OT: Suspected Terrorist on my street

[DisFan2]

I agree and IMHO they are here to get the BAD guys that would be us just as we are over there to get the bad guys it is a vicious circle that is not soon to end and IMHO we just feel better about it because it is our military that is doing the dirty work not us. As for the people living with the young fellow who was arrested on Sandra's street does anyone know for certain that the parents knew about it because I can honestly tell you at that age my parents didn't know everyone I hung out with or all the things I was involved in. We give our children freedoms and hope they make good choices sometimes they do sometimes they don't as is the case with that young fellow. I know no one said his parents knew but the insinuation that the family of the boy should be out doesn't fly could you imagine the riddicule they must be feeling they are probably scared to death to be out knowing full well how people feel about them because of their childs actions. So yes the mob mentality we seem to produce in vandalizing a place of worship wether it be a mosque or a catholic church see the IRA reference is IMHO as bad and cowardly IMHO take it to the people not the place they worship in for those that go to church could you imagine how you would feel if your church were vandalized and such because you were Irish and the IRA was just caught plannig to blow up something here hey you aren't a member of the IRA but the mob mentality is you are Irish so we will persacute you the same as if you were one of the people planning the attack. Again it is a vicious circle and we perpetuate the cycle day after day.

Wow Charles,

I can't believe you're going to argue there's a moral equivalence between Canadians and/or Canadian troops and al-Qaeda and/or Taliban fighters. But since you appear to have done just that, here's the difference between our "bad guys" and their "bad guys":

We don't INTENTIONALLY TARGET civilians.
We generally treat women as equals.
We tolerate other religions.
We don't cut the heads off of innocent or guilty people.

I didn't "insinuate" the family of the alleged terrorist should go out into the community - I argued if anyone had a duty to respond to people in the neighborhood, it wasn't the people who had been threatened. The burden isn't on Canadians to prove they shouldn't be bombed.

And as far as "mob mentality" - which overhyped media reports are you referring to? I'm not aware of any mobs marching on mosques, cross burnings, or any organized protests directed at Muslims in Canada. None. Broken windows in one mosque isn't evidence of the work of a mob.

I disagree that we cause terrorism by FIGHTING AGAINST IT (your "vicious circle"). There's no alternative and there's no democracy that's safe - appeasement isn't a viable or realistic response.

 

[SandraC]

All of your opinions are just and well put ~ I thank you for your frankness. I drove by the mosque that Jamal attended. The thing that jumped out at me was actually across the street from the mosque. It was this lovely home with flowers bursting with colour and enough greenery to fill a forest. I was reminded to find the beauty and love this situation.

I asked dd if there was any "talk" around school about the arrests. She said, "nope". I invited her to talk to dh or myself about it. She is soooo uninterested.

Again, thank you all for your posts. Blessings, Sandra

 

[ferris198]

I for one do not believe that the media, nor law enforcement officials have blown this out of proportion.
I am glad that they made the arrests that they did before anything happened.
I worked in the financial district of Toronto for 15 years, we had bombs threats during the Gulf War where the building I worked in was eveacuated after a bomb was found on the floor above us.
On the September 11/01, my office was on University Ave. After the planes went into the towers, there was speculation that more were in the air. No one knew who the next targets would be. Friends and collegues in other buildings in the downtown core were scared for their lives, that is why at 10:00 am there were traffic jams on University Avenue and the other major arteries out of the downtown area. The TTC went on rush hour mode.
I for one applaud the media and our police for doing what they did.

 

[DisFan2]

I for one do not believe that the media, nor law enforcement officials have blown this out of proportion.
I am glad that they made the arrests that they did before anything happened....
I for one applaud the media and our police for doing what they did.

Count me in as number "two".

 

[digskat]

Another all hail the media speech they are reporting it all so it sounds from what you say in your post. No flaming here but did you ever stop to think that Canada and the US and Britian and any other country in Afganistan are also being viewed as terrorists mmhhmm you got it. Oh we are over there to get the BAD guys but what about all teh innocent peole we have killed ya ya I know an inherent cost of war blah blah so we blow up supposed instalations and attack supposed terror cells and kill them how about the poor innocent people over there that are being killed by the hundreds or thousands every month nope that doesn't matter to us we are here in Canada it isn't happening in our country and we are there fighting for the greater good but I ask the greater good of what. The people that plan these things are not the run of the mill Islamics no more than saying well the Irish are all about killing people and causing Terror because look they have the IRA. By vandalising the mosque in TO it shows a lack of forethought and an act of cowardace on our part and yes it makes us no better than those extremists thatr plan large scale terror attacks an attack is an attack large or small and is no better and makes us no better than the people we are trying to stop.

Wow, I have read your almost incoherent rant a couple of times, in the hopes of deciphering your point. I'll answer some of what I could understand.
1. At no point did I credit the press, I am far from pro media, and to believe everything that you hear/see from the media is foolish. However, it is not as foolish as believing that there was little risk. The amount of fertilizer was reported by the police, as was the incendary devices they had made. They have not argued that they purchased the amonium nitrate, nor the amount purchased, instead claiming entrapment and questioning their right to farm (In Mississauga and Brampton?)
2. Canada is not at war with Afganistan, they are there as peace keepers, with approval of Afganistan's reigning government. (surprise!). They are acting as police officers, they are not raiding, robbing or bombing. The 1000's killed, have been from Al Queda uprisings, against the Afganistan people. Canadian forces have not bombed locations where suspected terror cells possibly existed. Canadian Soldiers have completed the same peace keeping missions worldwide, and are highly respected for there integrity. I am disgusted by the allegations you have made, and I hope that no member of our military have read your post.
3. Had you actually read my post, you would have seen that I in no way condemn Islam, or condone the vandalism. This had nothing to do with the vast majority of the members of the Mosque, and some members actually brought concerns forward about Jamal's radical teachings. This has nothing to do with their religion, but their respect for human life. Had the suspected terrorists been Radical Roman Catholics, plotting to bomb a Baptist Church, I would have felt the same disdain. Had they been Christian Missionaries plotting to blow up a Mosque, I would hope they were prosecuted to the fullest extent. I AM A PROUD CANADIAN, AND PROUD OF OUR MULTICULTURISM !!!!!!
4. You are the one making this an us versus them religious issue. I had nothing to do with the vandalism, and I don't agree with it, and it has nothing to do with "us". It is cowardice, and no better than any other property crime, but comparing it to large scale terrorism is just plain ridiculous.

The OP was concerned because the terrorist suspect was in her neighbourhood, not that his family was. No one has said the family should have known, or should be deported. If I was the OP, I would be concerned as well, because the threat was real, and no one knows what aspect of the plan was in that neighbourhood.
I am not getting my knowledge that security has been increased from the media, but from my posistion as a Provincial employee. I know that a friend of mine was called to Toronto, to participate in emergency planning meetings. I know that another friend of mine, an Emergency Response Officer, is on increased alert. I know that an RCMP friend of mine, has been moved to a Toronto Office. I know that Nuclear Response teams are on advanced alert, because a former co-worker is a part of one of the teams. This threat was real, and not a figment of the media's imagination. This was thwarted by CSIS, the RCMP, the OPP, and Metro Police, who acted on proof, actual investigated information. The same information that has made both levels of government spend a boatload of cash to make people like "us" safe.

 

[Torontogal]

One of the suspected terrorists lives on my street too! I live in Mississauga. My neighbor friend lives across the street from the family and he came homne Friday night to City TV in his driveway. What street do you live on? I am located very close to the mosque, Meadowvale school, etc.

 

[F4disneyfan]

Wow, I have read your almost incoherent rant a couple of times, in the hopes of deciphering your point. I'll answer some of what I could understand.
1. At no point did I credit the press, I am far from pro media, and to believe everything that you hear/see from the media is foolish. However, it is not as foolish as believing that there was little risk. The amount of fertilizer was reported by the police, as was the incendary devices they had made. They have not argued that they purchased the amonium nitrate, nor the amount purchased, instead claiming entrapment and questioning their right to farm (In Mississauga and Brampton?)
2. Canada is not at war with Afganistan, they are there as peace keepers, with approval of Afganistan's reigning government. (surprise!). They are acting as police officers, they are not raiding, robbing or bombing. The 1000's killed, have been from Al Queda uprisings, against the Afganistan people. Canadian forces have not bombed locations where suspected terror cells possibly existed. Canadian Soldiers have completed the same peace keeping missions worldwide, and are highly respected for there integrity. I am disgusted by the allegations you have made, and I hope that no member of our military have read your post.
3. Had you actually read my post, you would have seen that I in no way condemn Islam, or condone the vandalism. This had nothing to do with the vast majority of the members of the Mosque, and some members actually brought concerns forward about Jamal's radical teachings. This has nothing to do with their religion, but their respect for human life. Had the suspected terrorists been Radical Roman Catholics, plotting to bomb a Baptist Church, I would have felt the same disdain. Had they been Christian Missionaries plotting to blow up a Mosque, I would hope they were prosecuted to the fullest extent. I AM A PROUD CANADIAN, AND PROUD OF OUR MULTICULTURISM !!!!!!
4. You are the one making this an us versus them religious issue. I had nothing to do with the vandalism, and I don't agree with it, and it has nothing to do with "us". It is cowardice, and no better than any other property crime, but comparing it to large scale terrorism is just plain ridiculous.

The OP was concerned because the terrorist suspect was in her neighbourhood, not that his family was. No one has said the family should have known, or should be deported. If I was the OP, I would be concerned as well, because the threat was real, and no one knows what aspect of the plan was in that neighbourhood.
I am not getting my knowledge that security has been increased from the media, but from my posistion as a Provincial employee. I know that a friend of mine was called to Toronto, to participate in emergency planning meetings. I know that another friend of mine, an Emergency Response Officer, is on increased alert. I know that an RCMP friend of mine, has been moved to a Toronto Office. I know that Nuclear Response teams are on advanced alert, because a former co-worker is a part of one of the teams. This threat was real, and not a figment of the media's imagination. This was thwarted by CSIS, the RCMP, the OPP, and Metro Police, who acted on proof, actual investigated information. The same information that has made both levels of government spend a boatload of cash to make people like "us" safe.

I am not saying the threat of terrorism isn't real it is very real just as real as being robbed or killed in TO by some kid wheeling a gun out of his jacket and shooting you dead as has been the case in the news quite frequently this year. Yes they bought the materials and it was more than was used to destroy teh fed building in Oklahoma but if memory serves that was for one target and the reports here were for multiple targets not that it is any better mind you. As for the take on what our soldiers are doing over in Afganistan the media is reporting the feel good side of it I have friends that have been over there and it is no picnic and the raids carried out by them in conjunction with the US and brits are far from humane as we would call it. We are not there in a peacekeeping role we are there to find the bad guys and get rid of them wether it be by non lethal capture or death it doesn't really matter. Our I am not saying terrorists aren't bad people but they view our soldiers as the eveil folks from the west trying to weed out theri evil doers how do you think they will react to that. We try to play by the rules they don't not that it makes either side better than the other but it isn't going to go away anytime soon sorry for my ramblings it just kills me to read the crap and see the pics of the people around the mosque that were in the torontostar online a few days ago the day after the arrests. See we strike at them they strike back at us it is a vicious circle one that won't end they are just now going to start to play it on our soil not just on theirs against our soldiers. it doesn't make it right by any stretch but they view us being there as a threat and they are striking back can't blame them for that it is after all for the most part human nature.

I would like to appologise Digs I didn't mean to offend you and it wasn't meant as a pardon teh pun a dig at you just the media and how things tend to be portrayed in our society today. Please accept my apology as I wasn't trying to disrespect your views with my ramblings we all have opinions and they are all different.

 

[digskat]

Accepted F4disney.

I guess we will have differing views on these issues. I am a proud Canadian. I am proud of the Canadian soldiers who sacrifice their time, family, and life in a role that 99% of the world sees as positive peace keeping.
I have a different view than alot of people when it comes to crime, because I work with criminals on a daily basis. People make errors in judgement, uneducated decisions.......... but widescale targetting of innocent people, is true cowardice.

 

[TiggerCat]

F4disneyfan,

Please don't make a comment that you are not able to substantiate with first-hand information. It is clear that you really don't have a clue what our troops are doing in Afghanistan and your statement that the press is only reporting the "feel good" side of the story proves it. Our soldiers are building schools and other infrastructure to help give the citizens a more modest living, while at the same time, trying to loosen the tight grip that the oppressive fundamentalists hold. Yes, that means taking lives, but that is the path that these criminals have choosen. I for one am not about to stand by and watch these thugs impose their tyranical will on the people of any nation, let alone our own. You may choose to throw bread at those who would be our enemies but I would prefer to eliminate them. Oh, and I fail to see how the repatriation of the remains of those soldiers who selflessly gave their lives to help stabalize Afghanistan can be considered a "feel good" story.

And for your information, the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Afghanistan want us there. It is only the thugs and criminals who want us removed. And you can rest assured that this informtion is from experience and not from the friend of a friend.

TC.

 

[DisFan2]

F4disneyfan,

Our soldiers are building schools and other infrastructure to help give the citizens a more modest living, while at the same time, trying to loosen the tight grip that the oppressive fundamentalists hold...

And for your information, the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Afghanistan want us there. It is only the thugs and criminals who want us removed. And you can rest assured that this informtion is from experience and not from the friend of a friend.

TC.

Remember the story about the little Afghan boy who was brought into the Canadian base with cancer? I have to tell you, I choked up pretty badly when I saw that; I have a son about his age. The first news report was that he was too far gone when they arrived and all they could do was ease his suffering. They showed many of the soldiers coming around, giving the boy toys, stuffed animals - and their hearts were obviously breaking, most had tears in their eyes. Follow the link, it's a heartbreaking but important story.

Neimatullah, a child from one of the most impoverished areas of this desert city, died at the Canadian provincial reconstruction team (PRT) base.

As he was immediately laid to rest in his village just north of here, the child's grandfather, a veteran of the mujahedeen war against the Soviets, and the local imam said actions taken by Canadians to ease the boy's suffering reshaped their view of the faraway western country.

"We were considered infidels," said Cpl. Brian Sanders, who was told of grandfather Taj Mohammed's comments following the funeral.

"The people there hated us. I mean, they really hated us, but he said Canadians are no longer considered infidels in that village and he'll remember what happened as long as he lives."

After his grandson's death, Mohammad said the kindness of Canadians won't be forgotten.

"Until I breathe my last breath I will remember what the Canadians did for my family," he said.

It was Sanders' appeal to his church, the North Edmonton Christian Fellowship, which raised $18,000 for the boy's cancer treatment in Pakistan.

Leftover money from the fund was used to bury Neimatullah on Thursday, the military said in a statement.

He was first brought to the Canadian satellite base last month with a massive cancerous growth on his face that had spread down his neck. At the time, doctors gave the boy little chance of survival.

Even though the inevitable did occur, Sanders said it was one of the most moving experiences of his life knowing that he helped ease the boy's misery.


I wonder if the Taliban or al-Qaeda would have done the same for a little Canadian boy who wandered into their camp....

And here's another bad guy, an American this time.

"Major Mark Bieger found this little girl after the car bomb that attacked our guys while kids were crowding around. The soldiers here have been angry and sad for two days. They are angry because the terrorists could just as easily have waited a block or two and attacked the patrol away from the kids. Instead, the suicide bomber drove his car and hit the Stryker when about twenty children were jumping up and down and waving at the soldiers. Major Bieger, I had seen him help rescue some of our guys a week earlier during another big attack, took some of our soldiers and rushed this little girl to our hospital. He wanted her to have American surgeons and not to go to the Iraqi hospital. She didn’t make it. I snapped this picture when Major Bieger ran to take her away. He kept stopping to talk with her and hug her."

(From Michael Yon.

 

[F4disneyfan]

F4disneyfan,

Please don't make a comment that you are not able to substantiate with first-hand information. It is clear that you really don't have a clue what our troops are doing in Afghanistan and your statement that the press is only reporting the "feel good" side of the story proves it. Our soldiers are building schools and other infrastructure to help give the citizens a more modest living, while at the same time, trying to loosen the tight grip that the oppressive fundamentalists hold. Yes, that means taking lives, but that is the path that these criminals have choosen. I for one am not about to stand by and watch these thugs impose their tyranical will on the people of any nation, let alone our own. You may choose to throw bread at those who would be our enemies but I would prefer to eliminate them. Oh, and I fail to see how the repatriation of the remains of those soldiers who selflessly gave their lives to help stabalize Afghanistan can be considered a "feel good" story.

And for your information, the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Afghanistan want us there. It is only the thugs and criminals who want us removed. And you can rest assured that this informtion is from experience and not from the friend of a friend.

TC.

Well lets see here I didn't say it was a friend of a friend it was a close friend that was in teh military he is now out. He was over there for a year and came home he did admit that what teh soldiers faced was no pic nic either but he just couldn't stomach the things they had to do in teh name iof freedom for our country not that we are really fighting for our freedom it is more for teh Afghan people. Not that that is a bad thing we all need to do our little part. I also have on record info about Canadian Snipers that have killed numerous insurgents so tehy call them and actually one CDN owns teh world record for longest distance for a kill. The US GOV wants to give the sniper teams a medal our Government does not because they don't think it is the image they want to portray of our soldiers again the feel good story... Just so you don't question this I will provide the links...

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/canada/article.jsp?content=20060515_126689_126689


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/713521/posts
Canadian sniper makes record shot
Canadian Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^ | July 9, 2002 | Stephen Thorne


Posted on 07/09/2002 7:37:02 PM PDT by Clive


A world-record shot by a Canadian sniper detachment could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview.

The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.

The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres on the second shot.

The first blew a bag from the hand of their target, an al-Qaeda fighter walking on a road.

"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition that his real name not be used.

"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.

The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.

But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.

Outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, the five Canadians divided into two detachments earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.

The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valor, marking exceptional bravery.

Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.

But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who, while nearly killing them several times over with friendly fire, owe many lives to their shooting skills.

"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James", a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who also asked that his identity not be revealed.

At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.

Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time.

"They really hammered us," said Bill.

He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."

They held off the enemy until darkness descended and they escaped.

"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.

"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said.

"If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."

Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.

"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five.

"Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."

At daybreak one morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when al-Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants."

Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.

In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them.

It was a 220-kilogram American bomb.

"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.

The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.

Bill and James looked at each other in disbelief.

"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."

On another occasion, an Apache fired a missile right over their heads. It slammed into a rock wall 200 metres behind them. The snipers took it all in stride.

"Unless you have walked in their shoes or been part of a Special Forces unit, you cannot understand the closeness in proximity that a sniper is to the enemy," said Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians.

"The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walk into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."

 

[ferris198]

I am not saying the threat of terrorism isn't real it is very real just as real as being robbed or killed in TO by some kid wheeling a gun out of his jacket and shooting you dead as has been the case in the news quite frequently this year.

You mustn't live in Toronto as the recent shootings, particualry last summer were pretty well all gang related with the exception of Louise Russo, and Jane Creba and it cannot be compared with what would have happened has these people not be apprehended.
I would much rather hear that the guy who is a suspected terroist is behind bars, as opposed to watching husbands, wives, parents and children wonder where their kin is as I did on the evening of 9/11.

 

[F4disneyfan]

I am not saying the threat of terrorism isn't real it is very real just as real as being robbed or killed in TO by some kid wheeling a gun out of his jacket and shooting you dead as has been the case in the news quite frequently this year.

You mustn't live in Toronto as the recent shootings, particualry last summer were pretty well all gang related with the exception of Louise Russo, and Jane Creba and it cannot be compared with what would have happened has these people not be apprehended.
I would much rather hear that the guy who is a suspected terroist is behind bars, as opposed to watching husbands, wives, parents and children wonder where their kin is as I did on the evening of 9/11.

I would love to live in Toronto but my wife wouldn't care to she is petrified of living there because of all the glorification in the media of all the gang shooting etc if I had it my way TO would be my home city.

 

[TiggerCat]

So what exactly are you trying to say F4disneyfan. Are you saying that our soldiers are immoral because they were forced to kill insurgents. What exactly do you think those snipers did? Do you think they were joking with each other about their intended targets? Let me educate you. It is a snipers job to assist the other ground forces by taking out targets of opportunity at safe distances. They don't do it because it is fun. They do what they do because they feel compelled to protect their comrades in arms. And exactly what our snipers have to do with what is wrong in Afghanistan is anyones guess.

You must really have a warped sense of what is really going on in Afghanistan if you really think that our soldiers are doing "bad things". If your close friend couldn't stomach what he was being asked to do, then he did the honourable thing by quiting. But don't broadbrush all of our hard-working dedicated men and women who willing put themselves in harms way because their government felt that it was critical to our national security. They do awesome work and they don't need misinformed individuals making general statements about how they are doing unspeakable things just because some people don't want to accept the fact that there are tyrants in this world who will not listen to reason.

I really don't think that you comprehend that the terrorists that were arrested were prepared to take as many lives as they could. All of your love and understanding will not change that. This was not a government plot and the sooner we learn to accept this fact, the sooner we will be able to deal with it in a productive manner. But please, stop blaming our soldiers for your inability to accept reality.

TC.

 

[digskat]

I would love to live in Toronto but my wife wouldn't care to she is petrified of living there because of all the glorification in the media of all the gang shooting etc if I had it my way TO would be my home city.

Charles;
reporting murders is not glorification, and believe me, there is a problem with gangs in Toronto. I work in Corrections, we get the killers, robbers, and rapers. While the number of murders is lower than most US cities, the gang action is definitely there. AK Kannan, Malvern Crew, Jane Finch Posse, and Regent Park Crew are real gangs, using real weapons, to kill real people. VVT and AK Kannan, two Tamil based gangs, waged war on each other 2 years ago in the Jane-Finch area. The Malvern and Versace Crews were killing each other a couple years earlier. Most of these articles are non-fiction.

 

[F4disneyfan]

So what exactly are you trying to say F4disneyfan. Are you saying that our soldiers are immoral because they were forced to kill insurgents. What exactly do you think those snipers did? Do you think they were joking with each other about their intended targets? Let me educate you. It is a snipers job to assist the other ground forces by taking out targets of opportunity at safe distances. They don't do it because it is fun. They do what they do because they feel compelled to protect their comrades in arms. And exactly what our snipers have to do with what is wrong in Afghanistan is anyones guess.

You must really have a warped sense of what is really going on in Afghanistan if you really think that our soldiers are doing "bad things". If your close friend couldn't stomach what he was being asked to do, then he did the honourable thing by quiting. But don't broadbrush all of our hard-working dedicated men and women who willing put themselves in harms way because their government felt that it was critical to our national security. They do awesome work and they don't need misinformed individuals making general statements about how they are doing unspeakable things just because some people don't want to accept the fact that there are tyrants in this world who will not listen to reason.

I really don't think that you comprehend that the terrorists that were arrested were prepared to take as many lives as they could. All of your love and understanding will not change that. This was not a government plot and the sooner we learn to accept this fact, the sooner we will be able to deal with it in a productive manner. But please, stop blaming our soldiers for your inability to accept reality.

TC.

I wasn't blaming anyone I was pointing out that our soldiers are overlooked by our government the US government want to give them commendations our government didn't want them to and delayed it because it glorified what they were doing and that isn't teh Canadian way we aren't agressors we are peace keepers and this showed a side to the public that they didn't want us to see. To no fault of teh soldiers and if you read into a post that I am blaming our soldiers for doing their jobs you are sorely mistaken just like the terrorists wouldn't be blamed by their own groups for doing their jobe as it would be...

 

[F4disneyfan]

Charles;
reporting murders is not glorification, and believe me, there is a problem with gangs in Toronto. I work in Corrections, we get the killers, robbers, and rapers. While the number of murders is lower than most US cities, the gang action is definitely there. AK Kannan, Malvern Crew, Jane Finch Posse, and Regent Park Crew are real gangs, using real weapons, to kill real people. VVT and AK Kannan, two Tamil based gangs, waged war on each other 2 years ago in the Jane-Finch area. The Malvern and Versace Crews were killing each other a couple years earlier. Most of these articles are non-fiction.

Yep the gangs are for real just as they are in almost any large American city and the little punk kids running around London at night with reckless abandon like the shooting and stabbing deaths they had in the last 2 weeks here. What does that have to do with me wanting to live in Toronto or any larger city? My FIL is a firefighter in London and the lady who was stabbed by her ex who was out on parole he tended to and just a small bit of info that not many people know when they arrived to aid her she was laying on her back they started CPR without checking her and it forced the knife in her back to push all the way through her. Now we can run around in circles about this whole terrorist thing for ever many feel we are taking the moral high road because we are fighting the bad guys which is true but our bad guys also feel they are taking the moral high road because they are fighting our good guys which they percieve as bad guys no matter how you look at it there is no good way to end this situation lives will be lost both innocent and not people will die mothers fathers sisters brothers etc it is the cost of being in this situation I just don't let it get to me like others do.

 

[Cass]

It is scary. Arrests were made not too far from me as well. One my employees neighbours was arrested (he lives on Periwinkle)

Thank God they were stopped though.

 

[mousy_in_canada]

F4disneyfan you are in the minority here and I for one feel that you don't know what you are talking about and you are just posting to get us all fired up. We can't or won't change your mind. You can think what you want but honestly you need to grip on what our men and woman are doing over there to help, but until you come to reality there is no sense fuelling this debate with you.
This post was made by Sandra who feel off because someone so close to home has been arrested, I think we should get back to supporting her and other people who are in the same position as her and get off the debate platform.
I am adding you to my ignore list as I find your posts very upsetting on this topic.

 

[digskat]

Yep the gangs are for real just as they are in almost any large American city and the little punk kids running around London at night with reckless abandon like the shooting and stabbing deaths they had in the last 2 weeks here. What does that have to do with me wanting to live in Toronto or any larger city? My FIL is a firefighter in London and the lady who was stabbed by her ex who was out on parole he tended to and just a small bit of info that not many people know when they arrived to aid her she was laying on her back they started CPR without checking her and it forced the knife in her back to push all the way through her. Now we can run around in circles about this whole terrorist thing for ever many feel we are taking the moral high road because we are fighting the bad guys which is true but our bad guys also feel they are taking the moral high road because they are fighting our good guys which they percieve as bad guys no matter how you look at it there is no good way to end this situation lives will be lost both innocent and not people will die mothers fathers sisters brothers etc it is the cost of being in this situation I just don't let it get to me like others do.

Are you PUI (posting under the influence)? You said yourself, that you wanted to live in Toronto, but your wife didn't because the media glorified gang killings. In other words, it isn't as big a deal as it appears, the media makes it a bigger issue. I answered that the gang issue is a serious thing, and it is bigger than most realize.
The kids in London, aren't real gangsters, I deal with them all of the time. The EOA, Los Locos, MBD, Chaos Crew, etc., are just kids trying to emulate the movies. They claim to be bloods or Crips, but two days later, are hanging out with 'rival gangs'. There is a biker issue in London, but the out of control kids, are exactly that, out of control kids with weapons, not gang bangers.
I am not sure where your murder story was coming from, or what your point is with it. I agree, it can happen anywhere. 2 summers ago, an elderly man was murdered during a home invasion, in a rural community of less than 100. I questioned your allegation that the media played up gangs, not your desire to live in Toronto. The only issue I have with Toronto is the traffic, and crazy cab drivers.