Pacing Requirements and results from Previous Races?

[jimrpa]

Apologies if this has been asked before:

How can there be people with finish times that are greater than the race pace? For example, at a 16 minute pace, the maximum finish time for a half marathon should be about 3 hours, 31 minutes, but there are a lot of people with net times greater than that in the 2019 Wine and Dine results. Some as much as 4 hours! In my own division, there were 20 finishers beyond the 3:31 time.

What am I missing here?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If you start in an earlier corral, you have more than 3.5 hours to finish. You are only pulled from the course if you fall behind the balloon ladies, who trail all runners in the last corral and maintain a 16 minute mile pace.

 

[GreatLakes]

Apologies if this has been asked before:

How can there be people with finish times that are greater than the race pace? For example, at a 16 minute pace, the maximum finish time for a half marathon should be about 3 hours, 31 minutes, but there are a lot of people with net times greater than that in the 2019 Wine and Dine results. Some as much as 4 hours! In my own division, there were 20 finishers beyond the 3:31 time.

What am I missing here?

The 16:00 pace is enforced based on the last starter, not the first. If you qualify for the first corral but walk the race at a slower pace than 16 minutes you will have a significant cushion against the cut off and can be well over the 3:30 logical cutoff.

There is also a difference between chip time and clock time. If I'm in a corral that starts the race 10 minutes after the first and run the half in 2 hours my chip time will be 2:00:00 but the clock time will be 2:10:00.

 

[jimrpa]

The 16:00 pace is enforced based on the last starter, not the first. If you qualify for the first corral but walk the race at a slower pace than 16 minutes you will have a significant cushion against the cut off and can be well over the 3:30 logical cutoff.

There is also a difference between chip time and clock time. If I'm in a corral that starts the race 10 minutes after the first and run the half in 2 hours my chip time will be 2:00:00 but the clock time will be 2:10:00.

Understood and I was looking at the finishers with net times > 3:31 in a half marathon. I see what you mean about corral placement providing an “extra cushion” though. I hadn’t thought about that!

 

[BikeFan]

My understanding is that pace requirements are enforced so that Disney can reopen the roads. Once runners leave the last road and are in pedestrian areas, they basically let you finish if you're still moving forward.

 

[jimrpa]

My understanding is that pace requirements are enforced so that Disney can reopen the roads. Once runners leave the last road and are in pedestrian areas, they basically let you finish if you're still moving forward.

That would seem logical except, at some point they’ve got to shut down the in-park portion of the course.

 

[WhereInFlorida]

What are the expectations for pace groups this year? Seems they have always had them but with the potential larger corrals for the non-POT groups would seem hard to get to some of the groups if they are in the first mini-waves and you are not.

 

[camaker]

My understanding is that pace requirements are enforced so that Disney can reopen the roads. Once runners leave the last road and are in pedestrian areas, they basically let you finish if you're still moving forward.

That might be largely true of the 5k, but for the other races they continue to sweep in the parks. Perhaps not as aggressively, but you’re not in the clear just because you’re off the roads.

 

[Grabnar]

Is it worth submitting a POT if I don’t meet the 2:00:00 cut-off? I ran my first in person HM this weekend and hit the 2:30 cut-off on the year it doesn’t matter

 

[camaker]

Is it worth submitting a POT if I don’t meet the 2:00:00 cut-off? I ran my first in person HM this weekend and hit the 2:30 cut-off on the year it doesn’t matter

I don’t think it would be a good idea. If I remember correctly, you have a drop down asking if you plan to run in less than 2:00 or more than 2:00. If you select “less than” it gives you the fields to submit PoT, but they say insufficient proof will put you in the last corral and your race won’t support a sub-2:00 run. Selecting the “over 2:00“ option gets you another drop down to select a finish time range with no option to submit proof. I wouldn’t risk it.

 

[garneska]

Feeling that this question has a better chance of getting answered here than on the Marathon weekend thread.

I have a question about POT. I think a few did this so I am confirming this is the smart way to go. tagging @camaker because i think he definitely knows the answer.

For Marathon weekend, even assuming the POT is a 4 hour cutoff, I want a POT coral. If they go with 4:30 I am definitely good. I do not want to be stuck behind club rundisney.

My real question when registering should can i say over 4 so that i don't have to add all the POT stuff (it takes a while) and then go back and edit my POT to say under 4 hours? I think this is the better method to secure my registration. I want to make sure I can go back and edit it though.

My Half marathon time i can submit is 1:56:XX. I know @DopeyBadger was saying for Disney i would need more like 1:53:XX but if I can say i can go under 4 and submit a half less than 2. i think i am going to risk it.

 

[camaker]

Feeling that this question has a better chance of getting answered here than on the Marathon weekend thread.

I have a question about POT. I think a few did this so I am confirming this is the smart way to go. tagging @camaker because i think he definitely knows the answer.

For Marathon weekend, even assuming the POT is a 4 hour cutoff, I want a POT coral. If they go with 4:30 I am definitely good. I do not want to be stuck behind club rundisney.

My real question when registering should can i say over 4 so that i don't have to add all the POT stuff (it takes a while) and then go back and edit my POT to say under 4 hours? I think this is the better method to secure my registration. I want to make sure I can go back and edit it though.

My Half marathon time i can submit is 1:56:XX. I know @DopeyBadger was saying for Disney i would need more like 1:53:XX but if I can say i can go under 4 and submit a half less than 2. i think i am going to risk it.

Ha! You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel tagging me for info! Anyway, yes, you should be able to enter “over 4:30” and pick a time range during registration to move things along as quickly as possible. That’s what I did for the W&D challenge registration. Now I just have to go back and update my registration to change my finish time selection and put in the PoT info.

 

[garneska]

@camker i was not scraping the bottom on the barrel. i was absolutely expecting that is what you did for Wine & Dine so i thought you would have first hand knowledge. Thanks!!

 

[Herding_Cats]

Feeling that this question has a better chance of getting answered here than on the Marathon weekend thread.

I have a question about POT. I think a few did this so I am confirming this is the smart way to go. tagging @camaker because i think he definitely knows the answer.

For Marathon weekend, even assuming the POT is a 4 hour cutoff, I want a POT coral. If they go with 4:30 I am definitely good. I do not want to be stuck behind club rundisney.

My real question when registering should can i say over 4 so that i don't have to add all the POT stuff (it takes a while) and then go back and edit my POT to say under 4 hours? I think this is the better method to secure my registration. I want to make sure I can go back and edit it though.

My Half marathon time i can submit is 1:56:XX. I know @DopeyBadger was saying for Disney i would need more like 1:53:XX but if I can say i can go under 4 and submit a half less than 2. i think i am going to risk it.

i was seriously coming to ask this question in the event that disney reverts back to the 2:30 cutoff (or 2:20...whatever it was lol)

 

[bumbershoot]

Is it worth submitting a POT if I don’t meet the 2:00:00 cut-off? I ran my first in person HM this weekend and hit the 2:30 cut-off on the year it doesn’t matter

If you enter a slower than POT-required, as far as I know they won't even look at a POT you send in.

 

[kps7795]

Is it worth submitting a POT if I don’t meet the 2:00:00 cut-off? I ran my first in person HM this weekend and hit the 2:30 cut-off on the year it doesn’t matter

I'm in the same boat in which I'm running my very first HM later this month in Sunrise (basically Miami for those not familiar with South Florida geography) simply in order to establish a POT. I tend to doubt that I will break the 2:00:00 cut-off. Nevertheless, I have a feeling, based upon something that I read online, that you will be placed in the last corral if you don't submit a POT at all. It would be nice if someone with experience could confirm or correct my belief.

 

[DopeyBadger]

Nevertheless, I have a feeling, based upon something that I read online, that you will be placed in the last corral if you don't submit a POT at all. It would be nice if someone with experience could confirm or correct my belief.

POT (Proof of Time) Race Equivalency Cutoff Confirmed Times
Registration Run-Down w/ Images! (A comprehensive run-down of the registration process)

If you select a non-POT drop down choice, then you will be placed in a corral with others that choose that same estimated finish time. So if you're running a Disney Half Marathon, and choose the non-POT cutoff of "over 2 hours", then you are presented with a follow-up question of estimated finish from 2:00 hrs to 3:30 hrs. If you choose 3:16-3:30, then you will be placed in the last corral. If you choose 2:00-2:15, then you will not be placed in the last corral. It's best if you choose what is a realistic pace/finish for yourself. So no, the information you read online was not correct and was likely conjecture by someone else. This is the method that they have been using for the last years, and I feel fairly confident based on the existence of the estimated finish time question that all non-POT runners will not be placed in the same one corral.

 

[kps7795]

POT (Proof of Time) Race Equivalency Cutoff Confirmed Times
Registration Run-Down w/ Images! (A comprehensive run-down of the registration process)

If you select a non-POT drop down choice, then you will be placed in a corral with others that choose that same estimated finish time. So if you're running a Disney Half Marathon, and choose the non-POT cutoff of "over 2 hours", then you are presented with a follow-up question of estimated finish from 2:00 hrs to 3:30 hrs. If you choose 3:16-3:30, then you will be placed in the last corral. If you choose 2:00-2:15, then you will not be placed in the last corral. It's best if you choose what is a realistic pace/finish for yourself. So no, the information you read online was not correct and was likely conjecture by someone else. This is the method that they have been using for the last years, and I feel fairly confident based on the existence of the estimated finish time question that all non-POT runners will not be placed in the same one corral.

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Thank you. I feel foolish for having signed up for a HM that I have to run in four weeks. Then again, it might be nice to have that experience under my belt before the DW Marathon.

 

[DopeyBadger]

Thank you. I feel foolish for having signed up for a HM that I have to run in four weeks. Then again, it might be nice to have that experience under my belt before the DW Marathon.

Run within yourself, learn from the experience. I've done around 50 races and continue to learn more about the sport. Not a wasted experience at all regardless of the POT cutoff.

 

[GollyGadget]

I read online, that you will be placed in the last corral if you don't submit a POT at all

I have also read this but I think people are mixing up this warning on the runDisney website that "Runners will be placed in the last start group if appropriate race distance is not submitted...." However, that only comes into play if you select you'll finish the half in less than 2 hours and your PoT doesn't meet the guidelines. It's not applicable if you select a finish time over 2 hours for the half marathon.


https://www.rundisney.com/events/disneyworld/disneyworld-marathon-weekend/events/half-marathon/