Orlando Nightclub Gunman Scouted Walt Disney World as Potential Target: Source

[Tonyz]

This will almost definitely add a security check to Disney Springs, no?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...potential-target-source/ar-AAgZ999?li=BBnbcA1

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Well, it *should*....

MG

 

[Princess Jes]

This will almost definitely add a security check to Disney Springs, no?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...potential-target-source/ar-AAgZ999?li=BBnbcA1

Well, it *should*....

MG

I sincerely hope so.
As long as they're well manned and don't cause huge delays on entering DS (or any park) id be happy to be scanned on every entry.
I'd rather be safe than sorry.
There was a... I won't use the word id like to... Person, on this very board after the Paris attacks that openly admitted that he hides knives in the bushes outside MK for his protection.
I don't want that kind of rubbish going on.
Scan everyone, it's far from the end of the world

 

[disneydeal]

It's an open mall with lots of entrances. What I'd be more worried about is the parks someone walking up to the security check point and doing evil right there where we are all waiting in huge lines all crammed together waiting for bag check.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

I'm not so sure on this one. First of all, why would a FBI agent contact PEOPLE magazine to tell them such information? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to anyone else especially so early on in this crisis?

There are some that think metal detectors and the like should be placed at Disney Springs now. However, one thing important to note is that IF this monster did in fact consider and scout Springs there was a reason he didn't choose it. Perhaps the security already in existence there was a deterrent?

 

[disneysteve]

I sincerely hope so.
As long as they're well manned and don't cause huge delays on entering DS (or any park) id be happy to be scanned on every entry.
I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this, Jes.

Where does it stop? Will we need to pass through security to get into the Poly for a drink at Trader Sam's? What about at the TTC before we board the monorail or boat to get to MK? What's to stop a gunman from taking out everyone on the ferry?

A number of years ago, there was a shooting at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C. They have excellent security. Where did the shooting happen? Right at the entrance. The gunman didn't get past security but he didn't need to. He shot and killed a security guard before being wounded by return fire.

If someone is intent on committing criminal acts, no amount of security will stop them. Set up a security perimeter at Disney Springs and the crime will happen outside of that perimeter. Think of the damage a car bomb would do in the parking structure or a lunatic with a rifle firing into the crowd from the roof of the garage. Maybe the security stop should be to enter the theme park parking lots or even to exit I-4 onto Disney property. See how ridiculous it can become? There have been cases of gunmen on an overpass firing at cars on the freeway below (not in Orlando but still).

I don't want to live in a world where I have to go through security at every turn. Almost everywhere we go in our daily lives qualifies as a "soft target" whether it's the grocery store, the bank, a restaurant, a religious service, or a movie theater, they are all places that could potentially be targets, and have been on various occasions. We need to just live our lives - and not live in fear. When we start being fearful to step out of our homes, the bad guys have won.

 

[NeuroCindy]

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this, Jes.

Where does it stop? Will we need to pass through security to get into the Poly for a drink at Trader Sam's? What about at the TTC before we board the monorail or boat to get to MK? What's to stop a gunman from taking out everyone on the ferry?

A number of years ago, there was a shooting at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C. They have excellent security. Where did the shooting happen? Right at the entrance. The gunman didn't get past security but he didn't need to. He shot and killed a security guard before being wounded by return fire.

If someone is intent on committing criminal acts, no amount of security will stop them. Set up a security perimeter at Disney Springs and the crime will happen outside of that perimeter. Think of the damage a car bomb would do in the parking structure or a lunatic with a rifle firing into the crowd from the roof of the garage. Maybe the security stop should be to enter the theme park parking lots or even to exit I-4 onto Disney property. See how ridiculous it can become? There have been cases of gunmen on an overpass firing at cars on the freeway below (not in Orlando but still).

I don't want to live in a world where I have to go through security at every turn. Almost everywhere we go in our daily lives qualifies as a "soft target" whether it's the grocery store, the bank, a restaurant, a religious service, or a movie theater, they are all places that could potentially be targets, and have been on various occasions. We need to just live our lives - and not live in fear. When we start being fearful to step out of our homes, the bad guys have won.

I completely agree. If they want to hire more security to be there, sure, but don't put in metal detectors.

 

[gdrj]

I completely agree. If they want to hire more security to be there, sure, but don't put in metal detectors.

Increasing security presence at main areas of entrance to Disney Springs will most likely happen. From parking decks and parking lots as well as "inside" Disney Springs.

 

[SarahDisney]

I'm kinda torn.
I think that living in fear is letting the terrorists win, and I don't think we should let fear of terrorism rule our lives.
But ... metal detectors don't bother me. I have to go through metal detectors when I go to a baseball game. I occasionally have to go through metal detectors to get into certain buildings. I don't find them to be particularly bothersome or violating.

I don't have a problem with metal detectors ... but I also don't want terrorism to change how I live my life. So I'm torn.

 

[disneysteve]

I don't have a problem with metal detectors ... but I also don't want terrorism to change how I live my life.

I don't have a problem, in general, with metal detectors either in appropriate settings. A place like Disney Springs that is a vast open-air mall isn't an appropriate setting for them IMO. In order to do that, they would need to build a fence/wall around the place so that it could only be entered at a couple of select points. That would totally change the look and feel of it. That's very different than the Magic Kingdom that only has one entrance. It's much easier to have a security checkpoint in that setting.

 

[SarahDisney]

I don't have a problem, in general, with metal detectors either in appropriate settings. A place like Disney Springs that is a vast open-air mall isn't an appropriate setting for them IMO. In order to do that, they would need to build a fence/wall around the place so that it could only be entered at a couple of select points. That would totally change the look and feel of it. That's very different than the Magic Kingdom that only has one entrance. It's much easier to have a security checkpoint in that setting.

That's an excellent point. It's definitely more difficult to set up metal detectors at Disney Springs without totally changing the experience. And that's something I hope doesn't happen.

 

[Princess Jes]

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this, Jes.

Where does it stop? Will we need to pass through security to get into the Poly for a drink at Trader Sam's? What about at the TTC before we board the monorail or boat to get to MK? What's to stop a gunman from taking out everyone on the ferry?

A number of years ago, there was a shooting at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C. They have excellent security. Where did the shooting happen? Right at the entrance. The gunman didn't get past security but he didn't need to. He shot and killed a security guard before being wounded by return fire.

If someone is intent on committing criminal acts, no amount of security will stop them. Set up a security perimeter at Disney Springs and the crime will happen outside of that perimeter. Think of the damage a car bomb would do in the parking structure or a lunatic with a rifle firing into the crowd from the roof of the garage. Maybe the security stop should be to enter the theme park parking lots or even to exit I-4 onto Disney property. See how ridiculous it can become? There have been cases of gunmen on an overpass firing at cars on the freeway below (not in Orlando but still).

I don't want to live in a world where I have to go through security at every turn. Almost everywhere we go in our daily lives qualifies as a "soft target" whether it's the grocery store, the bank, a restaurant, a religious service, or a movie theater, they are all places that could potentially be targets, and have been on various occasions. We need to just live our lives - and not live in fear. When we start being fearful to step out of our homes, the bad guys have won.

So why have security anywhere at all in that case?
Remove them from airports because they can kill hundreds in line at TSA check (due to the back up and lines there) just as they can kill hundreds on a plane?
It works both ways.
A bit of extra security won't hurt in the areas that are more densely populated.

I'm the opposite of PC and certainly don't want to seem like we're living in fear of any fool who wants to shoot up a populated event/area, in fact, in Australia, we don't have metal detectors at sporting events, our security at airports is far different than in the states, we can still access the terminal and gates without a boarding pass, so additional security isn't something I'm used to.
But in a country that holds their gun laws and rights so closely, I'm happy to go through extra security when in an area frequented by so many innocent people

 

[disneysteve]

So why have security anywhere at all in that case?
Remove them from airports because they can kill hundreds in line at TSA check (due to the back up and lines there) just as they can kill hundreds on a plane?
It works both ways.
A bit of extra security won't hurt in the areas that are more densely populated.

I'd love to see them scale back the nuisance security at the airports. Because one lunatic tried unsuccessfully to ignite something in his shoe 15 years ago, millions of travelers are forced to go barefoot through security at airports all over the place. Has that really made us safer?

I'm fine with extra security, but there are places where metal detectors make sense and places where they don't make sense. I think Disney Springs is one of those places where they wouldn't make sense. It's not a contained space like a theme park with limited and controlled access points. So maybe the extra security there needs to take a different form - more plain clothes and uniformed officers, more cameras, lookouts on the rooftops, whatever.