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You could always use a grocery delivery service like www.wegoshop.com or mail a package to the resort ahead of time with snacks and goodies you may want.
manning said:This has always puzzled me. Why bring things you can get at a local store???
The flight incident in question wouldn't have happened in the first place if it wasn't overweight (due to several large passengers) in combo w/the mechanical problem that transpired during flight
Probably doesn't make that much of a difference on a regular sized, non-commuter flight. Wonder if that is a small part of the reason they make very large people purchase 2 seats (if they have to lift the arm rest to fit in the seat)?Aisling said:Holy cow, that's scary! I may be subconsciously counting how many large passengers get on the plane with me! I had no idea it made a difference!
keishashadow said:The flight incident in question wouldn't have happened in the first place if it wasn't overweight (due to several large passengers) in combo w/the mechanical problem that transpired during flight.
Actually if the elevator was properly rigged then the pilot could have compensated for the sharp nose up attitude by decreasing the rate of climb. When the pilot realized that the a/c was heavier than normal he attempted to use the elevator and it failed causing the a/c to stall which of course shot the plane straight down. The plane wasn't overweight, however the airline incorrectly did a poor weight and balance and placed the majority of the weight in the aft section of the a/c.
From the NTSB "The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the airplanes loss of pitch control during takeoff. The loss of pitch control resulted from the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system compounded by the airplanes aft center of gravity, which was substantially aft of the certified aft limit.
Contributing to the cause of the accident were (1) Air Midwests lack of oversight of the work being performed at the Huntington, West Virginia, maintenance station; (2) Air Midwests maintenance procedures and documentation; (3) Air Midwests weight and balance program at the time of the accident; (4) the Raytheon Aerospace quality assurance inspectors failure to detect the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system; (5) the Federal Aviation Administrations (FAA) average weight assumptions in its weight and balance program guidance at the time of the accident; and (6) the FAAs lack of oversight of Air Midwests maintenance program and its weight and balance program."
It never states that the aircraft was overweight, just that the weight wasn't distributed correctly and by saying several large passengers was the cause is insane.
Rex
keishashadow said:Probably doesn't make that much of a difference on a regular sized, non-commuter flight. Wonder if that is a small part of the reason they make very large people purchase 2 seats (if they have to lift the arm rest to fit in the seat)?
rparmfamily said:keishashadow said:The flight incident in question wouldn't have happened in the first place if it wasn't overweight (due to several large passengers) in combo w/the mechanical problem that transpired during flight.
Actually if the elevator was properly rigged then the pilot could have compensated for the sharp nose up attitude by decreasing the rate of climb. When the pilot realized that the a/c was heavier than normal he attempted to use the elevator and it failed causing the a/c to stall which of course shot the plane straight down. The plane wasn't overweight, however the airline incorrectly did a poor weight and balance and placed the majority of the weight in the aft section of the a/c.
From the NTSB "The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the airplanes loss of pitch control during takeoff. The loss of pitch control resulted from the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system compounded by the airplanes aft center of gravity, which was substantially aft of the certified aft limit.
Contributing to the cause of the accident were (1) Air Midwests lack of oversight of the work being performed at the Huntington, West Virginia, maintenance station; (2) Air Midwests maintenance procedures and documentation; (3) Air Midwests weight and balance program at the time of the accident; (4) the Raytheon Aerospace quality assurance inspectors failure to detect the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system; (5) the Federal Aviation Administrations (FAA) average weight assumptions in its weight and balance program guidance at the time of the accident; and (6) the FAAs lack of oversight of Air Midwests maintenance program and its weight and balance program."
It never states that the aircraft was overweight, just that the weight wasn't distributed correctly and by saying several large passengers was the cause is insane.
Rex
Insane??? We're all mad for the Mouse! LOL
I'll take the high road & wont take umbrage to that rather personal attack.
IMO, it's a matter of sematics as to whether the aircraft was "overweight" or "the weight wasn't distributed correctly". I'm restating what was reported on National news after the incident.
Obviously, you are very well-versed in airplane "lingo". Note the all powerful disclaimer "probable" is in the report. Certainly circumvents possible liability issues for the airline...hmmm.
I base my info on what I've watched & read. Can't remember which one but, one of the night-time news shows had a feature on the size of the passengers on that particular plane & made a convincing argument.
While we all want safe flight conditions, let's agree to disagree on the "definitive" cause of the doomed commuter flight.
Originally posted by keishashadow:
thinkerbell - if I was smarter I could...look @ www.TSA.gov under Travel & Consumer/Air Travel/Prohibited Items.
What airline are you flying? Did you check their site for luggage rules?
thinkerbell said:Keishashadow--this is exactly where I looked and couldn't find a thing. I read the pamphlet.pdf and the word list. Neither one said anything about food or drinks. I first went to the faa site and it linked me to this. I guess we will try it and if it doesn't work we'll leave the security folks a bunch of drinks.
We are flying USAir. I checked their site, called several different departments and also e-mailed the airport we are flying out of. The airport referred us back to USAir. A lot of work for a little bit of savings, huh?![]()
keishashadow said:rparmfamily said:Insane??? We're all mad for the Mouse! LOL
I'll take the high road & wont take umbrage to that rather personal attack.
IMO, it's a matter of sematics as to whether the aircraft was "overweight" or "the weight wasn't distributed correctly". I'm restating what was reported on National news after the incident.
Obviously, you are very well-versed in airplane "lingo". Note the all powerful disclaimer "probable" is in the report. Certainly circumvents possible liability issues for the airline...hmmm.
I base my info on what I've watched & read. Can't remember which one but, one of the night-time news shows had a feature on the size of the passengers on that particular plane & made a convincing argument.
While we all want safe flight conditions, let's agree to disagree on the "definitive" cause of the doomed commuter flight.
I agree that this family is totally insane for the mouse!!! Like all people on this board im sure. I don't want to come off like all I want to do is argue, I just like to discuss things and ejoying these type of things. I have enjoyed going back and forth.
Rex