Orlando Airport ground transportation update

WillCAD said:
According to my source, who is a researcher for a major WDW guidebook, DME lost over 2,000 pieces of luggage in its first 60 days of operation. Not misdirected, not delayed, but totally lost, never again to be found - and they reimbursed each Guest for those lost items.
We should not blame ME for a high rate of lost bags without more data and information proving the loss occurred between the airport and WDW. ME has graciously "owned the problem" that is, taken the responsibility for the bags by eliminating the need for guests to get their bags from the Orlando airport carousels. ME has never(?) (hardly ever?) sent guests back to the airport (via ME?) to resolve baggage complaints directly with the airline.

Accepting responsibility for lost bags is not the same as losing the bags.
Pinnie said:
Under my door was the ME information for the room NEXT DOOR! Those people had a flight for 8:30 a.m. and were long gone by the time we got up and sent the paperwork to the desk downstairs. The guy at the desk told me, "It happens alot" nie
My comment of long ago (May?) patches over this situation 100% of the time: "Get return vouchers (bus tickets) and a reserved bus time in writing at least a day before checkout if not sooner".
 
seashoreCM said:
We should not blame ME for a high rate of lost bags without more data and information proving the loss occurred between the airport and WDW. ME has graciously "owned the problem" that is, taken the responsibility for the bags by eliminating the need for guests to get their bags from the Orlando airport carousels. ME has never(?) (hardly ever?) sent guests back to the airport (via ME?) to resolve baggage complaints directly with the airline.

Accepting responsibility for lost bags is not the same as losing the bags.

Are you implying that it's actually the airlines that lost all those bags? If so, why would all of the many airlines who deal with DME lose only DME passengers' bags, only at MCO, at 60 times normal? That doesn't make sense to me; I think it's clear that it was DME who lost all those bags.
 
SInce Disney does not even release formal attendance numbers... I would doubt any "friend of friend" type souce info.

Not to mention that you would think at least ONE of those posters would have been on here.. I can't recall one "NEVER FOUND" story!

If your "friend of friend" has formal Disney facts then they should be used. The airline facts are accurate since the FAA MAKES them report. Anything else is suspect.

I am beginning to wonder about the motivations here.
 
A. Bus B. train C. car. I usually travel ALONE and seperate transportaion from Greyhoud/Amtrak stations was $65.00 round trip. I now fly BECAUSE of ME! The plane fare is about 125.00 roundtrip! The train and bus was $60.00, took 4-5 hours to get there, and the plane gets me there in an hour! :Pinkbounc Also, I do not have to pay for transportation, as the "mouse" provides me with FREE transportation, so yes I am saving a LOT! I think its a bit much to pay 100.00 for a "limo" to take you to your hotel and back to the airport, when you can do it for free! Sure, its nice, but I go 3-4 times a year and don't have 400.00 to throw away just on Transportation! :confused3
 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...9,0,5170409.story?coll=orl-business-headlines

Door-to-door luggage service takes off
Orlando-based BAGS Inc. is growing rapidly as tourism partners such as Disney World sign up for its program.


Beth Kassab | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted December 19, 2005


The way people move through airports is changing here in Central Florida and elsewhere across the country.

Curbside luggage check-in is becoming more rare. Stops at baggage claim are declining. And the lines at ticket counters are shorter than ever.

One Orlando-based company is taking a leading role in the evolution of hassle-free travel -- or at least that's its goal.

"Somehow, someway this little company got tapped to do this," said Craig Mateer, owner of BAGS Inc. "BAGS is really just a small, aggressive company that has a lot of big partners."

What started at one International Drive hotel in August 2003 has grown into a cross-country venture that now includes Hawaii and, soon, Guam -- and which expects to serve its millionth customer by the beginning of next year.

While BAGS (which stands for "baggage airline guest services") isn't the only company pushing door-to-door luggage service and remote-site check-in for airline flights, it has catapulted this year from several hundred passengers a day to thousands.

The reason is Disney's Magical Express, a free shuttle-and-baggage service between the Walt Disney World and Orlando International Airport.

An average of about 10,000 tourists use the service each day, according to Disney figures. Moving, checking and screening all of their luggage has led to the development of the first large-scale "virtual airport" in the United States -- a model others are now trying to replicate.

"It's all in customer service," said Jose Hernandez, landside-operations director at San Diego County Regional Airport Authority.

Hernandez, who was in Orlando recently to tour the Magical Express operation, has his sights set on bringing off-site check-in and baggage services to his airport in Southern California.

"Our focus is, at this point, really nationwide success," Mateer said. "We want to take the Orlando template and perfect it while we're out there starting other cities."

BAGS began at the Rosen Centre Hotel on International Drive and quickly began to move toward the cruise industry, printing airline boarding passes for passengers while they are still at sea.

Now, Mateer said, the service is in a dozen major cities and expects to continue to grow next year.

Other major players in Orlando tourism are looking at setting up their own services.

Universal Orlando spokesman Tom Schroder said his resort had "preliminary, exploratory conversations" with a company called Baggage CK but hasn't talked to the company in months.

"We're not ready to talk about future business plans or strategies," Schroder said. "Being at the forefront of guest service is important to us, but we always want to find a way to do it with a Universal touch."

BAGS has expanded so quickly because it has an agreement to use technology for a "virtual airport" from Air Inc., allowing it to print airline boarding passes from hotels, convention centers and from cruise ships at sea.

It also has developed a system for transporting luggage so that travelers don't have to haul it through the airport. Instead, more travelers are growing accustomed to the convenience of checking their luggage at their home airport and not seeing it again until they arrive in their hotel room or on their cruise ship.

The idea for the service started with a Nevada-based company called CAPS (Certified Airline Passenger Services) that ran remote check-in services from 13 hotels in Las Vegas. After the terrorist attacks of September 2001, federal security officials prohibited the practice, and CAPS went under.

In the past three years, though, the U.S. Transportation Security Administration has changed its mind, welcoming services that, in Disney's case, allow thousands of bags to be screened outside the main airport terminal.
 
Pinnie said:
I had an incident last week at the BCVs. Under my door was the ME information for the room NEXT DOOR! Those people had a flight for 8:30 a.m. and were long gone by the time we got up and sent the paperwork to the desk downstairs. The guy at the desk told me, "It happens alot"

How hard is it to read the room numbers on a door and slip it under the correct one?

The same thing happened to our friend staying at OKW in November. He got someone's ME information under HIS door.

I'll stick to renting a car, thankyouverymuch.

pinnie

The paperwork for ME comes one day before departure, so I doubt if they were long gone. :confused3
 
PCFriar80 said:
The paperwork for ME comes one day before departure, so I doubt if they were long gone. :confused3


It happens. I got someone else's hotel bill last week at my hotel in Birmingham.....

(How hard is it.. if you are over 40 it can be hard LOL!)
 
While I rented a car for the convenience, I did use the on-site bag check at OKW. It is a great service, and we had no problems at all. I did not realize it was a contract company, but I did tip as I would any skycap, as I was unfamiliar with whether it was considered a "tipped" position. The only problem was he was having problems printing Delta's boarding passes. I used the boarding pass kiosk at the airport without any problem. Just be sure, if you book online, to print out the barcoded receipt from Delta and have it with you to use the kiosk.
 
safetymom said:
... allow thousands of bags to be screened outside the main airport terminal.

I didn't realize that this happened. So, those white trucks take the luggage to a remote location to be screened? and then take them to the airport?


Ed
 
Tyler, why wouldn't Disney in-source DME/DCL buses? All I ever hear about the Mears employees are complaints.
 
amejr999 said:
Tyler, why wouldn't Disney in-source DME/DCL buses? All I ever hear about the Mears employees are complaints.

In-sourcing DME at this point, with so many people using it every day, would cost Disney a fortune in new busses and CMs. It's not a matter of being cheap, it's just that the added expense of bringing the service into the Disney fold would be so incredibly high that Disney would take a bath on it.

Maybe some day, after DME becomes a pay service, and Disney would have some way to recoup the expense, they might in-source.
 
According to the reports Disney is paying the airport something like .50/passenger. I suspect the airport gets much more money if those guests used another method of getting to WDW. Parking, rental car concession fees and even the fees paid by taxis and limos are probably much higher.

The airport may not have been talking about limiting the numbers so much charging Disney a higher per passenger fee if the numbers went above a certain.

The airport could just limit the number of slots and buses that are permitted per day and let Disney decide how to handle it.



safetymom said:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-disneyexpress1505dec15,0,2584864.story

I found it interesting how the Airport authority wants to limit how many people can use DME. What if you are the next person that wants to use the service? Will they make you take a towncar???? :(
 
safetymom said:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...c21,0,211411.story?coll=orl-opinion-headlines

Here is something from the opinion page of today's Orlando Sentinel.

The article says:
Unfortunately, however, airport executives seem to view the service as more of a threat to airport revenues than a significant improvement to airport operations. While they're still crunching numbers, they worry that Disney's service may reduce concession fees from rental car operators, which now support about 17 percent of the airport's operating budget.


There's a simple answer to that potential problem: Reduce the airport's dependence on car-rental fees by exploiting the economic development potential of its massive land holdings -- particularly at Orlando Executive Airport.

The airport derives revenue when guests leave MCO. Airport concession fees are paid by the rental car agencies, taxis and limo companies. People who pickup passengers frequently pay to park. I don't think very many DME guests would otherwise be picked up by a friend who doesn't even park the car in MCO.

The simple answer is to increase the fee that Disney pays MCO. There really isn't any reason why DME shouldn't be paying its fair share of the airports overhead.
 
Lewisc said:
According to the reports Disney is paying the airport something like .50/passenger. I suspect the airport gets much more money if those guests used another method of getting to WDW. Parking, rental car concession fees and even the fees paid by taxis and limos are probably much higher.

Assumption?????
 
As DVC members, we fly to WDW 3-4 times per year. We have tried every way possible to get from the airport to the resort including limo, taxi, MEARS and rental car. By far the one with the worst record for us is the limo. We have tried three different companies and had bad experiences ranging from rude drivers to no-shows with all three. We finally settled on renting cars from National using Emerald Isle.

This year we have done ME twice with no problems. It takes us about 15 minutes more to get to the resort than using a rental car, but it is hassle free. I disagree with the poster who said that ME is the same as MEARS. Having used both, I find the staff working with ME to be more courteous and have an overall friendlier attitude than the MEARs employees did. They may be the same people, but they are behaving differently.

I really miss the CMs with the big white hands greeting us when we get off the shuttle!

As long as Disney doesn't charge for ME and the service remains good, we will continue to use it. If not, we will probably go back to renting a car. I know we will NOT use a limo service.
 
ralphd said:
Assumption?????

The .50 fee that DME pays MCO has been posted in many articles. The article safetymoom linked said the airport is losing revenue from the rental car companies.

The Concession Recoupment Fee at MCO is 9.8%. Assumning a one day rental price of $28.95 gives you $2.85. The airport is only getting $2 if 4 guests use DME, $1 if a couple would otherwise be renting a car. Now assume most guests will be renting a car for their entire vacation and the airport concession fee is $10-$20.


We can debate if the airport has been gouging the ground transportation companies or if this a good way paying for the airport.

My opinion is the airport should be charging Disney enough to cover the fair share of airport overhead from DME guests.
 
Lewisc said:
The simple answer is to increase the fee that Disney pays MCO. There really isn't any reason why DME shouldn't be paying its fair share of the airports overhead.

I'll agree with that. Any transportation company that runs a business in the airport should be required to pay the same consession fee.

If DME is really paying only 50 cents per passenger, I wonder what Mears is paying? They may have been sliding in under the radar for years, as it were.

Despite my aversion to Mears, and by extension to DME, I would be opposed to limiting the number of people that either service is permitted to handle. If DME or Mears can operate as a successful business, and the towncars, rentals, and taxis can't compete, it stinks, but that's the way of the world. I do think that making them pay a fair consession fee to the airport is a must, however, as is making them both obey all the same rules as the rental and towncar and taxi companies.
 
DME isn't anything like the prior Mears service.

Passengers bypass baggage claim so DME only operates from one location at MCO. Mears operated from 4 locations and there were delays with buses making stops within MCO, sometimes even having to go to the other side of the terminal. DME is free. That means a lot of passengers. That means guests don't have to wait very long for a bus to be dispatched. The bus doesn't have to stop at more than 3 or 4 resorts. The Mears buses would make more stops and the resorts were spread out, some even offsite. I understand Disney is responsible for dispatching the buses. Mears doesn't have the option of letting the buses sit long enough to completely fill it up or adding extra stops to fill the bus.

My recent experience is 55 minutes from landing to arrival at CSR. That includes the 15 minutes it took to get from my plane to the DME welcome desk.



WillCAD said:
Despite my aversion to Mears, and by extension to DME, I would be opposed to limiting the number of people that either service is permitted to handle. If DME or Mears can operate as a successful business, and the towncars, rentals, and taxis can't compete, it stinks, but that's the way of the world. I do think that making them pay a fair consession fee to the airport is a must, however, as is making them both obey all the same rules as the rental and towncar and taxi companies.
 














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