Overbooking ADR's without cancelling

[nurseypoo5]

Since you quoted me and then said, "It is not all about you, etc" let me point out that I said that I thought it was wrong (however, that does not make it so, necessarily). So, maybe you just clicked "quote" without thinking - if not, re-read my posts. And I think you mean acceptable.

Hey when you need CPR im your gal, when i need an english/spelling lesson, now i know who to come too...

 

[maxiesmom]

I didn't read this entire thread, but I don't think Disney will ever go to cc deposit for all ADRs. Some people won't use CCs. Also, it would be a nightmare for Disney with complaints.

You already have to have a cc for many restaurants, Cinderella's Royal Table being one of them. So I don't think Disney is showing any concern about ticking the non credit card holders off.

And as far as the people who make multiple ADRs for the same time, don't the rest of you know that the world revolves around them? It doesn't matter if you can't get a ressie, as long as they have the option to choose among 5 different restaurants.

 

[cdrn1]

We make one ADR per day and make our plans around it. If we decide it isn't going to fit in to our schedule, we cancel it ASAP. I think that it's rude to take up a slot; someone else may not get in. I have no problem with a modest cancellation fee so as to curb the practice of someone making several ADR's knowing that they won't be using them all.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

Thread after thread pops up where posters say things like "I'm a rule follower, I always try to do the right thing, I follow the golden rule, I try to be considerate of others..." all the while being self righteous, judgemental, sarcastic, rude, and nasty to other posters that have a different point of view. Hey, look in the mirror. Hmmmm....It's really a sad statement that the most popular threads on this board are always the ones where posters are being insulting and argumentative!

Having the strength to stand up for what you believe to be wrong is not judgmental or self righteous. I really didn't see many posts that were sarcastic or rude or nasty, except about three or so, and those were on *both* sides of the debate. Many people stated that it was wrong and that Disney has in the past put in efforts to stop it, or suggested ways to stop it in the future. Most people were not rude about it, and if they were, then they were wrong, too. I'm sorry if it bothers you that so many people feel that it is wrong to have multiple ADR's for the same time, but many, including me, do believe that it is inconsiderate and wrong.

Most people would not consider RSVP'ing to two or three parties for the same time (let's say Saturday 3-8 pm) with the intention of only going to the one they "feel" like going to that day. They know that their friends/family would be annoyed that they were stood up, but since they have no consequences (in most cases) at WDW, they justify it.

When someone disagrees with something someone else does, it does not automatically make them "judgmental" or "self righteous". And, if you can label all posters who disagreed with this practice with such names, isn't that "judgmental" as well?

 

[mickeyfan2]

Next time I got to WDW I am going to make ADRs at every restaurant on every day for every hour. This way I can eat whenever I am hungry and never have to plan to get there. So what if one table is left unoccupied for 15 minutes each hour at each restaurants. All those other guests can sure give up 45 minutes each day (three meals) of their vacation so I am not made to plan or give up one minute of my vacation.

 

[bsmcneil]

Next time I got to WDW I am going to make ADRs at every restaurant on every day for every hour. This way I can eat whenever I am hungry and never have to plan to get there. So what if one table is left unoccupied for 15 minutes each hour at each restaurants. All those other guests can sure give up 45 minutes each day (three meals) of their vacation so I am not made to plan or give up one minute of my vacation.

This joke was already made once. And was funnier the first time

 

[Luv'sTink]

I generally do the speed limit. Anne

Then generally you dont break the rules but, sometimes, by your own admission you do. Hmmmmm

 

[Boardwalk Tigger]

If you book multiple adr's they will be cancelled by Disney without warning! Happened to me this past December and I had two reservations nowhere near in time to one another....One for dinner and a very late one for dessert at another restaurant. They canceled the first ressie ( my dinner! ) and left me with a very late reservation that was only for dessert. I made this so late as to not inconvenience other diners who might like a dinner adr. Mine weren't multiples but looked liked it to them so they cancelled the early ressie with the presumption that I would want my last made ressie. So I would advise against multiples!!!!!!!

 

[ducklite]

Then generally you dont break the rules but, sometimes, by your own admission you do. Hmmmmm

And I explained the one exception...and that it's out of courtesy for those around me. Isn't that what this entire thread is about--courtesy?

Anne

 

[Sammie]

Rude: not sure. Google, the word Rude and you get many definition.

Inconsiderate of others, definitely. But then that is the cause of most the heated discussion here on the forums. Being inconsiderate of others.

I do have to wonder what is it about Disney that brings this out in some people. Do the people who make multiple ADRs because they can't make up their minds where to eat, do that on Friday night at home when they want to dine out.

You would think the Happiest Place on Earth would bring out the best in others, sadly that does not seem to be the case anymore.

 

[EEyorelover22]

CM do not do the deleting the computer does it.

I only have one problem with this. How does the computer know when there are parties that are at two different tables? Pary of 9 at two tables for example booked under the same phone number.

And, at times I have been questioned by a CM in dining about my double bookings and they are not. Yes, they are at the same time, but one is for DD and I and the other is for DS and DH. They are not double bookings. If the computer randomly deletes these, I wouldn't be very happy. Ours are booked under our home phone. I always make sure the ones for the boys are in DH's name though. But, they seem to look everything up by phone number.

I also have another experience with a total change in our vacation dates. We were suppose to leave June 10th and return home the 21st. I booked the hotel and all our ADRs planning that time to go, but as it turned out DD's summer camp was a different week so we moved our dates. I booked our ADRs at day 180 to make sure we would get what we wanted. We waited to buy our plane tickets for the dates of the camp. So...I call and cancel the hotel and to cancel all of our ADRs for the 10 days. The CM on the phone said, "you really didn't have to do this." I think that's the wrong message to send. CRO has too many people working there without the proper training.

 

[4mykids]

This may have been addressed...sorry, I did not read the entire thread!

I booked ADR's tonight for July trip. I already had some booked that I was planning to change. I am not one who books 2 or 3 for each meal. Before I had a chance to tell the CM that I needed to cancel one, she told me that I already had one booked and had to cancel it first. I hope Disney is catching on and will cancel these double bookings.

As for requiring a deposit, I don't agree. There have been times when we get caught/delayed and cannot make our ADR. I always try to call and cancel. I try not to be a "no show". Sometimes things cannot be helped especially if you get caught in line at a popular ride. No way I would leave a line I had waited in for a long time to get to dinner! Even though I live to eat! Also, we may go to one park for the day and hop to Epcot for dinner. Transportation can hang you up no matter how hard you try to allow ample time.

I know people can get around the computer system with different numbers, etc., but I sure hope they don't institute deposits!

 

[Mariposa]

Then generally you dont break the rules but, sometimes, by your own admission you do. Hmmmmm

You know, honestly, I've never gotten this theory.. the whole "sometimes you do something that's not completely right, therefore it's okay for me to break whatever rules I feel like" theory. Seriously, I've been asking people to explain this for years. I mean, if it were a valid defense for bad behavior you could use it in court, right?

"Jury members, you all break the speed limit sometimes, don't you? And I know some of you must have cheated on your taxes as well! In that case, you can't say that me stealing that car was wrong!"

Yes, of course people do things they know aren't right, even if you try your best not to- but that doesn't mean I can't look at other actions in other situations and state that I wouldn't engage in the behavior and wish others wouldn't as well because I know the behavior is rude/inappropriate/inconsiderate/wrong.

 

[EEyorelover22]

As for requiring a deposit, I don't agree. There have been times when we get caught/delayed and cannot make our ADR. I always try to call and cancel. I try not to be a "no show". Sometimes things cannot be helped especially if you get caught in line at a popular ride. No way I would leave a line I had waited in for a long time to get to dinner! Even though I live to eat! Also, we may go to one park for the day and hop to Epcot for dinner. Transportation can hang you up no matter how hard you try to allow ample time.

This is what I was trying to say in my statement about Disney having too many headaches with total CC deposits. Biggies maybe should have them to ensure that people show up, but I would bet that even then there are issues due to transportation problems. We are at the mercy of Disney transportation and we did get stuck on the monorail one day for 20 minutes. I know they say to leave an hour transporation time and we always do, but that day we missed our ADR time. And, last year we got stuck on Soarin' and we were late for our princess breakfast at Epcot. We had around a 9:00 or 9:05 ADR and we were at rope drop and we were the first ones on the ride...plenty of time to ride Soarin' IF the CMs at Soarin' had cycled the ride once which they did not, they would have known not to put us in the one that wasn't working and then have to move us. We didn't get out of the ride till nearly 8:45. I had no way of knowing it would take that long. An hour should have been enough time to ride Soarin' once. Should I have to pay for that? No, but what a hassle for me if I tried to get my deposit back. That's all I meant. They would have to somehow let people call the places directly for certain issues and I don't see that happening either.

Now, the difference in both of these cases...I wasn't a "no show", we were late.

 

[kcrew]

Having the strength to stand up for what you believe to be wrong is not judgmental or self righteous.

I'm sorry if it bothers you that so many people feel that it is wrong to have multiple ADR's for the same time, but many, including me, do believe that it is inconsiderate and wrong.

Most people would not consider RSVP'ing to two or three parties for the same time (let's say Saturday 3-8 pm) with the intention of only going to the one they "feel" like going to that day. They know that their friends/family would be annoyed that they were stood up, but since they have no consequences (in most cases) at WDW, they justify it.

When someone disagrees with something someone else does, it does not automatically make them "judgmental" or "self righteous". And, if you can label all posters who disagreed with this practice with such names, isn't that "judgmental" as well?

The statement that you "believe" in this issue is hysterical Noone's posts here "bother" me rather they amuse and perplex me and I posted my observations. And you're correct, I don't consider Disney restaurants on the same level as my friends and family. I never claimed to NOT be judgemental, nor have I ever posted stating "I always do what I know to be right" or that I "treat people as I would like to be treated" , because I know it's not right to call people "inconsiderate", "selfish", or to say "serves you right" or to tell someone "it's wrong". I also didn't single anyone out with MY post....

 

[rubbergypsy]

when we were there in may we had a 5 pm adr for chef mickeys that i knew we would never make by 3pm that same day, i called wdwdine and told them to cancel it because we would not get there in a timely fashion, after i cancelled we got a later adr for boatwrights, just about only thing left, we had never been there, had no plans to ever dine there, but at 7 when we were hungry we were glad to have the adr. enjoyed the resort and meal and it was a last minute thing, i sure hope that someone got to enjoy our chef mickey adr. perhaps a last minute caller. i would never book a double adr, i know how hard it is to secure one at the time you need it. we learned never to make an adr before 6:30 again. for dinner that is

 

[Mariposa]

I also didn't single anyone out with MY post....

Yeah, right up until you quoted her just then and attacked everything she had to say.

Oh well, whatever, virtually everyone on this thread involved in this behavior has either acknowledged that they know the behavior is (to some degree) inappropriate or has made some sort of completely random excuse or blame shifting argument as to why it is somehow okay for them to engage in behavior Disney Dining says is wrong.

It's not like any minds are going to be changed here as, clearly, the people who would do something they KNOW inconveniences others- just to not have to make decisions- are not the kind of people who are going to bother listening to how it will effect others, either now or in the future.

Have fun at all your multiple-booked dinners everyone.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

The statement that you "believe" in this issue is hysterical Noone's posts here "bother" me rather they amuse and perplex me and I posted my observations. And you're correct, I don't consider Disney restaurants on the same level as my friends and family. I never claimed to NOT be judgemental, nor have I ever posted stating "I always do what I know to be right" or that I "treat people as I would like to be treated" , because I know it's not right to call people "inconsiderate", "selfish", or to say "serves you right" or to tell someone "it's wrong". I also didn't single anyone out with MY post....

I'd like you to reread my post. It says that I believe this practice is wrong. I didn't say I "believed in this issue". When people consider something to be wrong, or right, they believe that.

I certainly don't consider Disney restaurants to be on the same level as my family or friends, either, but I believe that all people deserve courtesy, period, even people I don't know.

I never claimed not to be judgmental, either. In fact, I posted a few days ago about how we've become too accepting in general as a culture and we would do better to be a little less accepting and that in many cases making judgments is essential.

I never called people those things, I said that those *acts* were selfish, inconsiderate, etc. And they are! Everyone has done something selfish once or twice, I don't claim to be perfect, but I do always do my best to do what I know is right (granted, sometimes we don't *know* and make mistakes) and treat others how I would like to be treated.

I didn't single anyone out, I responded to a variety of comments that I found to be interesting. I never personally attacked anyone or singled anyone out. I do find it amusing that you stated that you never singled anyone out, because *clearly* that's what this post was all about. You went back and located almost every response I made. As flattering as it is that you cared so much about what I had to say, it certainly did single me out.

It's not right to tell someone that something they're doing is wrong? Does that sound logical to you? How many times are we all told this throughout a lifetime? By teachers, parents, bosses, friends, family, etc. They do it because they want to teach us to be better. *You* even told *me* it's "not right" (a synonym for wrong) for me to tell others that what they are doing is wrong. How can you tell me that it is wrong for me to tell others that they are wrong?
I believe that those who make excessive reservations, knowing that they cannot fulfill all of those commitments are behaving selfishly and are being inconsiderate of others. Those who took advantage of the system and had their reservations cancelled were merely reaping the consequences of their actions.

If a child comes up to a crayon box in class and takes twenty, when 15 other children are waiting, the teacher tells them to share, and takes away the excessive crayons. This is all the rest of us are asking- why can't people put back a few ADR's so others can share them?

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

You know, honestly, I've never gotten this theory.. the whole "sometimes you do something that's not completely right, therefore it's okay for me to break whatever rules I feel like" theory. Seriously, I've been asking people to explain this for years. I mean, if it were a valid defense for bad behavior you could use it in court, right?

"Jury members, you all break the speed limit sometimes, don't you? And I know some of you must have cheated on your taxes as well! In that case, you can't say that me stealing that car was wrong!"

Yes, of course people do things they know aren't right, even if you try your best not to- but that doesn't mean I can't look at other actions in other situations and state that I wouldn't engage in the behavior and wish others wouldn't as well because I know the behavior is rude/inappropriate/inconsiderate/wrong.

I love it! It's the "No one's perfect, so let's all do whatever we want and no one can tell me I'm wrong" theory!

 

[The Sweetness]

Here's an idea. When a person calls to make an ADR, they only get to make 1 per meal per day per room (they do know the names of who youre traveling with) (1 b, 1L, 1D etc). Get the persons name, and when they come in to eat, check their ID. No ID~ Either wait, or move on to CS... Have a lovely evening