OT: Dance or Gymnastics - What do I need to look for?

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I am going to be enrolling my dd in either dance class or gymnastics this fall. She will be 4 in October. Our objective is for her to have fun, improve her motor skills and coordination, and work out some energy once she can't spend as much time outdoors.

What should I look for or watch out for in dance/gymnastics schools or classes? I have no experience with this. I thought I remember someone saying something about being required to buy expensive costumes.

Any advice would be appreciated! :dance3:
 
At age 4, dance will be much more expensive than gymnastics. DD 4 recently quit gymnastics after about 6 months. We're not totally sure why she decided she didn't like it. Our goals were similar to yours, and she certainly had fun. They could wear anything, pretty much. Once they got to team age they were required to wear a team leotard, but that started at 5.

My SIL is taking DD & her cousin to weekly ballet/tap starting in september. The shoes and clothes are somewhat expensive, especially tap shoes ($28+). SIL mentioned specific tap shoes, ballet shoes, leotard (black), tights (pink), detachable skirt, and a "cute bag" for their shoes. Luckily she is paying for all that. :love:

From my research, the recital costume(s) are where it gets bad. I'm sure others will be able to help you with that.
 
I am going to be enrolling my dd in either dance class or gymnastics this fall. She will be 4 in October. Our objective is for her to have fun, improve her motor skills and coordination, and work out some energy once she can't spend as much time outdoors.

What should I look for or watch out for in dance/gymnastics schools or classes? I have no experience with this. I thought I remember someone saying something about being required to buy expensive costumes.

Any advice would be appreciated! :dance3:

With similar goals, my dd did both at that age. We went to the Y for gymnastics and a low key dance instructor with a grasp on reality. LOL. I don't know if there are many of those around. I'd be hard pressed to say which one had more effect on her development.
 
I think the Y has excellent programs. The gymnastics program is set up like an obstacle course and gymnastic skills are worked in throughout the course and the skillsets become more complex as the child progresses. The focus has been on fun and form and there is no uniform, etc. I feel fortunate that the Y around here has staff w/the correct training and passion to work with children. We are going to try tap this year and I found tap shoes at a consignment store for $5.
 

Hi :wave2: Just thought I'd chime in. I have no experiance w/ gymnastics but I can tell you what I spend for dancing. My DD is also 4, she started last year at the age of 3. Yes, it really helps w/getting out all that extra energy they have. Dancing has helped her learn how to act in a group and take turns. As far as the $$, yeah, it's a bit pricey. I pay $28/month tuition, costumes were about $125 last year (that was for 2 costumes total), $60 recital fee, tap shoes $25, & (this year) Jazz shoes $25.
For class they need to wear black leotards, any color tights, and either a skirt, jazz pants (black), or black stretch shorts.

Geezz, when you look at it like that, we spend a pretty penny, but I'm doing it all over again this year. It is an amazing experiance to see your DD on stage smiling and enjoying herself:hug: . Good luck with which ever class you put her in.
 
Both of my DDs (ages 6 and 11) have done dance since age 4. I agree that some studios can get out of hand with the costs, so just ask a lot of questions regarding that. Our instructor does really well in that regard, she has no requirements for color of leo, skirt etc. So I have picked up all of their practice attire at walmart or target. For shoes, until last year all of the shoes came from Payless. (Last year my oldest DD got to a point where they just didn't fit properly, so we needed to spend a little more $$ on her shoes.) As for receital, I have never spent over $60 for a receital costume and most have been in the 40-50 range. I will say however that now that my oldest is competiting in dance our costs have gone up considerably (competition fees, 5-6 costumes vs. 1, etc, etc), but I would think that would be the same if one continued in gymnastics also.

As for your goals you have...I think either gymnastics or dance will meet those. We had tried gymnastics, but my girls just didn't enjoy it as much as dance. So why not try asking your daughter, she may have a preference.
 
The older my DD gets the more expensive Dance becomes. She has to take ballet, jazz and tap each year (or she will die...drama). The costumes are very expensive (I think they were $90 a piece for the recital she had last June) and even the practice apparel is expensive. We buy from dance shops because they have her size (try to find a dance factory outlet in your area to get discounts). She's wearing adult sizes now so I'll be spending more money until she wants to stop which will probably be never since she's been dancing since she was 5 and she's going to turn 12 next week.

As long as she enjoys it and as long as I continue to feel proud to see her up on stage ... the money spent is well worth it.

For a 4 year old it shouldn't be too expensive, but as they get older...watch out!
 
Both of my dd's have been in gymnastics since they were two. We started then just to meet new friends and learn to play nice. :lmao: They both love it still.

Here is a link that might help you for what to look for in a gym. http://usgyms.net/choosing.htm

I think the most important thing to look for is whether the younger children are having fun and low staff to child ratio. At my girls gym in the rec classes there is one instructor to seven children. That seem to work out great.
 
My daughter has done gymnastics for the past 2 years (with a session off here & there) and it has been great. I agree that low teacher to student ratio is important, she ended up in a huge class this summer and it was less enjoyable for her, it was just more chaotic.

I would suggest observing a class or two, to see how they are run and if you feel comfortable about it. At this young age it should be about fun and very basic skills. I refer to it as organized play. Safety should be at the forefront.

We aren't required to buy any special costumes, kids don't even have to wear leotards (but of course she wants to and so we buy them...usually one fancier one from the pro shop (they are so shiny and pretty) and maybe another, cheaper one from Target).

Gymnastics has been wonderful for her physical development and confidence too. She was sooo proud when she learned how to do a forward roll all on her own.At her age (3) it isn't competitive at all, just lots of fun. Who wouldn't love running around, jumping on trampolines, into foam pits, swinging on rings...heck I want to join too. :)

I don't have any dance class experience yet...I am sure that's next.
 
My dd4 has done both, and Gymnastics is the winner for me and her. It is less expensive, I don't have to worry about finding a particular colored leotard/tights etc. Dance was very repetitve, basically they practiced the same routine for 5 months to get ready for a recital. My dd was pretty bored. Gymnatics has given her tons of confidence, she has alot of energy so it works perfectly to let her release some of it. My vote is for gymnastics!
 
My dd4 has done both, and Gymnastics is the winner for me and her. It is less expensive, I don't have to worry about finding a particular colored leotard/tights etc. Dance was very repetitve, basically they practiced the same routine for 5 months to get ready for a recital. My dd was pretty bored. Gymnatics has given her tons of confidence, she has alot of energy so it works perfectly to let her release some of it. My vote is for gymnastics!

I agree. My 4 1/2 year old has done 2 years of ballet, we are both getting bored. The cost of a year plus recital costume is $474 for Sept-May (also need to buy recital tickets & DVD = $90 more).

This year I decided to put that same daughter in gymnastics which costs me $400 for the Sept-March session, it is a further drive for me, but I think that the energy she will work off will be worth it! :)

That said, our oldest is a figure skater so anything is cheaper to me....;) I bought her new skates yesterday $759!!!:eek:
 
We do both. If she had to pick one, she would choose dance. She loves it and practices her routine all the time. We go to the YMCA because the program for younger ones is really strong. If she still loves it in a couple of years, I'll need to research the various studios.

That said, I keep her in gymnastics because I think it is so good for coordination, body awareness, balance, etc. We go to a gym that just does it recreationally. There is no competition part. The ratio is usually about 5 to 1, sometimes make-ups are there so it might be 6-1. What I love about it, is the atmosphere. All the teachers are wonderful and kid oriented. They get to know the families too so they always say hi to my sons as well. I found this gym through word of mouth which is probably the best way to go.
 
OK- dance studio owner here so I'm sure my opinions are biased. But actually, from what I've been told from the most recent 50 students that transferred over from other studios :cool1:, I am one of those realistic ones.

Actually in our town, gymnastics is more expensive at the local gyms (If you go to the Y or park district, it's probably less, but you are not getting the same equipment, experienced coaches, etc. Though to "try" an activity that's probably the way to go rather than spend the money, not to mention that they're 4 years old so as long as it's safe and fun, it's probably the same exercises they'd get at a gym).

DD has several friends who have done gymnastics for a 3 or 4 years. They are pretty strong and the movement is great exercise. Coordination is developed too. Also, great class experience- listening, taking turns, etc. I know that at some point unless they decide to do it full force and go 5-6 days per week/5 hours a day, they don't advance any more. Much of the local gyms' classes are little ones beginner classes and then more advanced team classes. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many "just continuing for fun or to get better but without the major commitment" gymnastic classes out there. (that's a plus for dance, there's usually competitive levels, pretty involved but not competitive levels, and just for fun once in a while levels)

Now heres my speel on dance... Dance is great exercise, develops strong bodies, helps with coordination, teaches class structure, PLUS they learn rhythm, expression, and performance (confidence). If done correctly, classes should be done in a fun way. We teach our students to love dance and to love seeing themselves dance. Dance studios are very different from each other though. Some focus too much on competition, some focus too soon on "disiplined" techniques, others don't focus on technique at all. A good studio would focus on all of those things in the right amounts at the right time in a student's training and at the right ages. So many little dancers stop because they feel too pressured or too bored. A good studio should be able to tell you what their strengths are HONESTLY-you should not feel like you are being fed a story. It is my business to tell prospective clients what our current parents say and what our current dancers have gone on to achieve. Actually, many of our new students come in from referrals and when someone that wasn't referred comes in and sits in the lobby, some of my kids' parents will give them the scoop on us and why they are with us. In my opinion, that's the best thing! When you do look for with a gym or a dance studio, ask around, go in and take a tour- see who you meet there and what they have to say.

As for all of those that complain about costume pricing- let me let you in on a little secret....costume prices are marked up by studios. So if you are paying $75.00 or up for a 4 year olds costume- you are paying alot. Now if you are ok with that, fine, I'm sure your studio thanks you for it. If not, find a new studio. Myself, we charge $50.00-$55.00 for most costumes for 4 year olds. That is marked up a LITTLE. Most studios use the mark-up to cover the extra time that teachers spend choreographing or at rehearsals. As the dancer gets older, the costumes are more expensive. It's inevitable, they are going to get more elaborate and size matters too. I'd have to imagine that with gymnastics though, if a student gets more involved and is in meets there are uniform fees and competition fees. I also just heard someone say that they paid $90 for a new gymnastic leotard for the meet and $800 to the gym for a portion of their beam routine to be choreographed- heck, maybe I need to get involved in that too:lmao: The beam is only one part of the meet!

I do have a beef with the people who say that dance was boring because they practiced the same thing over and over. Dance is repetitive- especially ballet. The point in repeating it is to MASTER it. Just because your child can "plie" (bend their knees) doesn't mean they are doing it exactly right. Do you really think you are paying for a teacher just to show your dancer how to bend? Maybe the first month the teacher was making sure their knees were over their feet and not turned in, and the second month they were watching for little butts sticking out in back, and the third month they were focused on back being up straight, oh wait and then we have to try it in other positions and with arms! Also, some of the repetitive is the "warm-up." Every dance class is going to do "plies"- from ages 2-22. Just like every gym class who start with forward rolls or another basic skill- it's a warm up! Now if a four year old class practices for an hour every week for five months on JUST the recital dance- find a new studio, but don't give up on dance! Most experienced studios will realize that at 4 years old, some kids will learn the dance and others will follow along. Keep a regular class going and just practice the dance for 10-15 minutes at the end of class each week for 2-3 months. Then add a few extra minutes to that part of class during the last few weeks. We used to do the practice ALOT thing and now we do the other. On stage, the kids perform the same either way. But at least now, during class they are still having fun and are not bored. And as for the gymnastics comparision- it's pretty repetitive too unless they are older or more experienced. Can you honestly say that in a gym they don't do somersaults every week or jump on the trampoline? Not that I'm knocking that. Again, there's a reason for repetition. I just think that saying it applies to dance only is unfair.

Another thing- the class attire? That irritates me too. If you sign up for gymnastics, yeah all you need is a leotard. That's just the luck of the sport, but that's got to be the least dressed sport out there! I just signed DD6 up for soccer (throwing a little something else into the mix besides dance classes) and spent $100.00 just on her uniform- socks, knee guards, cleats, shorts, shirt, etc. No matter what you sign up your child for, you do have to dress them accordingly. Dance gets such a bad rap for that, but really in comparision it's not that bad. I'll be the first to say that dance is expensive, but SO ARE MOST YEAR-ROUND ACTIVITIES! A little tip...Target and Walmart sell black or pick leotards and Payless sells dance shoes, as do other discount stores and if you need specific color leotards or specific shoes, go online to discount dance suppliers (or PM me and I'll get you good, cheap, quality websites! :thumbsup2).

Well, I'm going to shut up. I love what I do and feel very strongly about doing it! I say call around and get your info. Then go and check out both- and check out more than one place for each. Most places will allow you to try a free week or class. See which one she likes best. Either way, at 4 years old, both would be good exercise and hopefully, tons of fun! Let us know what you decide and how it goes. And if you do decide dance and need some advise, let me know. Anything for a fellow DISer!:goodvibes

And for those of you who gave up on dance, maybe try another studio or different style of dance. Or just have fun sticking with the gymnastics, but don't give dance classes in general a bad rap! Thanks!
 
My dd will be 4 on November 1st and she is doing both this fall. She started gymnastics over the summer and loved it. She also loves dancing and singing so I asked her if she would like to take dance class and she said yes so she is.

I have to agree dance is more expensive. 1.) It's a full 9 month commitment at $40/month for class - her class leotard and tights were $30 (required to match) - the recital costumes are $100 for 2 - her shoes are $36 ($18 for tap, $18 for ballet) and a $10 enrollment fee. The shoes we were told we could get from anywhere...but the tap are the tan color and I can't find them and the ballet are $17 at payless and they fitted her for the shoes they order so I'm a little more confident with that considering it's only $1. So for a year (well months) dance will cost me $536. But I'm excited to see how well she likes it.

Gymnastics - she just loves it. It's less expensive but still not cheap. It's broken into 2 fall sessions & 2 spring sessions, a summer session and a short August session. For summer it was $60 and consisted of June & July. Her leotard I got from the discount rack at the gym for $15. August session was $40. Fall sessions are $60 each but the enrollment fee for the year is $30. So for the same 9 month time frame (we'll leave out summer & August) gymnastics will cost $270.

My plan is to let her do both this year and have her decide next year (unless she picks the one I like least and then maybe still do both :rotfl: ) I think both are great but I do think that gymnastics is the better first time class for 2 reasons.
1.) It is less expensive so you're paying less to see if they truly have an interest and
2.) It's a less time commitment (in our case anyway) so if they don't like it they don't have to tolerate it very long. I'm a firm believer and not letting children just "quit" an activity so that is a big plus to me. If she had started gymnastics and didn't like it she would have only had 6 or 7 classes to get through. With dance if she doesn't like it she's got a whole lot more than that. Good luck deciding. I think organized activities are great for kids this age (well any age really).
 
I do have a beef with the people who say that dance was boring because they practiced the same thing over and over. Dance is repetitive- especially ballet. The point in repeating it is to MASTER it. Just because your child can "plie" (bend their knees) doesn't mean they are doing it exactly right. Do you really think you are paying for a teacher just to show your dancer how to bend? Maybe the first month the teacher was making sure their knees were over their feet and not turned in, and the second month they were watching for little butts sticking out in back, and the third month they were focused on back being up straight, oh wait and then we have to try it in other positions and with arms! Also, some of the repetitive is the "warm-up." Every dance class is going to do "plies"- from ages 2-22. Just like every gym class who start with forward rolls or another basic skill- it's a warm up! Now if a four year old class practices for an hour every week for five months on JUST the recital dance- find a new studio, but don't give up on dance! Most experienced studios will realize that at 4 years old, some kids will learn the dance and others will follow along. Keep a regular class going and just practice the dance for 10-15 minutes at the end of class each week for 2-3 months. Then add a few extra minutes to that part of class during the last few weeks. We used to do the practice ALOT thing and now we do the other. On stage, the kids perform the same either way. But at least now, during class they are still having fun and are not bored. And as for the gymnastics comparision- it's pretty repetitive too unless they are older or more experienced. Can you honestly say that in a gym they don't do somersaults every week or jump on the trampoline? Not that I'm knocking that. Again, there's a reason for repetition. I just think that saying it applies to dance only is unfair.

Sorry, OT!

I love dance and will never take my DD out of dance unless she wants out, but I find the four, five, six and seven year old dance numbers at the recitals a little boring. I've sat through years of it so I'm used to it. As the children get older, around 8 and up it gets so much better! Much more action.

I agree with all you've said about Dance. My DD loves the stage with a passion and enjoys Dance the most out of all of her activities...next to swimming. Learning and doing tap dance, for me, is not easy but fun. They had a parents class one year for tap that I participated in and it worked me out! I was so frightened at the recital because we had to perform too. My DD was there cheering me on and giving me pep talks because I was so nervous. After that experience I was hooked :rotfl: . I'd do again whenever they offer it. It got me into good shape and I think it got rid of about 50% of my fear of being out on stage in front of people.

Kudos to dance. :goodvibes
 
Sorry, OT!

I love dance and will never take my DD out of dance unless she wants out, but I find the four, five, six and seven year old dance numbers at the recitals a little boring. I've sat through years of it so I'm used to it. As the children get older, around 8 and up it gets so much better! Much more action.

I agree with all you've said about Dance. My DD loves the stage with a passion and enjoys Dance the most out of all of her activities...next to swimming. Learning and doing tap dance, for me, is not easy but fun. They had a parents class one year for tap that I participated in and it worked me out! I was so frightened at the recital because we had to perform too. My DD was there cheering me on and giving me pep talks because I was so nervous. After that experience I was hooked :rotfl: . I'd do again whenever they offer it. It got me into good shape and I think it got rid of about 50% of my fear of being out on stage in front of people.

Kudos to dance. :goodvibes

Good for you for getting out there!:cheer2: How cute that your DD was giving you the encouragement. Isn't is funny how "knowledgeable" they are once they have a year under the belt.:rotfl2:

Ya know what, I agree that the younger dances are hard to watch at typical dance recitals! I've gone and watched other local recitals and even with me watching for technique or choreography, it still gets long!
We do a full length productions (Peter Pan, Wizard of Oz, etc.) I know a lot of places out there do dances from a "show" and use music that represents that, but we actually have a main characters that carry through all the show and all of our little kids are intermixed into the scenes. Our shows are actually more like a theater companies shows. I can't tell you how many parents love the shows! You know it's been a good show if the dads and grandpas stay awake :lmao: Good for your DD for going on 7 years of dancing- what fun shows you have ahead seeing her grow and shine!
 
Gotta give my opinion on this.

If I had to choose between gymnastics and dance, I would pick dance in a heartbeat. I originally started out with gymnastics at the age of three, but I didn't like it so I switched to dance at age four. I have been dancing for thirteen years now--I'm seventeen--and I still LOVE it for all the reasons already given.

I agree that it's expensive, and the costumes don't help matters, but some studios are very reasonable in their prices. In fact, some studios have optional recitals--you don't have to be in it, but you still participate the whole year in class. But to me, the performances are the best part. There is nothing better than having everybody watch me. :lmao:

More young girls seem to want to dance, so I would give it a try first. Hey, if she doesn't like it, you can always do gymnastics instead. But whatever you choose, make sure your daughter has fun--that is the most important thing. :)
 
I have had a kid or more taking dance class for the last 7 years. My experience is a but different, however, because two of my 3 current dancers are boys.

When my second son was small he wanted to take tap dance in the worst way. I could not picture him in a class since most seemed geared toward girls, but one day I ran across an add for a boys tap class...all boys students and a male teacher! Even better, the classes were free for the first year - wow!

Well, 7 years later we are still dancing and they all love it and our studio. It is a family owned studio a man and his daughter, and I think having a male so involved creates a completely different feel to the studio...so much more laid back. We do not have to by matching practice leotards or anything of the sort. Lessons are comparably priced to any other lessons (swim, instrument, etc) and the recital costs are reasonable (no mark up for us...I spent $120 last recital for 3 kids!).

The best advice I have is to talk to other parents...listen to what they say (a couple, not just one). You may think she is only 4, but better to get into a studio that is a good fit just in case she wants to continue for many years.

We have a slew of students lately transferring in from other studios and many parents say they wished they had checked around more before starting so the switch was not needed.
 


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