OT - Rumor alert - IPHONE/VZW announcement June 28th

[peacelovemickey]

Sorry for the ignorance here.....I am not too technologically smart. Will I be able to buy one at the Apple store and take it to Verizon for set up? My contract is not up until Dec. 2010, but I don't think I will be able to wait that long if it becomes available in the summer! I enjoy my Storm, but it is just so "buggy." I have to completely re-boot several times a week. It is starting to run pretty slow as well.

 

[Hedy]

I will have an iPhone the day after this happens.

Same here.

 

[FireDancer]

The iPhone will be coming to Verizon next year. I'm not sure if the announcement will be in January as that will be the unavailing of the iSlate (or whatever the actual names ends up being).

 

[astrodrummergirl]

Over in the uk our previous only iPhone provider (o2) recently lost it's exclusivity and by early next year there will be three carriers in the uk offering the iPhone.
I wouldn't expect any 'deals' or 'offers' tho when exclusivity is lost, all the uk carriers give pretty much identical tariffs. I guess it's still so popular that they don't NEED to offer deals

4 technically Vodafone, Orange, O2 and Tesco Mobile. My current contract runs out in April so am waiting to get a new one til then, not that I'm already using a friends previous iPhone now or anything Will probably be going with O2 or Vodafone, since I don't get any signal at home in London, or at DBf's in Essex on orange.

 

[SnackyStacky]

Sorry for the ignorance here.....I am not too technologically smart. Will I be able to buy one at the Apple store and take it to Verizon for set up? My contract is not up until Dec. 2010, but I don't think I will be able to wait that long if it becomes available in the summer! I enjoy my Storm, but it is just so "buggy." I have to completely re-boot several times a week. It is starting to run pretty slow as well.

Currently, the Apple store won't let you out of the store with an iPhone that doesn't have service. Whether or not that changes when/if they start offering them on multiple carriers, I don't know.

 

[zulemara]

The iPhone will be coming to Verizon next year. I'm not sure if the announcement will be in January as that will be the unavailing of the iSlate (or whatever the actual names ends up being).

I'm already drooling

 

[drakethib]

I must be an oddball or pretty lucky.

I have both a Verizon work phone an a personal Iphone (AT&T) andI really dont see where AT&T is all that bad service wise and I have not had as many dropped calles as I hear others do.

The are some areas that my verizon will work and AT&T won't and vise versa.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

I was just reading a technical article the other day, basic synopsis was that if lot of people buy an iphone on VZW it's doubtful their network will be able to handle it. The iphone is the cause of a lot of ATT's problems

 

[drakethib]

I was just reading a technical article the other day, basic synopsis was that if lot of people buy an iphone on VZW it's doubtful their network will be able to handle it. The iphone is the cause of a lot of ATT's problems

I read the same article.

I don't believe any carrier was prepared for the success of the Iphone.

 

[k5jm]

I read the same article.

I don't believe any carrier was prepared for the success of the Iphone.

Here is the problem with the carriers. I am going to uses ATT as an example...

Each site uses non-channelized T1's (1.544mb per circuit) to carry the IP (internet traffic). The Cell Sites typically use 2 T1's for GSM/GPRS/EDGE traffic and up to 4 T1's for 3G (up to 6mb per site). Typically there is only 1 or 2 T1's turned on for 3G at a site. Even though ATT Wireless is part of Telephone ATT, ATT Wireless still has to pay landline ATT or other carriers for T1 Access into their sites. The new Cell site packages are very small and relatively inexpensive (less than $100,000 for the master radio system). Most companies, like the ones you and I work for, use 1 or 2 T1's to access the internet. That bandwidth is normally enough for a couple hundred people. But the real question is "what is the load at each site and what are the loads on the Cities with the bandwidth problem?" Also remember that data is secondary to voice traffic. The ATT backbone can handle the traffic, so the bottleneck is the last mile to each cell site.

ATT has a map for that.

Each carrier is going to have this problem until they either move up to a fractional or full DS3 to the cell sites or up to an OC3 or OC12 (not cheap and not available everywhere).

 

[dpuck1998]

Here is the problem with the carriers. I am going to uses ATT as an example...

Each site uses non-channelized T1's (1.544mb per circuit) to carry the IP (internet traffic). The Cell Sites typically use 2 T1's for GSM/GPRS/EDGE traffic and up to 4 T1's for 3G (up to 6mb per site). Typically there is only 1 or 2 T1's turned on for 3G at a site. Even though ATT Wireless is part of Telephone ATT, ATT Wireless still has to pay landline ATT or other carriers for T1 Access into their sites. The new Cell site packages are very small and relatively inexpensive (less than $100,000 for the master radio system). Most companies, like the ones you and I work for, use 1 or 2 T1's to access the internet. That bandwidth is normally enough for a couple hundred people. But the real question is "what is the load at each site and what are the loads on the Cities with the bandwidth problem?" Also remember that data is secondary to voice traffic. The ATT backbone can handle the traffic, so the bottleneck is the last mile to each cell site.

ATT has a map for that.

Each carrier is going to have this problem until they either move up to a fractional or full DS3 to the cell sites or up to an OC3 or OC12 (not cheap and not available everywhere).

*cough* NERD *cough*

but makes sense, at t1 is hardly enough to support the number of people that can access a tower at any given moment.

 

[chirurgeon]

Here is the problem with the carriers. I am going to uses ATT as an example...

Each site uses non-channelized T1's (1.544mb per circuit) to carry the IP (internet traffic). The Cell Sites typically use 2 T1's for GSM/GPRS/EDGE traffic and up to 4 T1's for 3G (up to 6mb per site). Typically there is only 1 or 2 T1's turned on for 3G at a site. Even though ATT Wireless is part of Telephone ATT, ATT Wireless still has to pay landline ATT or other carriers for T1 Access into their sites. The new Cell site packages are very small and relatively inexpensive (less than $100,000 for the master radio system). Most companies, like the ones you and I work for, use 1 or 2 T1's to access the internet. That bandwidth is normally enough for a couple hundred people. But the real question is "what is the load at each site and what are the loads on the Cities with the bandwidth problem?" Also remember that data is secondary to voice traffic. The ATT backbone can handle the traffic, so the bottleneck is the last mile to each cell site.

ATT has a map for that.

Each carrier is going to have this problem until they either move up to a fractional or full DS3 to the cell sites or up to an OC3 or OC12 (not cheap and not available everywhere).

*cough* NERD *cough*

but makes sense, at t1 is hardly enough to support the number of people that can access a tower at any given moment.

I guess I am a cellular nerd at this level too. I understood everything Mike said. It's what I do for a living. I work for Verizon and handle AT&T Mobility billing for the network portions they have in our territory. And I don't want to think about if everyone starts installing OC3s or higher. SONET makes my head hurt.

Kim

 

[sarahsar]

Looks like the VZW Iphone is around the corner....

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/12/21/rumor-moscone-schedule-corporate-event-verizon-iphone/

This rumor adds no new information. WWDC is around the same time as it has been the last couple of years, which had nothing to do with a Verizon iPhone. I'm not saying there won't ever be a Verizon iPhone, but Verizon execs saying the network is "ready" for it is a long way from it being a reality. I think the iPhone may appear on T-Mobile before it ever does on Verizon, for technical reasons.

(Maybe Verizon is thinking their attack ads against the iPhone finally scared Apple into it? A strange way to woo Apple, but who knows).

 

[sarahsar]

Sorry for the ignorance here.....I am not too technologically smart. Will I be able to buy one at the Apple store and take it to Verizon for set up? My contract is not up until Dec. 2010, but I don't think I will be able to wait that long if it becomes available in the summer! I enjoy my Storm, but it is just so "buggy." I have to completely re-boot several times a week. It is starting to run pretty slow as well.

Verizon and AT&T use different cellular technology. The iPhone that exists today will not work on Verizon (whether or not they would sell you one without an AT&T contract). Unlocked or not, it makes no difference.

For the iPhone to work on Verizon, they would need to make a version of it that supports CDMA or a version with both GSM and CDMA technology. It's anyone's guess as to whether or not Apple will do/is doing this. Pretty much the rest of the world uses GSM, albeit with some differences in bands, so the current iPhone works everywhere. If they make a CDMA version, it would be essentially just for Verizon (and maybe Sprint).

That's why I said in my previous post that going to T-Mobile makes more sense. T-Mobile is GSM like AT&T. It's currently possible to unlock an iPhone to work with T-Mobile. They do use different 3G bands, so you won't get 3G data speeds on T-Mobile, but everything else will work.

 

[chirurgeon]

Verizon and AT&T use different cellular technology. The iPhone that exists today will not work on Verizon (whether or not they would sell you one without an AT&T contract). Unlocked or not, it makes no difference.

For the iPhone to work on Verizon, they would need to make a version of it that supports CDMA or a version with both GSM and CDMA technology. It's anyone's guess as to whether or not Apple will do/is doing this. Pretty much the rest of the world uses GSM, albeit with some differences in bands, so the current iPhone works everywhere. If they make a CDMA version, it would be essentially just for Verizon (and maybe Sprint).

That's why I said in my previous post that going to T-Mobile makes more sense. T-Mobile is GSM like AT&T. It's currently possible to unlock an iPhone to work with T-Mobile. They do use different 3G bands, so you won't get 3G data speeds on T-Mobile, but everything else will work.

I don't think T-Mobile is a possibility. If AT&T is having trouble with too many people with the iPhone, T Mobile would have an absolute meltdown. They just don't have the capacity. Verizon and AT&T have the largest networks in the country.

Kim

 

[sarahsar]

I don't think T-Mobile is a possibility. If AT&T is having trouble with too many people with the iPhone, T Mobile would have an absolute meltdown. They just don't have the capacity. Verizon and AT&T have the largest networks in the country.

I also don't think T-Mobile is going to have gazillions of people signing up just because they get the iPhone. People who want to leave AT&T because they're not happy with the coverage aren't going to flock to T-Mobile in droves. Verizon customers who have been waiting for an iPhone on a network that isn't AT&T aren't likely to switch to T-Mobile. I agree that T-Mobile doesn't have the capacity for the kind of numbers AT&T has seen with the iPhone, but I think it's highly unlikely they would see that.

It was more of a hypothetical point, anyway. I don't really see Apple making some huge announcement that they're offering the iPhone on T-Mobile. My point was just that, technologically speaking, it would be a lot easier to do than to offer it on Verizon.

 

[Momof3Gr8kids]

That would be me. I was asking in general about E-ticket for other platforms And since Pete said they would not be developing E-ticket for the Blackberry, I knew I wouldn't get that phone. I was aiming for the Droid. Since my contract isn't up until August, around the time I am eligible for a new phone, hopefully the iPhone announcement will have been made.

Kim

DH just got the Droid. He switched from TMobile to Verizon. He was showing it to someone who is of the gotta rush out and get the best out there mentality and loves his IPhone. Well apparently this guy was amazed at the Droid and all that you could do with it. He said it was better than the IPhone. So, if you are thinking of the Droid I would still look into it.

 

[huey578]

I also don't think T-Mobile is going to have gazillions of people signing up just because they get the iPhone. People who want to leave AT&T because they're not happy with the coverage aren't going to flock to T-Mobile in droves. Verizon customers who have been waiting for an iPhone on a network that isn't AT&T aren't likely to switch to T-Mobile. I agree that T-Mobile doesn't have the capacity for the kind of numbers AT&T has seen with the iPhone, but I think it's highly unlikely they would see that.

It was more of a hypothetical point, anyway. I don't really see Apple making some huge announcement that they're offering the iPhone on T-Mobile. My point was just that, technologically speaking, it would be a lot easier to do than to offer it on Verizon.

Doesn't TMobile already sell the iPhone in Europe?

 

[sarahsar]

Doesn't TMobile already sell the iPhone in Europe?

I think they may. T-Mobile is one of the bigger carriers in Europe.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

Here is the problem with the carriers. I am going to uses ATT as an example...

Each site uses non-channelized T1's (1.544mb per circuit) to carry the IP (internet traffic). The Cell Sites typically use 2 T1's for GSM/GPRS/EDGE traffic and up to 4 T1's for 3G (up to 6mb per site). Typically there is only 1 or 2 T1's turned on for 3G at a site. Even though ATT Wireless is part of Telephone ATT, ATT Wireless still has to pay landline ATT or other carriers for T1 Access into their sites. The new Cell site packages are very small and relatively inexpensive (less than $100,000 for the master radio system). Most companies, like the ones you and I work for, use 1 or 2 T1's to access the internet. That bandwidth is normally enough for a couple hundred people. But the real question is "what is the load at each site and what are the loads on the Cities with the bandwidth problem?" Also remember that data is secondary to voice traffic. The ATT backbone can handle the traffic, so the bottleneck is the last mile to each cell site.

ATT has a map for that.

Each carrier is going to have this problem until they either move up to a fractional or full DS3 to the cell sites or up to an OC3 or OC12 (not cheap and not available everywhere).

I thought a lot of them were using microwave for backhaul, at least where the towers are close enough