OT: ease my mind about immunizations!

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

IPV = Intravenous Polio Vaccine
OPV=Oral Polio Vaccine

Yeah, from this chart it looks like polio was almost entirely eradicated before the vaccine. Oh wait, no it wasn't, I must have been looking at it upside down.

do you actually know/understand the argument??? If you did, you would know why this does not discount it. I am not saying I buy it, but it would do you well to at least familiarize yourself with the concept you are arguing against first.

 

[RhodyJim]

From what I have found, each disease had been virtually eliminated decades before the introduction of the relevant vaccine; through improved hygiene, better nutrition, clean drinking water and improved sanitation and health care. Basically, as people's overall health and immune systems improved, they didn't get sick. /QUOTE]

This pretty much sounds like someone who is saying that the vaccine had little to do with it.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Yes, this is exactly how the world works. Everything is bad when you have too much of it. A glass of water is good. 4000 gallons of water is drowning. You are exposed to all of the things in the vaccine every single day of your life, it is all a matter of amount.

not a valid argument for two reasons:

many chemicals (I am thinking many included in vaccines)are harmful in small amounts - the water analogy doesn't hold....

even IF we are "exposed to all those things...every single day", that does not mean we want them injected into our children unnecessarily.......(ETA: in that the chemicals are present unnecessarily..... )

 

[daisax]

I will repeat this AGAIN... the majority of incidences of people getting sick from vaccine preventable illnesses are in the VACCINATED population. NOT, in the unvaccinated population. :banghead: (do we have a bang head smilie? If not we definitely need one!)

This is reiterated over and over whenever you hear about an "outbreak." They call for everyone to make sure they are vaccinated but the people who are actually catching and spreading the disease are VACCINATED.

Interesting. I show dogs, and I know from experience that when there's a ferocious strain of kennel cough running through the show circuit, it's the vaccinated dogs that tend to get it, or get deathly ill from it, while the unvaccinated dogs cough a few days and move on. Haven't given bordetella vaccine in years and no sick dogs. Hadn't thought about it in human terms...

 

[RhodyJim]

not a valid argument for two reasons:

many chemicals (I am thinking many included in vaccines)are harmful in small amounts - the water analogy doesn't hold....

even IF we are "exposed to all those things...every single day", that does not mean we want them injected into our children unnecessarily.......

First. I was referring to someone who said that the amount doesn't matter, which it obviously does. Amount matters in everything.

But, "unnecesarily" is the word that I have a problem with in your sentence. Is it unnecessary like going to the doctor? Or unnecessary like getting an education? Or unnecessary like washing your hands?

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

double post...

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

First. I was referring to someone who said that the amount doesn't matter, which it obviously does. Amount matters in everything.

But, "unnecesarily" is the word that I have a problem with in your sentence. Is it unnecessary like going to the doctor? Or unnecessary like getting an education? Or unnecessary like washing your hands?

IN this case, I am not saying to get vaccinated is not necessary...I am saying the inclusion of many of these chemicals is. I could have been more clear, sorry.

 

[RhodyJim]

IN this case, I am not saying to get vaccinated is not necessary...I am saying the inclusion of many of these chemicals is. I could have been more clear, sorry.

Honestly, that is a fair argument. I apologize for jumping down your throat.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

Okay so a microscopic amount is okay but a gallon isn't??? Huh!

Yes! The radiation in an x-ray is okay. A million times that amount will kill you.

A vitamin C tablet is okay. One hundred can make you really sick.

The amount of caffeine in one cup of coffee is okay. The amount of caffeine in 100 caffeine pills can cause a heart attack.

I vaccinate my kids. My Mom lost her baby brother when he was 4 to polio.

Side note: One problem I do have with Gardasil. The commercial continuously says "the cervical cancer vaccine" That is NOT TRUE. It is an HPV vaccine. You can still get cervical cancer without being infected with HPV. Everytime I hear that commercial, it irritates me to no end. Tell people they are vaccinated against cervical cancer and they will get lazy with their Pap smears. Ugh. Maybe it is because I work in healthcare and so often it is emphasized that things MUST be clear to patients, but it seems unethical to me for them to say that.

As far as a conspiracy theory website that was mentioned back a few posts, someone asked why those websites are there if they are not true. I recently came across a very professional looking website, which obviously took hours to lay out. It had many pictures and whatnot. The topic? It was all about how the Denver Airport is a hub for the Queen of England and the Masons to join with Nazis and aliens to take over America. This is based on symbols at the airport, one of which is supposedly a "keypad" to the underground weapons area. The keypad has raised dots in symbols on it!! I saw the picture. It is braille for the sign it is on. heehee

I appreciate the sites mentioned may be reputable. But please keep in mind, not everything on the net is true. And check the source of "studies." My husband once told me about some product for ED that was endorsed by the "Association for Sexual Problems and Issues." It is not a recognized research or testing facility. Seriously, I could start the "Association for Vaccines in Children" tomorrow and post a study on the net that no children in my study ever had ill effects from vaccines. Granted, I have only studied my four kids, but I COULD post that on a website.

No matter what you think you want to do, research it, check sources and like I said, please don't believe everything you read on the internet, whether it is pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine. There are people out there who have studied this extensively and have good opinions. Find THEM and then make an informed decision.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Honestly, that is a fair argument. I apologize for jumping down your throat.

no problem!

I edited the post

 

[LanaJae]

Maybe a new thread should be started called "where can I get free vaccinations?," then it would at least be budget related.

Disney isn't requiring immunization records for admittance, but they do have a measurable population of immune-compromised guests.

Both extreme sides have stated their case, I'm sure a poll would indicate that neither brought anyone over to their "side."

The OP gathered enough advice to help make a decision.

Let's be done with this in a budget thread before a moderator has to waste time writing to people who are on the verge of behaving offensively.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Maybe a new thread should be started called "where can I get free vaccinations?," then it would at least be budget related.

Disney isn't requiring immunization records for admittance, but they do have a measurable population of immune-compromised guests.

Both extreme sides have stated their case, I'm sure a poll would indicate that neither brought anyone over to their "side."

The OP gathered enough advice to help make a decision.

Let's be done with this in a budget thread before a moderator has to waste time writing to people who are on the verge of behaving offensively.

there are three vaccine realated discussions currently in this board...they must be of interest to some here. You can't just ignore them????.....wouldn't that be easier than complaining? Who is "on the verge of behaving offensively???"

 

[Anjelica]

There are two states that do not have a religious exemption... Mississippi and West Virginia and to my recollection, they never did have it.

Every other state has a religious exemption, EVERY state has a medical exemption and about 20 or so states have a philosophical exemption.

Correct - that was the information that I knew of a year or so when I looked into this. Now I think Illinois has "talked" about being one of the states that won't allow exemptions for religious reasons but that has yet to come to fruitation.

 

[Anjelica]

Maybe a new thread should be started called "where can I get free vaccinations?," then it would at least be budget related.

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I need to find cheap Hep A/B vaccines and I can tell you I cannot find one place that does them for free. Now there are places that do it for lower cost but no place free (this is for adult Hep A/B).

 

[LanaJae]

there are three vaccine realated discussions currently in this board...they must be of interest to some here. You can't just ignore them????.....wouldn't that be easier than complaining? Who is "on the verge of behaving offensively???"

I posted at the beginning (and middle) of this one and I answered the question on the other. The problem isn't the threads, it's the argument between a few posters who are not helping anyone, they are one-upping each other.

I know I'm not the only one who is finding some of the posts way over the top.

 

[BeckyScott]

Both extreme sides have stated their case, I'm sure a poll would indicate that neither brought anyone over to their "side."

This is quite true.

Here's how it works-

The Mothers say the word "vaccine" and the Experts immediately stop listening.

The Experts say "scientific research" and the Mothers immediately stop listening.

In both cases, those are key words for an immediate shut-down of any real communication.

And then the days go by and the weeks go by and we are too busy arguing and nothing really gets accomplished, except our kids get older and there's still no cure. And that is a very very sad thing.

 

[AndyLL]

IN this case, I am not saying to get vaccinated is not necessary...I am saying the inclusion of many of these chemicals is. I could have been more clear, sorry.

Many of those chemicals are present, or used somewhere in the chain, in most processed food.

People seem to have a fear factor of the work 'chemical' and especially over the technical names of chemicals (such as sodium chloride)

After all... who on earth would want Dihydrogen Monoxide in their bodies.

Andy

 

[LanaJae]

I need to find cheap Hep A/B vaccines and I can tell you I cannot find one place that does them for free. Now there are places that do it for lower cost but no place free (this is for adult Hep A/B).

My mom was just checking into Hep A for a trip to Egypt and Israel because it was recommended. I believe it was about $50 at a convenience clinic. Those two are going to be hard to find, but many employers offer Hep B free. There might be a service organization that offers them once or twice a year, such as a Legion or VFW.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Many of those chemicals are present, or used somewhere in the chain, in most processed food.

People seem to have a fear factor of the work 'chemical' and especially over the technical names of chemicals (such as sodium chloride)

After all... who on earth would want Dihydrogen Monoxide in their bodies.

Andy

that is an exageration and over simplifying the issue - I don't fear the word chemical or "chemicals"..and again just because they appear elsewhere, does not mean they should be allowed in the vaccines or injected in young children

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I posted at the beginning (and middle) of this one and I answered the question on the other. The problem isn't the threads, it's the argument between a few posters who are not helping anyone, they are one-upping each other.

I know I'm not the only one who is finding some of the posts way over the top.

that is usually how these discussions go........if you do not care for the discussion, you can avoid it. If you think someone is violating TOS - you can report them. If it bothers you so much, why do you continue to expose yourself? NOt being snarky - jus being honest.....