Overpaid teachers?

[spanks]

I agree!!! A first year teacher in my District begins with 55 grand a year. A teacher who worked in our District for 10 years makes a minimum of 105,000 a year. Our average teacher earns 99,000 a year.

But, I encourage every educator to become an ADMINISTRIATOR (PRINCIPAL, AP, DEAN). I was "tapped on" the shoulder to become a boss several years ago. At the ripe age of 27 (lol), I was making 105,000 then. Now, I am making more than any of my friends, earning a lot more than 105 and working several hours at best a day.

EDUCATION IS THE WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN NY

 

[Planogirl]

I just looked up Texas teacher salaries and the website http://teacherportal.com reported $33,775 to start which ranks 16th in the nation and an average of $41,744 which is listed at 34th. Texas is apparently way behind some areas.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I call troll on this one. You are obviously just trying to stir up trouble because I have trouble believing that anyone would not see that you are writing double speak. The "teacher trying to get kids to college" has laid the foundation for the professor at a university to do his or her job.[/QU She isn't a troll. She has been here for awhile. After reading her post about line jumping on the Theme Parks board (still trying figure out what race had to do with her story), I'm not surprised by anything she writes.

 

[daughtersrus]

I agree!!! A first year teacher in my District begins with 55 grand a year. A teacher who worked in our District for 10 years makes a minimum of 105,000 a year. Our average teacher earns 99,000 a year.

But, I encourage every educator to become an ADMINISTRIATOR (PRINCIPAL, AP, DEAN). I was "tapped on" the shoulder to become a boss several years ago. At the ripe age of 27 (lol), I was making 105,000 then. Now, I am making more than any of my friends, earning a lot more than 105 and working several hours at best a day.

EDUCATION IS THE WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN NY

Please share with us what this job is.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

for the most part, they do not cause problems. you will always have a handful, but not a huge proportion of the school. the teachers who do have to deal with difficult students should get paid more. doctors and lawyers should be paid a ton more. they went through way more schooling and they need to know a lot more. they actually deal with life and death situations - teachers do not. there are also far fewer doctors out there (lawyers.. i believe there are a lot? i'm not sure) and what they do actually helps you and will keep you alive. lawyers don't just spout off the same things - they have to look things up and prepare arguments. teachers are a dime a dozen.



this is a forum online, in case you forgot. i'm not going to write like i would for an academic paper. i'm actually at an ivy league school, but maybe that's considered fantasy land to someone like you.

I don't believe that for a second.
Oh- and if you are indeed at an Ivy League school I will say that smarts isn't what gets everyone in them. If you have money or family alumni you can get in pretty easy.
I also have to laugh at your statement that all Long Island kids are delightful and hardworking (I am paraphrasing). As a Long Islander I can say that is the biggest bunch of bull I ever heard. Hmmmm.....there are schools here that have metal detectors that the kids have to walk through every day, alternative schools for problem children, and tons of other issues. Now Long Island isn't a terrible place but they have issues just like every other place. This isn't the land of lollipops and rainbows.

 

[perdidochas]

I agree!!! A first year teacher in my District begins with 55 grand a year. A teacher who worked in our District for 10 years makes a minimum of 105,000 a year. Our average teacher earns 99,000 a year.

But, I encourage every educator to become an ADMINISTRIATOR (PRINCIPAL, AP, DEAN). I was "tapped on" the shoulder to become a boss several years ago. At the ripe age of 27 (lol), I was making 105,000 then. Now, I am making more than any of my friends, earning a lot more than 105 and working several hours at best a day.

EDUCATION IS THE WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN NY

Wow, my wife's an AP, I wish that she only worked several hours a day.....

 

[castleview]

I agree!!! A first year teacher in my District begins with 55 grand a year. A teacher who worked in our District for 10 years makes a minimum of 105,000 a year. Our average teacher earns 99,000 a year.

But, I encourage every educator to become an ADMINISTRIATOR (PRINCIPAL, AP, DEAN). I was "tapped on" the shoulder to become a boss several years ago. At the ripe age of 27 (lol), I was making 105,000 then. Now, I am making more than any of my friends, earning a lot more than 105 and working several hours at best a day.

EDUCATION IS THE WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN NY

If you're not a lying troll, and I believe you are because a good administrator puts in 40 hours a week by Wednesday, then you are what is wrong with administration. Too many inexperienced teachers going into it too young and only for the money. If you wanted to make a ton of money, you wouldn't have chosen education in the first place.

Several of DH's friends went into administration as a way of moving up the ladder - very stupid, because teaching and administrating are two different things. Now they can't imagine themselves doing this for 25 or 30 more years. But they did get used to the money quite quickly.

 

[collegejunkie]

gee, everyone gets so worked up when they see/hear something that goes against what they think. this is called an opinion - you have one, and so do i. i stand by what i said. i've also always said that if i didn't make it into med/dental school that i should just become a teacher because it's so easy to make 6 figures (where i live) with just a masters. maybe my disagreement stems from jealousy that it's so easy. i don't remember if it's on this thread that someone keeps commenting, but no, i'm not going to change how i write online just because you were an english major or whatever and you don't like it. i'm back from a day of classes and other stuff and i'm here to relax, so i will type the way i want. i also don't really care if my school isn't teaching me manners or whatever else it is that you seem to think i'm lacking. obviously, i'm going to be more than fine in the world without your approval.

RE: long island: yes, there are bad parts. the part that i'm from and the surrounding areas.. not at all. i'm using my experience in my high school when i say what i say. i assume that everyone else is also thinking about their own schools or their kid's school.

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

RE: bachelors are a dime a dozen and jobs after: yeah, they are. most jobs now require a bachelors and for the most part, it's really easy to get one. there are a frillion schools that you can go to and just walk out. because i'll be off to professional school, i don't know what i'd be making with just my bachelors. my bf, however, has a position at a big bank where he is guaranteed 80k to start plus tons of bonuses. not too bad, in my opinion. and to reply to the comment about the contract college part of cornell, nope, i'm actually jealous that they pay less than me. their degree will still say cornell on it; they just got it for less. maybe i should internally transfer since i'm a NY resident and i'm full-pay anyway.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people. that's fine, we don't need to agree. live and let live. and just in case anyone forgot, nothing i say or you say is going to change how things are. teachers will still be overpaid in my area and in others. they will still be forgotten by the majority of their students. students will still talk crap about them every day after class. students will still leave knowing that they're doing way more with their lives than they are. writing on a disney forum about it won't change any of that. so if it makes you happy or if you're just bored and waiting around like me, then go for it. i enjoy reading all responses.

 

[collegejunkie]

gee, everyone gets so worked up when they see/hear something that goes against what they think. this is called an opinion - you have one, and so do i. i stand by what i said. i've also always said that if i didn't make it into med/dental school that i should just become a teacher because it's so easy to make 6 figures (where i live) with just a masters. maybe my disagreement stems from jealousy that it's so easy. i don't remember if it's on this thread that someone keeps commenting, but no, i'm not going to change how i write online just because you were an english major or whatever and you don't like it. i'm back from a day of classes and other stuff and i'm here to relax, so i will type the way i want. i also don't really care if my school isn't teaching me manners or whatever else it is that you seem to think i'm lacking. obviously, i'm going to be more than fine in the world without your approval.

RE: long island: yes, there are bad parts. the part that i'm from and the surrounding areas.. not at all. i'm using my experience in my high school when i say what i say. i assume that everyone else is also thinking about their own schools or their kid's school.

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

RE: bachelors are a dime a dozen and jobs after: yeah, they are. most jobs now require a bachelors and for the most part, it's really easy to get one. there are a frillion schools that you can go to and just walk out. because i'll be off to professional school, i don't know what i'd be making with just my bachelors. my bf, however, has a position at a big bank where he is guaranteed 80k to start plus tons of bonuses. not too bad, in my opinion. and to reply to the comment about the contract college part of cornell, nope, i'm actually jealous that they pay less than me. their degree will still say cornell on it; they just got it for less. maybe i should internally transfer since i'm a NY resident and i'm full-pay anyway.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people. that's fine, we don't need to agree. live and let live. and just in case anyone forgot, nothing i say or you say is going to change how things are. teachers will still be overpaid in my area and in others. they will still be forgotten by the majority of their students. students will still talk crap about them every day after class. students will still leave knowing that they're doing way more with their lives than they are. writing on a disney forum about it won't change any of that. so if it makes you happy or if you're just bored and waiting around like me, then go for it. i enjoy reading all responses.

 

[castleview]

gee, everyone gets so worked up when they see/hear something that goes against what they think. this is called an opinion - you have one, and so do i. i stand by what i said. i've also always said that if i didn't make it into med/dental school that i should just become a teacher because it's so easy to make 6 figures (where i live) with just a masters. maybe my disagreement stems from jealousy that it's so easy. i don't remember if it's on this thread that someone keeps commenting, but no, i'm not going to change how i write online just because you were an english major or whatever and you don't like it. i'm back from a day of classes and other stuff and i'm here to relax, so i will type the way i want. i also don't really care if my school isn't teaching me manners or whatever else it is that you seem to think i'm lacking. obviously, i'm going to be more than fine in the world without your approval.

RE: long island: yes, there are bad parts. the part that i'm from and the surrounding areas.. not at all. i'm using my experience in my high school when i say what i say. i assume that everyone else is also thinking about their own schools or their kid's school.

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

RE: bachelors are a dime a dozen and jobs after: yeah, they are. most jobs now require a bachelors and for the most part, it's really easy to get one. there are a frillion schools that you can go to and just walk out. because i'll be off to professional school, i don't know what i'd be making with just my bachelors. my bf, however, has a position at a big bank where he is guaranteed 80k to start plus tons of bonuses. not too bad, in my opinion. and to reply to the comment about the contract college part of cornell, nope, i'm actually jealous that they pay less than me. their degree will still say cornell on it; they just got it for less. maybe i should internally transfer since i'm a NY resident and i'm full-pay anyway.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people. that's fine, we don't need to agree. live and let live. and just in case anyone forgot, nothing i say or you say is going to change how things are. teachers will still be overpaid in my area and in others. they will still be forgotten by the majority of their students. students will still talk crap about them every day after class. students will still leave knowing that they're doing way more with their lives than they are. writing on a disney forum about it won't change any of that. so if it makes you happy or if you're just bored and waiting around like me, then go for it. i enjoy reading all responses.

Again differing opinions are fine, it's just the obnoxious way you go about it. I feel sorry for you that your parents raised you to be so judgmental. I'm sorry they pressured you to go to an Ivy as I'm sure state schools are vermin infested in their opinion. I'm sorry you were so miserable at Columbia that you had to transfer to the easier Cornell (I know Cornell's not really easy, but I'm sure your Mom and Dad think so). I'm sorry you are too concerned with other people's pay and admittedly jealous of everything.

But if you want to feel better, I'll let you know that I grew up in Levittown and my opinion probably isn't worthy to you based on that revelation. Also, if you're one of those sheltered girls from the Five Towns, you'll have to find Levittown on the map.

 

[TheDisneyGirl02]

gee, everyone gets so worked up when they see/hear something that goes against what they think. this is called an opinion - you have one, and so do i. i stand by what i said. i've also always said that if i didn't make it into med/dental school that i should just become a teacher because it's so easy to make 6 figures (where i live) with just a masters. maybe my disagreement stems from jealousy that it's so easy. i don't remember if it's on this thread that someone keeps commenting, but no, i'm not going to change how i write online just because you were an english major or whatever and you don't like it. i'm back from a day of classes and other stuff and i'm here to relax, so i will type the way i want. i also don't really care if my school isn't teaching me manners or whatever else it is that you seem to think i'm lacking. obviously, i'm going to be more than fine in the world without your approval.

RE: long island: yes, there are bad parts. the part that i'm from and the surrounding areas.. not at all. i'm using my experience in my high school when i say what i say. i assume that everyone else is also thinking about their own schools or their kid's school.

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

RE: bachelors are a dime a dozen and jobs after: yeah, they are. most jobs now require a bachelors and for the most part, it's really easy to get one. there are a frillion schools that you can go to and just walk out. because i'll be off to professional school, i don't know what i'd be making with just my bachelors. my bf, however, has a position at a big bank where he is guaranteed 80k to start plus tons of bonuses. not too bad, in my opinion. and to reply to the comment about the contract college part of cornell, nope, i'm actually jealous that they pay less than me. their degree will still say cornell on it; they just got it for less. maybe i should internally transfer since i'm a NY resident and i'm full-pay anyway.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people. that's fine, we don't need to agree. live and let live. and just in case anyone forgot, nothing i say or you say is going to change how things are. teachers will still be overpaid in my area and in others. they will still be forgotten by the majority of their students. students will still talk crap about them every day after class. students will still leave knowing that they're doing way more with their lives than they are. writing on a disney forum about it won't change any of that. so if it makes you happy or if you're just bored and waiting around like me, then go for it. i enjoy reading all responses.

$80,000 for a bank position?! And you think that teachers make too much money. That is crazy!

You are indeed entitled to your opinion, but those who disagree with you are also allowed to voice ours. I remember many of my teachers and still think very highly of them. I can actually remember more of my K-12 teachers than my college professors.

Speaking as someone who was laid off a year and a half ago with a Bachelors, jobs are not easy to get. If I would be in college, I would be very nervous about graduating because of the lack of jobs available.

 

[Kathi OD]

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

Maybe because you were blessed with an above average intellect, you could learn everything on your own (which btw, you couldn't, but you would never agree). Let me assure you, that most people on this earth realize that they are not perfect and need to be taught.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people.

Totally untrue. What others have objected to, is not your opinion, but the abrasive way you expressed it. In case you missed it, you offended not only the teachers you were talking down to, but also many others that hold the same opinion you do. That's pretty hard to do.


It would be pretty interesting to be around when you fall from that high pedestal you've placed yourself upon.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Just wanted to point out that you cannot have a "beyond perfect" gpa if you rarely went to classes on Long Island. Your attendance counts towards your grade. If you rarely went you would be lucky to get a C even if you aced the tests. Trust me. I know this.

 

[WeLoveLilo05]

gee, everyone gets so worked up when they see/hear something that goes against what they think. this is called an opinion - you have one, and so do i. i stand by what i said. i've also always said that if i didn't make it into med/dental school that i should just become a teacher because it's so easy to make 6 figures (where i live) with just a masters. maybe my disagreement stems from jealousy that it's so easy. i don't remember if it's on this thread that someone keeps commenting, but no, i'm not going to change how i write online just because you were an english major or whatever and you don't like it. i'm back from a day of classes and other stuff and i'm here to relax, so i will type the way i want. i also don't really care if my school isn't teaching me manners or whatever else it is that you seem to think i'm lacking. obviously, i'm going to be more than fine in the world without your approval.

RE: long island: yes, there are bad parts. the part that i'm from and the surrounding areas.. not at all. i'm using my experience in my high school when i say what i say. i assume that everyone else is also thinking about their own schools or their kid's school.

RE: ivy league admissions. yes, both of my parents went to ivies, but neither of the ones that i have attended/attend. i transferred from columbia to cornell. my mom went to princeton and my dad went to yale. we didn't donate tons of money to any school for my acceptance, though i do know it happens, as i have several friends who did something like that. i got a 2380 on my SAT and had a beyond perfect gpa. i rarely went to class (which is another reason i think teachers are paid too much. you can learn everything on your own).

RE: bachelors are a dime a dozen and jobs after: yeah, they are. most jobs now require a bachelors and for the most part, it's really easy to get one. there are a frillion schools that you can go to and just walk out. because i'll be off to professional school, i don't know what i'd be making with just my bachelors. my bf, however, has a position at a big bank where he is guaranteed 80k to start plus tons of bonuses. not too bad, in my opinion. and to reply to the comment about the contract college part of cornell, nope, i'm actually jealous that they pay less than me. their degree will still say cornell on it; they just got it for less. maybe i should internally transfer since i'm a NY resident and i'm full-pay anyway.

in any case, clearly other people's opinions are not appreciated unless they agree with your own or the majority of people. that's fine, we don't need to agree. live and let live. and just in case anyone forgot, nothing i say or you say is going to change how things are. teachers will still be overpaid in my area and in others. they will still be forgotten by the majority of their students. students will still talk crap about them every day after class. students will still leave knowing that they're doing way more with their lives than they are. writing on a disney forum about it won't change any of that. so if it makes you happy or if you're just bored and waiting around like me, then go for it. i enjoy reading all responses.

Do you realize how ignorant and rude that sounds? Tell that to someone who is working two jobs, living on their own, has kids, and may have the grades and intellect to do well in college but cannot afford to do so. Of course you wouldn't know anything about that since I guess mommy and daddy pay for your ivy league education.
And I know...I've been there, I struggled with school while taking care of a baby and a home, and finances. It took me 5 years to finish school, graduated magna cum laude. So when you say teachers are worthless...yes that is an ignorant statement since I know how hard I busted my butt to get where I am. And a dime a dozen? really? my dad makes a decent salary for someone who didn't go to college, but my dad is a hard working man and deserves the best. Working 18 hour days monday-sat...yeah thats him. He would love a bachelors so..tell that to him.
And yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the way you belittle everyone around you to get yours across is actually very unattractive and disgusting.

 

[gingajane]

I see a real weeding out of inadequate teachers in my district(yes, even ones with tenure). As the budget crunch has forced rifs, administration has been extremely diligent in documenting weaknesses and catching non-compliance. The lack luster teachers are on the chopping block. The teachers unsavory habits are gone. The budget crunch has been tough, but I thought that I would bring to light a bright spot that I discovered. NJ schools can ill afford nepotism at this point. Districts are scooping up the best and the brightest to help with HSPA scores. This is serious business. The losers are exiting quickly in my district. We are not sad to see them go. They make us all smell like a dog turd(yup, I said it and I meant it).

 

[Kathi OD]

I see a real weeding out of inadequate teachers in my district(yes, even ones with tenure). As the budget crunch has forced rifs, administration has been extremely diligent in documenting weaknesses and catching non-compliance. The lack luster teachers are on the chopping block. The teachers unsavory habits are gone. The budget crunch has been tough, but I thought that I would bring to light a bright spot that I discovered. NJ schools can ill afford nepotism at this point. Districts are scooping up the best and the brightest to help with HSPA scores. This is serious business. The losers are exiting quickly in my district. We are not sad to see them go. They make us all smell like a dog turd(yup, I said it and I meant it).

Are you sure that tenured teachers are on the chopping block? Everyone (who's not in education) knows that there is no way on earth that tenured teachers can be fired...

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

I'm going to be bad and not read the whole thread...

I'll admit, I'm biased as I am a teacher. Are teachers overpaid? I don't think so. Are we underpaid? I don't know. I don't feel like there is an objective way to answer that question. Here is what I know:

-When I got my bachelor's, I was offered a job managing a restaurant that would have paid me 43% more than I make now as my starting salary. Now, I have my master's, but am getting paid less.

-You hear people say that certain subjects get paid more, this has not been true in any district that I applied to. My starting salary as a sped teacher is no different than anyone else's (I'm okay with that).

-Our salary was frozen last year and will most likely be frozen again next year. Which means I am still being paid at the rate of a first year teacher. Again, I am okay with it if it means fewer lay offs. We laid off 40 people last year and I would have been upset if they raised our salary.

-Even with plan time, there is simply not enough time in the day to get everything done. My students take the alternate assessment as my room is self contained. It takes me approximately 30 hours for each one, I have 5 students taking it this year. That is in addition to planning, IEP meetings, etc. Most teachers in my building get to work early and leave several hours after dismissal on a fairly regular basis. We also take work home with us all the time. This is no different from any other salaried position in any hour, but we don't necessarily just work a short work day like some people seem to think.

-I have spent more of my own money on this job than on any other. I am expected to do a lot of things, but have little to no budget for the resources I need. As an example, our principal loves it when the kindergarten classes cook, but the school does not provide the money for the ingredients, so the teachers must supply everything. By the end of the year, I'll probably have sunk half a month's paycheck right back into my classroom.

-I never realized how much teachers have to put up with. I have worked with students who have severe mental illness that are not being properly treated, but there is nothing the school can do about it. My students have a specific code that we use when we need to evacuate the classroom because it is no longer safe. We practice this and I keep an emergency kit in an empty classroom with academic games. If a kid is blowing up in the recovery room which is next door to me, our whole hallway gets shut down, and I might have to evacuate our room because of the language being used. My para ends up tied up in the recovery room because he, the behavior interventionist, and I are the only ones in the building who are trained to restrain. This means that I sometimes go an hour or more not in our room and without my para. My schedule is dependent on being able to run small groups, but I can't do that without my para. There was one point in the year this was happening once a week.

-It is not unheard of for the police to be called to help with students. Even in an elementary school.

-There are some parents that simply do not take any responsibility. I have a colleague who was flat out told by a parent, "I told you I wasn't going to help her. Why don't you work with her one on one so she will be on grade level?"

We have a tough school. I love my kids, and many days I love my job. But it has not been easy and there have been days I wonder if I made the right choice. Do I wish I were paid more? Of course! Who doesn't? But I knew going into it exactly what my salary would be. I take a second job to help me be able to afford my bills, and so that I will have the money for my classroom.