Order to do the following rides:

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On Friday, August 24 there will be morning extra magic hours so the park opens at 8am. These are the following rides we would like to do:

Peter Pan
It’s a Small World
Pooh
Tea Cups
Barnstormer
Dumbo
Journey of the Little Mermaid
Prince Charming Carrousel
Mickey’s Philharmagic
Haunted Mansion

We have no fast passes (using them in the evening at HS for slinky dog dash, etc...) Do you think the order that I have them listed is a good order to try to get through them? Anything I should switch around? How long do you think we will need to get through these?

Thanks!
 
Agree with Tksolomom. Put Small World after Philharmagic on your way to Haunted Mansion.

What time are you hoping to be finished at MK and heading to HS?
 
Ok.

Does this look better?

Peter Pan
Pooh
Barnstormer
Dumbo
Tea Cups
Journey of the Little Mermaid
Prince Charming Carrousel
Mickey’s Philharmagic
It’s a Small World
Haunted Mansion

We would like to be done by 11/11:30. We are heading back to our resort and not going to HS until 5:00.

It's a Small World is pretty important to us and it's pretty far down on the list now. That is my only concern.
 

Ok.

Does this look better?

Peter Pan
Pooh
Barnstormer
Dumbo
Tea Cups
Journey of the Little Mermaid
Prince Charming Carrousel
Mickey’s Philharmagic
It’s a Small World
Haunted Mansion

We would like to be done by 11/11:30. We are heading back to our resort and not going to HS until 5:00.

It's a Small World is pretty important to us and it's pretty far down on the list now. That is my only concern.
I would do It's a Small World right after Peter Pan it's right next to it. Because it is important to us too lol. I would rather ride it then Pooh. Lines usually dont start to build for it until after 10:00 though. Pooh should be right after that because lines seem to build up on it faster then the rest.
 
Ok.

Does this look better?

Peter Pan
Pooh
Barnstormer
Dumbo
Tea Cups
Journey of the Little Mermaid
Prince Charming Carrousel
Mickey’s Philharmagic
It’s a Small World
Haunted Mansion

We would like to be done by 11/11:30. We are heading back to our resort and not going to HS until 5:00.

It's a Small World is pretty important to us and it's pretty far down on the list now. That is my only concern.
I think the Small World placement is fine, as that line typically moves really well.
 
I think the order looks good. The only question would be if you want to move HM after Tea cups as that line can get longer than a lot of the others. But, that also creates more backtracking.
 
I think the order looks good. The only question would be if you want to move HM after Tea cups as that line can get longer than a lot of the others. But, that also creates more backtracking.

I think I'm going to leave HM where it is. Theres a good chance that we will actually fit it a few nights prior during out evening at MK. Hopefully anyway.
 
For me, HM, like Pirates, is one of those rides I can do over and over and never get tired of as there is so much to see.
 
Personally, I think it sounds like you will be backtracking. I would do:

PP
HM
SW
Pooh
Teacups
Dumbo
Barnstormer
Ariel
Carousel
Philharmagic-then out of the park

If you get HM out of your way early, just take if off the list. You could easily switch BS and Dumbo, too.
 
To start with your last question first: This should take you less than three hours. Even going really slowly or making the wrong choices you will be done in plenty of time for a relatively early lunch.

That being said, I have some suggestions (at least one of which will go against popular wisdom)

First, I think the last two attractions on this list you should be Its a Small World, followed by Mickey's Philharmagic. Yes, you are going to walk past these attractions to get to Haunted Mansion, but you are also going to walk past them (or could choose to) to get from Haunted Mansion to the exit. IASW and Mickey's Philharmagic are both longer attractions (14 and 12 minutes) together (ride + wait + walking) these two attractions will take just shy of 40 minutes. Slotting that 40 minutes prior to Haunted Mansion allows the line at HM to grow while you are riding attractions whose lines will stay pretty steady until lunch time.

Second, I don't agree that you should do Peter Pan first. Every one is correct that by doing it first you will the shortest wait at Peter Pan, but while you sit and wait in line at Peter Pan, the lines for all of the other rides will grow. You should do Pooh first. if you go to Pooh first the wait will be under 5 minutes, then when you move on to PP it will be about 20 minutes of a wait there. If you go to PP first (unless you are jostling for position and fighting the crowds at the front of rope drop) the wait will still be close to 20 minutes for PP, but by the time you have waited for and ridden PP the line for Pooh will be around 10 to 15 minutes.

I might even push PP back even later and do it on my way to HM, getting the the other five fantasy land rides in during that first hour, but that is a little riskier.

Most people seem to think the best touring strategy is to take the longest line they might wait in and make it as short as possible by riding that ride first. This does indeed work in decreasing that one line, but often, while they wait to ride that single ride, all of the other lines increase. Sometimes they could have ridden four or more rides in a relatively empty park with no waits instead of that one ride. Those four rides might end up each having a wait of 20-40 minutes later, that saving an 40-60 minutes in that one line might mean adding 80-160 in other lines, costing up to an hour of touring time.

Of course, your situation is no where near as extreme as that. My way might (or might not) save you 10-20 minutes, and even doing it the worst way I could come up with would still mean you were done around 11:45 (instead of 11:00.)

EMH combined with a slow park day (due to the MNSSHP that night) should lead to a nice relaxing morning. Don't worry about it too much.
 
Personally, I think it sounds like you will be backtracking. I would do:

PP
HM
SW
Pooh


If you get HM out of your way early, just take if off the list. You could easily switch BS and Dumbo, too.

HM isn't open for AM EMH meaning it can't be done until after 9. It has to go later...
 
I might even push PP back even later and do it on my way to HM, getting the the other five fantasy land rides in during that first hour, but that is a little riskier.

(due to the MNSSHP that night) should lead to a nice relaxing morning. Don't worry about it too much.

So if I did Pooh, Teacups, Dumbo, Barnstormer and Little Mermaid first, then went to PP, what are we talking for wait time at PP?
 
So if I did Pooh, Teacups, Dumbo, Barnstormer and Little Mermaid first, then went to PP, what are we talking for wait time at PP?

According to Touring Plans (which is usually pretty accurate especially in MK) you would probably arrive at PP a few minutes after 9:00 (although I bet you would be there a few minutes before 9) and your wait would be approx 22 minutes. They think you would walk out of Mickey's Philharmagic having done everything on your list at 10:37 in this scenario. If you did PP second they think you would finish everything at 10:44. So it could potentially save you seven minutes.

That being said, PP can be tricky, and the line could escalate quicker than touring plans predicts and it could be a 30-35 minute wait, which is why I would probably still do it second, but that is just me. Like I said, you are going to be done between 10:30 and 11:30 no matter what you do, and you shouldn't see a line longer than 25 minutes and probably only PP over 20. Unless you are in a hurry to get to HS or someplace for an early lunch then I would just relax and enjoy.
 
I have rope dropped Peter Pan many times and as long as you are in MK a half hour before official opening and line up directly in front of the left path leading to the castle entrance, you will have a 5-10 minute wait. Absolutely do Peter Pan first. Waits here build exceptionally quickly and you could easily find yourself in a 40 minute line.

My order would be:
Peter Pan
Pooh
Little Mermaid
small world
Haunted Mansion
Carrousel
Tea Party
Barnstormer
Dumbo
PhilharMagic

I'd expect to be done by 11-11:30ish, depending on walking speed, bathroom breaks, and other diversions. Touring Plans can be overly optimistic and doesn't consider some of those things.
 
PP
Pooh
Tea Cups
Barnstormer
Dumbo
Little Mermaid
HM
IaSW
MP/Carousel
100% this. No way would I not do Peterpan first. We go every year and this is absolutely the best order to balance wait times and logical order.
 
Like I said, my advice goes against conventional wisdom, and most people won't agree with it. I also wouldn't advocate this if you weren't using AM EMH. The PP line escalates much quicker at regular park opening than it does during morning EMH. Showing up at PP an hour after a regular park opening will absolutely land you in a 40 minute line. (also be aware that Disney will have the wait time exaggerated right at open)

as long as you are in MK a half hour before official opening and line up directly in front of the left path leading to the castle entrance, you will have a 5-10 minute wait

This is also true, although I have never understood the logic of creating an artificial 30 minute or more "line"and fighting that mob to save yourself 10 minutes in the actual line. To me it is a net loss of at least 20 minutes. I admit, if you are are trying to squeeze every moment of touring time out of park hours then this is the way to go, but that isn't me. I prefer to be at the back of the crowd (or even five minutes behind it) and heading a direction no one else is going. Showing up early for rope-drop and jockeying for position is also a valid strategy for riding ultra headliners with a one hour instead of two hour or more wait, but for showing up 30 minutes early for PP just seems like overkill.

I like to offer a different point of view. It has served me well in my eight trips over the past three years, most will disagree, which is fine. The conventional wisdom will serve you well and yield the expected results. That is why it is the conventional wisdom, and as I said, my recommendation for someone else would be to do PP second (which won't put you in a 40 minute line during EMH no matter what anyone tries to tell you).

No matter what you do, you should be finished for an earlier lunch with plenty of time to have a break and then enjoy your FP+s and HS touring that night.
 
Why guess when you can see for yourself? Today is an EMH day and Peter Pan was at 40 minutes when I checked at 9:10. Much longer than the wait times for the other rides on your list. Ride it first.
 
Why guess when you can see for yourself? Today is an EMH day and Peter Pan was at 40 minutes when I checked at 9:10. Much longer than the wait times for the other rides on your list. Ride it first.

Today is a crowd level 7. The date we are discussing is a crowd level 4 (due to the fact that there is a MNSSHP that night and it is in the heat of late August), and again that was at 9:10 not at 8:15 which is when he would get there if rode it second as I suggested. And yes, PP will have the longest wait time of any ride on this list. It will at park open and park close and every minute in between.

Finally, a note on touring plans accuracy. You say that PP was at 40 minutes at 9:10 when you checked. Touring Plans predicted wait time at 9:00 was 38 minutes today. Their predicted wait time at 9:30 was 41 minutes. It is currently 9:38 and Disney's posted wait is 40 minutes and touring plans expected wait is 42 minutes. Sounds to me like they are dead on.
 

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