Opus Dei, Freemasons, Knights Templar . . . do you belong to a secret society?

Deb in IA

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Good Morning America has been doing a series on the so-called organizations . . .

Opus Dei: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1853001

Freemasons: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1859087&page=1

Knights Templar: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1864996


I've been fairly interested, because I know nothing about these groups! The closest we've had to anything like this was DH's grandmother, who was apparently a member of the Order of the Eastern Star. We never heard her mention anything about them, but when she died, a group of women from that organization came to the funeral home and did some sort of program.

So, anyone here a member of any of these groups? And if so, what is the the truth about them?
 
Erm. I doubt anybody on the DIS is in the Knights /Opus Dei. Not sure about Freemasons.
 
I could tell you but then I would have to kill you :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: .
 
Not a member, but how can they be secret if everyone has heard of them?
 

Deb in IA said:
So, anyone here a member of any of these groups? And if so, what is the the truth about them?


Yes... I am a Methodist
 
AmazingGrace said:
:cheer2: I belong to the DIS. Is that a secret society?? :cheer2:


yep only you and 90,000 of your closest friends know about it ;)
 
I belong to both the International Order of the Rainbow for Girls and The Order of Eastern Star.

Rather than trying to explain, here are their websites.

Eastern Star

Rainbow Girls

Rainbow was a very important part of my teenage years. Eastern Star was, to me, just boring.
 
Aren't Freemasons a religious group??

What about the secret groups that presidents hvae been in, you know the one with skull and crossbones, many of the rich powerful white guys who go to ivory league are in?? What's that one called??
 
My grandfather was a Freemason. I have no idea how involved he was in the group or what they do.
 
Free4Life11 said:
Aren't Freemasons a religious group??

What about the secret groups that presidents hvae been in, you know the one with skull and crossbones, many of the rich powerful white guys who go to ivory league are in?? What's that one called??

Skull and Bones Society
 
My club is so exclusive that it only has one member....of course I can't say who or what it is, it's a secret.
 
I'm a member of the un-flushers. Can you imagine what we do? I guess I should say, what we don't do???? :rotfl2:
 
Virgo10 said:
Rainbow was a very important part of my teenage years. Eastern Star was, to me, just boring.

Virgo10 - I was also a Rainbow Girl and I agree that it was a big part of my teenage years.
 
My DH, both his two brothers, their father, their grandfather, and so and so are all Freemasons. Eastern Star is the ladies version of Freemasons.
They are a pretty tight lipped group.
 
I have been a Freemason all of my adult life. I am also a member of Scottish Rite (also a freemason fraternity). There is indeed a "Templar" branch of Freemasonry. Oh, and I'm also a Methodist. :)

Here is something I posted on another thread about the fraternity:

Most men become Masons (or women, Eastern Star) mostly because they have relatives or friends who are Masons and they’ve heard something about it etc. The numbers that become Masons without that influence are, sadly, rare these days. Initially folks may not join for any loft reason, but it is important to know that it is not a “club” to join for a place to go have fun, etc. Sure, there is plenty of enjoyment to be had, but it is a service organization had you would join out of a sense of responsibility to the community, your family, etc. Most end up seeing the purpose in it only after they become Masons (another reason the membership is shrinking). You are never asked or invited to be a Mason, nor are you invited to a meeting to “check it out”. After you have found out something about it from your friends, etc. you would actually ask someone you know is a Mason to petition you into their lodge. There is a bit of a character background check done (informal really – the point is to find out if you have some ulterior motive for wanting to be a Mason. For example, many believe that men join the Masons to get business and political connections and therefore want to join for that reason – something very much frowned upon).

You then become a Mason by completing the basic three degrees. This is that part that is somewhat “secret”, but suffice it to say there is much memorization, philosophy, and “acting out” of the lessons you are being taught. A regular Mason becomes a Master Mason in the third degree (the question/answer/memorization stuff is where the phrase “third degree” comes from.

Freemasonry is not a religion but it is an organization that is religious. You must profess a belief in God to become a Mason. But, the Masons welcome and encourage men of all religions to become Masons. So if you are Jewish, you take your oath in the fraternity using the Torah, if you are Muslim, the Koran, etc.

The Masons are a truly “classically liberal” organization. Meaning they are very egalitarian in their outlook towards others but very conservative about personal behaviour.

After you are a Master Mason, if you are interested you may join one of the other Masonic groups like the Scottish Rite or the Shriners. I am in the Scottish Rite but not the Shriners. Scottish Rite has degrees from 4 to 32. I am a 32nd degree Mason. If you have been particularly active in service to the fraternity, you may become a 33rd degree Mason (my father is one of these).

Officially, the modern Masonic organization started in England in 1717, but traces its roots back to King Solomon, the knights of the middle ages, etc. It has always been a more or less anti-monarchy movement, believing in the equality of all (though of course many royalty have been Masons). Therefore it was quite popular among our own founders. Most of the prominent names (Washington, Franklin, etc) were Masons, were very serious about the fraternity and it is interesting to note that most of our founding documents and even modern day official ceremonies are full of Masonic phrasing etc.

The Masons is not a cult nor a religion nor anti-religion at all. It was and is not involved in nonsense conspiracies like those talked about in the DaVinci Code. But, because there are “secrets” (not really secrets but since people think there are then they are convinced there are conspiracies) people assume lots of crazy things about the fraternity.

In the modern world they are responsible for The Shriners hospitals. The Scottish Rite is the largest funding organization in the world for research and services for mental health, particularly schizophrenia.

The boy scouts was modeled on the Masons by its founder, who was a Mason.

Many (but less that half) Presidents of all parties have been Masons. Famous Masons:

Washington
Franklin
Thomas Pane
Paul Revere
Benedict Arnold
Jefferson (probably – this is sometimes in dispute)
Hancock (along with most signers of the Declaration or Independence and Constitution)
Mozart
Beethoven (again probably – there is some dispute)
Hayden
Mendelssohn (an many other famous composers)
Both Presidents Roosevelt
Truman
Thurgood Marshall
Andrew Young
Red Skelton
John Phillips Sousa
Roy and Walt Disney (though Roy left the fraternity and Walt was not active)
Many of the original astronauts
Actually the list is probably too long to continue without leaving out somebody really interesting.
 
Virgo10 said:
I belong to both the International Order of the Rainbow for Girls and The Order of Eastern Star.

Rather than trying to explain, here are their websites.

Eastern Star

Rainbow Girls

Rainbow was a very important part of my teenage years. Eastern Star was, to me, just boring.

Thanks, Virgo10. It seems like a very worthwhile service-driven organization.


I've always wondered about others, as well. Kiwanis, Shriner's, Knights of Columbus . . . who and what are these???
 
Deb in IA said:
Thanks, Virgo10. It seems like a very worthwhile service-driven organization.


I've always wondered about others, as well. Kiwanis, Shriner's, Knights of Columbus . . . who and what are these???

Shriners is a Freemason organization. Knights of Columbus is the Catholic "version" of masonry, since the Catholic church doesn't allow its member to join a masonic lodge.
 
Galahad said:
I have been a Freemason all of my adult life. I am also a member of Scottish Rite (also a freemason fraternity). There is indeed a "Templar" branch of Freemasonry. Oh, and I'm also a Methodist. :)

Here is something I posted on another thread about the fraternity:

Most men become Masons (or women, Eastern Star) mostly because they have relatives or friends who are Masons and they’ve heard something about it etc. The numbers that become Masons without that influence are, sadly, rare these days. Initially folks may not join for any loft reason, but it is important to know that it is not a “club” to join for a place to go have fun, etc. Sure, there is plenty of enjoyment to be had, but it is a service organization had you would join out of a sense of responsibility to the community, your family, etc. Most end up seeing the purpose in it only after they become Masons (another reason the membership is shrinking). You are never asked or invited to be a Mason, nor are you invited to a meeting to “check it out”. After you have found out something about it from your friends, etc. you would actually ask someone you know is a Mason to petition you into their lodge. There is a bit of a character background check done (informal really – the point is to find out if you have some ulterior motive for wanting to be a Mason. For example, many believe that men join the Masons to get business and political connections and therefore want to join for that reason – something very much frowned upon).

You then become a Mason by completing the basic three degrees. This is that part that is somewhat “secret”, but suffice it to say there is much memorization, philosophy, and “acting out” of the lessons you are being taught. A regular Mason becomes a Master Mason in the third degree (the question/answer/memorization stuff is where the phrase “third degree” comes from.

Freemasonry is not a religion but it is an organization that is religious. You must profess a belief in God to become a Mason. But, the Masons welcome and encourage men of all religions to become Masons. So if you are Jewish, you take your oath in the fraternity using the Torah, if you are Muslim, the Koran, etc.

The Masons are a truly “classically liberal” organization. Meaning they are very egalitarian in their outlook towards others but very conservative about personal behaviour.

After you are a Master Mason, if you are interested you may join one of the other Masonic groups like the Scottish Rite or the Shriners. I am in the Scottish Rite but not the Shriners. Scottish Rite has degrees from 4 to 32. I am a 32nd degree Mason. If you have been particularly active in service to the fraternity, you may become a 33rd degree Mason (my father is one of these).

Officially, the modern Masonic organization started in England in 1717, but traces its roots back to King Solomon, the knights of the middle ages, etc. It has always been a more or less anti-monarchy movement, believing in the equality of all (though of course many royalty have been Masons). Therefore it was quite popular among our own founders. Most of the prominent names (Washington, Franklin, etc) were Masons, were very serious about the fraternity and it is interesting to note that most of our founding documents and even modern day official ceremonies are full of Masonic phrasing etc.

The Masons is not a cult nor a religion nor anti-religion at all. It was and is not involved in nonsense conspiracies like those talked about in the DaVinci Code. But, because there are “secrets” (not really secrets but since people think there are then they are convinced there are conspiracies) people assume lots of crazy things about the fraternity.

In the modern world they are responsible for The Shriners hospitals. The Scottish Rite is the largest funding organization in the world for research and services for mental health, particularly schizophrenia.

The boy scouts was modeled on the Masons by its founder, who was a Mason.

Many (but less that half) Presidents of all parties have been Masons. Famous Masons:

Washington
Franklin
Thomas Pane
Paul Revere
Benedict Arnold
Jefferson (probably – this is sometimes in dispute)
Hancock (along with most signers of the Declaration or Independence and Constitution)
Mozart
Beethoven (again probably – there is some dispute)
Hayden
Mendelssohn (an many other famous composers)
Both Presidents Roosevelt
Truman
Thurgood Marshall
Andrew Young
Red Skelton
John Phillips Sousa
Roy and Walt Disney (though Roy left the fraternity and Walt was not active)
Many of the original astronauts
Actually the list is probably too long to continue without leaving out somebody really interesting.


Wow, Galahad, that's really interesting!!! I never would have thought Mozart, Hayden, and Mendelssohn!

You know, I always thought Masons were bricklayers . . . obviously, that's not quite true, is it? :confused3
 














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