consumption.

There is discussions at times over the time line styles the services have.

the whole day literally fits on a single sheet of paper.

Paper is being eliminated more and more and not coming back. Especially on things that can be digital.

they can make things worse
... For some people.

It's only worse for some people. Back to my point on how people consume information and providing a more traditional TV guide style interface in the app. Also the need for Disney to look at their ui/ux again for the interface and giving options.
 
I don't think I have ever met a cruiser that didn't enjoy the paper patter/navigator, etc. whatever it is called on your cruise line of choice! One of the great things of cruising is the chance to be off your phone for a bit. :( So sad. Will definitely comment on the comment card. Here's to hoping everyone comments on this so you could at least pick one up at guest services. Although I suspect almost everyone would so then maybe they could go back to the original beloved system!
 

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