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Does anyone have experiences or suggestions about how to help my oldest son (5th grade) deal with other boys who call him "gay" and make other similar comments to him.

Please, I'm not criticizing gay people at all--I'm the most open minded person you'll find. But the truth is that my son is quite upset about this and says lunchtime is horrible for him.

He's one of the few boys in choir, he plays in the band, he's a good student (in the Honors program at his school), and he's not athletic at all. He's never been popular or invited to all the birthday parties, and that's OK with him because he does have some kids he talks to and is friendly with.

But he's very upset about being teased by a group of about 3 kids in his homeroom (they have to eat lunch with their homerooms), and I'm not sure of the best way to handle these types of things. Changing over from his elementary school to middle school this year has been terribly stressful for him.

Any suggestions?
 
Yeah, that's about the age that term starts getting thrown around by boys. In my experience kids don't mean it in the sexual sense but more as a general put down like stupid, jerk, etc. Most schools are putting a big emphasis on bullying these days, sending a clear message that it's unacceptable in any form. I'd start by talking to the guidance counselor to get an idea of how bullying is handled in your school (is it taken seriously or brushed off) and let them know what's going on, that's it's beginning to affect your son's education (that really gets their attention). Hopefully they'll take it from there but if not it may be time to get more involved in the school and bring some focus to the general problem of bullying.

Good luck :hug: . We ran into this last year in 6th grade and DS parted company with one of his few close friends over bullying like this.
 
I don't think it's being used in a sexual sense either. DS does not want me to call the school because he thinks the kids will deny it and that he'll end up looking foolish.
 
My heart really breaks for kids targeted, doesn't matter if it's even one time. My DD is in fifth grade and she has a wonderful group of core friends, but she's one of those kids who wants everyone to like her, and if they don't, she takes is SO personally.

My suggestion to you is one given to me, and that's boost his own personal self-esteem because you can't change other kids. Be honest with him, that life is not always full of very nice people, and encourage him to express his feelings when they're hurt so you can help him. Maybe think about enrolling him in something like Karate which teaches self-discipline and self-esteem and is more inner soul and spirit than competitive sports. Lots of hugs, communication and understanding. The last thing you want to do is fix everythign for him because that's unrealistic in life, but you do want him to know you're on his side and if things get out of hand, you WILL step in and take care of it.

He should also be encouraged to talk to his teacher about it, as should you. My DD's teacher told me I'm her biggest advocate and nothing is too simple to bring out and talk about. I wish your little guy all the love and strength in the world. It can be a cruel time in a child's life and my thoughts are with him and you as you work it out.
 

What about calling the childrens parents? If it were my child, I would call and speak with the kid moms one at a time, and let them know what is going on, and that it is hurting your son. Talk to them about a tactful way to bring it up to their bullying boys without really bringing your son into the mix. There must be a book out there that deals with this subject. Don't let it go on - bullying 5th graders turn into bullying 8th graders and bullying 12th graders - it will never stop.
 
My DS(12) is in the 6th grade and was going through the same thing earlier this year. A boy in his grade who has been one of his best friends since Pre-K decided my son needed to be his target of aggravation. My DS would come home depressed everyday after school. Our school has a program to stop bullying. My DS went to the counselor(who is in charge of the program) and told him what had been happening. This child now has become a bully monitor. He has to carry around a notebook and write down when he sees someone being a bully. He has to write down the behavior and what the bully has done wrong. This child realized that HE was doing all of these things. The situation is much better, the boy apologized, and they are back to being friends.

If your son doesn't want you going to the principal...go to the counselor. But do step in if your son won't go for himself. Good luck.
 
You call the principal's voice mail today. Let her know what's happening and ask for an appointment right away... don't take no for an answer. Inform her that you'll be in on Monday morning.

Then you show up Monday for you 9 am appointment, fill in all the details and ask what will be done. You want concrete ideas, not "we'll do all we can" type of stuff.

Let her know that if you're not happy, you're calling: 1) The school board 2) your lawyer 3) The newspapers.

No child should be afraid to go to school. The schools are legally obligated to provide a safe learning enviornment.

REmind her that the phrase "zero tolerance" exists for a reason.

I'm a teacher-- I've seen how cruel kids can be. Those 3 kids in his homeroom, along with their parents, should be warned that ONE more comment will lead to some serious consequences. And there's no reason why he should have to eat with his homeroom if it's causing problems. The reason is to make it easy for the teachers, but here it's not working.

Get on this one right away.
 
My heart really breaks for kids targeted, doesn't matter if it's even one time. My DD is in fifth grade and she has a wonderful group of core friends, but she's one of those kids who wants everyone to like her, and if they don't, she takes is SO personally.

My suggestion to you is one given to me, and that's boost his own personal self-esteem because you can't change other kids. Be honest with him, that life is not always full of very nice people, and encourage him to express his feelings when they're hurt so you can help him. Maybe think about enrolling him in something like Karate which teaches self-discipline and self-esteem and is more inner soul and spirit than competitive sports. Lots of hugs, communication and understanding. The last thing you want to do is fix everythign for him because that's unrealistic in life, but you do want him to know you're on his side and if things get out of hand, you WILL step in and take care of it.

I concur with this line of thinking.

I heard an interesting guy speak several years ago on this topic. He pointed out that as a whole, we have put most of our resources into teaching bullies not to be bullies rather than teaching our kids not to be victims. So far, it hasn't worked very well. There is a delicate balance in deciding when to intervene as the parent vs. teaching kids the social skills to manage it on their own.

I'm sure my stance will be offensive to some and in no way am I suggesting that children choose to be bullied. However, if they are not taught strategies to stand up for themselves, the risk of it occurring over & over increases.

My DD, 10, has been involved in some of the "mean girl" type of bullying & I've had success in dealing with it using this approach.

www.bulliestobuddies.com is the website.
 
What about calling the childrens parents? If it were my child, I would call and speak with the kid moms one at a time, and let them know what is going on, and that it is hurting your son. Talk to them about a tactful way to bring it up to their bullying boys without really bringing your son into the mix. There must be a book out there that deals with this subject. Don't let it go on - bullying 5th graders turn into bullying 8th graders and bullying 12th graders - it will never stop.


I think going to the parents may make it worst.


I know I"m in the minority here, but I don't buy into the bully programs.

I believe the best way for a child to deal with a bully is to stand up to them. There's nothing wrong with someone defending themselves. If you're hit, you hit back.

Of course fighting back may result in detention or suspension, but I'm fine with that.

Once a bully figures out that you won't put up with their foolishness, they move on until they find someone who will.:confused3
 
I heard an interesting guy speak several years ago on this topic. He pointed out that as a whole, we have put most of our resources into teaching bullies not to be bullies rather than teaching our kids not to be victims. So far, it hasn't worked very well. There is a delicate balance in deciding when to intervene as the parent vs. teaching kids the social skills to manage it on their own.

I'm sure my stance will be offensive to some and in no way am I suggesting that children choose to be bullied. However, if they are not taught strategies to stand up for themselves, the risk of it occurring over & over increases.

My DD, 10, has been involved in some of the "mean girl" type of bullying & I've had success in dealing with it using this approach.

www.bulliestobuddies.com is the website.


I don't know - its great that your 10 year old has dealt with it in this way, but most children cannot. This is a very mature way of thinking, something that most young children cannot handle (nor most adults). In truth, I suspect that your 10 year old is just agreeing with you and going along with it because she knows Mommy must be right (because you are her Mommy, and Mommy's are all ways right... right?), but still has doubts in her own mind, because a child just cannot turn things on and off like a adult can. I really feel that you must call up the children's parent and principal and NICELY (no lawyer or newspaper threatening like another poster suggested, that is just ludicrous) have a conversation with them about how this is affecting your son. If it continues after the conversation, then take further action. I have to say, in school I was bullied, and not one teacher did a darn thing to help me, even though they heard it all. I would come home and tell my mother, and she would say to me that she didn't think the kids would do that unless I did something wrong to them. Of course, that was not true, I was a very nice young girl, and the children in my school were just rich brats who got away with anything and everything. It hurt, and I still carry that pain to this day, that is why you must nip it in the butt ASAP, but do it in the right way.

Also, while this is going on, make sure to give your baby boy a lot of :goodvibes :goodvibes :goodvibes and :hug: :hug: :hug: and don't forget some :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:
 
You need to inform the school and get a record started. Even if it doesn't help now, you can be sure that those specific kids are kept out of his classes in the future.
 
This is something that schools need to address, for everyone concerned.

Let's take your son out of the picture for a moment. Let's assume that he finds a way to stand up to these bullies and get them to back off.

Does anyone here think for a moment that these 3 kids are now going to become wonderful, law abiding citizens? Or do we think that they'll simply find another victim?

We owe it to them, and to society as a whole, to ensure that kids know that bullying is wrong and will not be tolerated.

Speak to the principal and start a paper trail.
 
I really feel that you must call up the children's parent and principal and NICELY (no lawyer or newspaper threatening like another poster suggested, that is just ludicrous) have a conversation with them about how this is affecting your son.

How old are your kids? I know you said you dealt with this yourself as a child, and believe me I wholeheartedly feel for you, but have you dealt with this as a parent? If you have you would know then that MOST parents don't give a care if it is their kid and will do very little about their kid's bullying behavior. They may bs you and say that they do, but when it comes down to it, they will always protect little Johnny or little Susie and do little. It is very few and far between that you meet parents who will really stop this as they should. I know disgusting, but true.

Yes I sadly know this firsthand. It is one thing to go through it yourself, which I did with one person in my 8th grade year. But it is a whole other ballgame to go through it with your child. The pain is almost unbearable.

OP, I highly recommend that you go to the administration and his teacher about this. This needs to be stopped and you need to stop it for him. It can lead to tragic consequences if you don't. Your son does need to also stick up for himself. I normally don't believe in violence, but if they say something, he needs to say something back. If they hit, he needs to hit back. A few years ago I would have NEVER ever said this, but today is a different story.

I have seen and lived first hand how it is to teach your child the "right thing" by being the better person, ignoring what the bully says, always being polite, etc. It doesn't work, sadly. It sets them up for more.

I did go to the administration and the adminstration was informed of EXACTLY what was going on through a written format, i.e. a paper trail. They were also informed of EXACTLY who would be held liable if this behavior continued. There are laws on bullying and I wanted to know why we were already in the 4th month of school and why no one had caught this yet as it had been going on at least for 2 months.

My child's bullying was so bad that other kids were going home to their parents and complaining of what was happening because they didn't know what to do. These parents in turn called me. When I noticed, and believe me I did, that my child was depressed I did do something about it and took him to counseling. But he wouldn't fess up, because he was so afraid of these kids, to anyone until it had already gone on for months.

By the next am I was up at that school, no appointment, unannounced. The principal and I had a meeting and then after school the principal/teachers and I had a meeting. Clear, level headed expectations were put on the table that were unnegotiable. There was no screaming, although alot of helpless crying, and no threats. But I was crystal clear in the paper trail I was leaving and the principal said she was very aware of what was going on here. I smiled and said good, then we are both on the same page. There has been one bump, but for the most part, the expectations have been met and the bullying has stopped dead in it's tracks.

None of the parents have come forward to say a word to my family. The one family my son was best friends with the kid and always at their home or him at mine. Those parents try to act like nothing happened. It makes me sick. I have zero respect for them and hope someone else pays them back in spades.

I believe in karma, and they will get their just desserts from this kid. I just hope I am made aware when it happens. I don't care how that sounds either, they have it coming. Their kids is doing bad things and they are unaware. It won't be long before it is drugs as the booze has already been passed around and drank. They aren't paying attention and she told me a year ago that she just can't control her kid. Who waves the white flag when a kid is 12? Oh well, their problem, not mine. He is headed down a bad path and they can thank themselves for not paying enough attention and intervening when they should have.:headache: Yes I am still mad as he$$.

I wish you luck with this. I know it is heartbreaking. PM me anytime.:hug:

For the other person who said it happened to her son, she intervened, the kid was made aware and now the kids are friends again, please, please have eyes in the back of your head regarding this "friendship."

This same exact thing happened with my own child, the child bullied. I thought the christian, "right thing" to do was to have my child forgive as this bully child said he was sorry and didn't realize what he was doing was wrong. He said he was just kidding and didn't realize he was being a bad person. I told mine that when someone says that, the thing to do was to give a second chance and forgive as everyone makes mistakes.

Well that was the biggest mistake of my life. He was the main bully this year and I wish to God I would have had my child forgive him (to teach my kid the right thing) but never give him a second chance and be friends with him again. This year has been the hardest thing to go through for my child and to sit back and watch it has been awful. Cut that friendship as real friends don't do cruel things to one another or mistreat one another. I know kids have to learn, but not at the expense of another's feelings.
 
This is something that schools need to address, for everyone concerned.

Let's take your son out of the picture for a moment. Let's assume that he finds a way to stand up to these bullies and get them to back off.

Does anyone here think for a moment that these 3 kids are now going to become wonderful, law abiding citizens? Or do we think that they'll simply find another victim? I completely agree

We owe it to them, and to society as a whole, to ensure that kids know that bullying is wrong and will not be tolerated.Again I agree.

Speak to the principal and start a paper trail.

Nice post.
 
I believe in karma, and they will get their just desserts from this kid. I just hope I am made aware when it happens. I don't care how that sounds either, they have it coming. Their kids is doing bad things and they are unaware. It won't be long before it is drugs as the booze has already been passed around and drank. They aren't paying attention and she told me a year ago that she just can't control her kid. Who waves the white flag when a kid is 12? Oh well, their problem, not mine. H is headed down a bad path and they can thank themselves for not paying enough attention and intervening when they should have.:headache: Yes I am still mad as he$$.

I wish you luck with this. I know it is heartbreaking. PM me anytime.:hug:


Your right, my girls are only 1.5 and 3, so no, I haven't had to deal with this first hand as of yet. But I still stand firm in my ideal that you need to contact the parent of the bullying child, whether through the school or picking up your own cell phone. You said yourself "Their kids is doing bad things and they are unaware." - If they are unaware, make them aware! I mean, the way you see it (from what I have read) is that your going to take care of your child - I totally agree with that - but your leaving the "bad" kids parents in the dark. Maybe your right, maybe they don't care, but how would you feel if your kid was the one doing the bullying, and parents and teachers were having meetings about him/her and you didn't know anything about it?! Wouldn't you want to have all sides of the stories? You said: "It won't be long before it is drugs as the booze has already been passed around and drank." These kids who are drinking and drugging are in your town - driving cars.... what if there was something you could have done (like contacting their parents back in 5th grade) that could eventually save their lives, or the lives of a stranger they may impact (literally). I understand that you can't save the world, but when you have an opportunity right in your hands, it is your adult, parental duty to do something about it. Maybe it wont make a difference, but at least you tried, and that's all you can do.
 
Ask your son how it would like this handled. Ask him what he thinks a good solution is.

Personally I think calling a 10 year old boys parents and telling them their "little angel" is a bully, is only going to make things worse. I would call the school and speak with both the principal and the guidance department. Make them aware of the problem. Ask them if they have zero tolerance at their school. Ask them what they are going to do about it.

Sadly bullying has become a huge issue in schools and needs to be addressed as quickly as possible in the hopes that things do not get out of hand.
 
I have to disgree with the posts that said it probably wasn't being used in a sexual sense. My son is in the 6th grade & one of the boys in his class LOVES Highschool Musical. My son "claims" that "everyone knows he's gay". First, I told him if I found out he was calling this kid gay he would be in trouble. (he says he doesn't) & then I asked him if he knew what gay meant. Without missing a beat he said "yeah, it means that boys like boys & girls like girls". So I aksed him how "everyone knew he was gay". (just to see what he'd say) He said that this kid "talks" like a girl, always sings HSM songs & during recess/fun friday plays hand games with the girls. Although I do realize that by kids saying gay it could me many things, (stupid, idiot, etc.) I think we under estimate what our kids know. In this case, unfortunately, the kids in my son's class are using gay in a sexual sense.
 
I have to disgree with the posts that said it probably wasn't being used in a sexual sense. My son is in the 6th grade & one of the boys in his class LOVES Highschool Musical. My son "claims" that "everyone knows he's gay". First, I told him if I found out he was calling this kid gay he would be in trouble. (he says he doesn't) & then I asked him if he knew what gay meant. Without missing a beat he said "yeah, it means that boys like boys & girls like girls". So I aksed him how "everyone knew he was gay". (just to see what he'd say) He said that this kid "talks" like a girl, always sings HSM songs & during recess/fun friday plays hand games with the girls. Although I do realize that by kids saying gay it could me many things, (stupid, idiot, etc.) I think we under estimate what our kids know. In this case, unfortunately, the kids in my son's class are using gay in a sexual sense.

I taught middle school for years. Usually (in middleschool terminology) if they say something is "gay"- its lame.. BUT I agree with this poster..... if they are calling your son GAY...they probably mean homosexual...I'm surprised a teacher hasn't intervened at all...I have heard boys calling other boys "gay"...and I've quickly put a stop to it...I had one male student in particular who hung out with mostly girls, who was in choir, quiet, sweet kid..didn't really do sports or "boy things" like skateboarding or whatever... He was teased...and I had a private meeting with the three boys and the principal (the victim of the teasing had no idea I did this) and we talked about how it would make them feel etc.... Honestly, I kept a close eye on it, and it really stopped after that meeting. What does your husband feel about the situation? Maybe coming from a male perspective...he would have his own thoughts on it.
You can't change who your son is, but you can encourage him to stick up for himself. If he is feeling alone, maybe he needs a good friend to lean on. Encourage him to invite a couple of the nice boys from his class to all go see a movie together or something. MAN, I'm not looking forward to my little girls growing up and dealing with this stuff!!!!
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About the gay comments--

I'm sure that his being in the choir is part of it, in addition to his not being athletic. They have also made comments to him about whether he wants to "get married" so I think there is somewhat of a sexual connotation here.

I do think that telling the parents is not going to do anything. On the one hand, the parents might say it's my son's fault and that attitude would encourage their kids to bully even more. On the other hand, the parents could get angry at their kid, and then the kid will take it out more on my son. I know one of the parents pretty well, and I'm uneasy calling her up about this. I just don't think that'll work.
 
About the gay comments--

I'm sure that his being in the choir is part of it, in addition to his not being athletic. They have also made comments to him about whether he wants to "get married" so I think there is somewhat of a sexual connotation here.

I do think that telling the parents is not going to do anything. On the one hand, the parents might say it's my son's fault and that attitude would encourage their kids to bully even more. On the other hand, the parents could get angry at their kid, and then the kid will take it out more on my son. I know one of the parents pretty well, and I'm uneasy calling her up about this. I just don't think that'll work.

Have a meeting with his teacher then.. make sure the teacher knows what is going on.... if she/he has time...perhaps the teacher can make rounds in the cafeteria or on the playground. The teacher needs to catch those boys in the act.
 


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