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Okay, so I need some points of view from my fellow DISers. I know you will be honest, which is not something I can always get from friends, mainly because this is a sensitive issue.

My DH and I have been married for almost thirteen years, have children we adore and a fairly average lifestyle. We have been through our share of health issues, both involving us, our children and our parents. We have survived job loss and come out on top. I give you this background to show that we have survived many not so nice situations so I want to believe we can survive what I need your thoughts on.

A couple of years ago, during my pregnancy with my son, I constantly felt this distance between DH and I. I tried very hard to figure things out, despite being very sick for all of my pregnancy. I felt that whatever was bothering him had to do with the pregnancy or just me. No amount of talking would get him to open up to me. I was very hurt and began to suspect he was having an affair. Fast forward to a month before my son was born. I found out that yes my DH was stepping outside of our marriage for friendship, companionship, attention, chitchat etc., mostly on line. I beleived him when he said he had never slept with anyone else, that it was all on line. But let me just say, after being made aware of a great deal of what he did with these cyber girl friends, on line, it was just as painful as a physical affair. The communications between him and these women were daily, several times a day and not just limited to a website. They shared personal emails, photos, instant messages and phone calls. He was able to do this because he works an off shift so when I was at work he was at home and vice versa. Yes, he did stuff from work.

So, we worked things through, went to counseling and tried to keep the lines of communication open. It was hard for me to get past his betrayal. He has worked hard to convince me he is sorry and swears he would never hurt me again. I confided in my oldest and dearest friend when this was going on. I told her exactly what happened. Much to my surprise she shared with me her story about how SHE had an affair on her DH just two years earlier. She told me they did the counseling thing etc and of course they are still together.. The one thing she told me that really bothered me was that once a cheater always a cheater. She called me on my cell, after I left her home new baby in my arms, to tell me that. I was floored, but did not believe my DH was like her in that way.

In the past few weeks I have come to find out that this friend and my DH exchange personal emails on a weekly basis. My DH says it is nothing, no big deal. Yes he knows about her affair. He still says I am over reacting, that they are just friends. Now my so called friend hardly emails me. I work full time and she is a stay at home mom, whose husband, the one she cheated on, goes away for business on a regular basis. I will say that since this has come to light I have been avoiding her. I don't know what to say. I am good friends with her sister and mom and we have lots of friends in common. I am afraid of what this will do to all of those relationships whether they are sneaking around on me or not. Our families have been friends since kindergarten. Our children play together often. But she has always been "my friend". Heck, she even stood for us in our wedding!

So, am I wrong to be suspicious? Am I over reacting? Or am I being taken for a ride by both of them?

Thanks for reading and letting me vent.

S
 
I just want to add that she currently does not know that I am aware of her "relationship" with my DH. I am pretty positive he has not told her. So she has kept this correspondence ( and anything else) a secret from me. Is that normal? My DH may not know every person I talk to on a given day, but I would not have a individual relationship with his friends and not share it with him. Heck I would not have it happen in the first place.

S
 
Coming from a person who has been in a very similar situation as you... you SHOULD BE WORRIED!!! This is not normal. She should be e-mailing you, not him. What are their emails about? Does he show them to you? If he's hiding anything in any way, you know this is a red flag. Just the fact that you are suspicious again should tell you something. As women, we know!!!!!
I'm sorry for your situation. Sending prayers and :hug:
 
Yeah, I would be more than a little suspicious about. She just told you in so many words to watch your back! And knowing the past situation with your husband, i would be very VERY uncomfortable with his level of nonchalance about it. YOU are over reacting? Hell, yeah. Because this is deja vu all over again!

I say, the long so-called friendship be damned. You need to toss it right out there on the floor. This is a huge breach of trust on both their parts. Your husband knows that carrying on a "secret friendship" with anyone, not just your friend, is a no-go. Yet he's doing it anyway. Your friend is bored and looking for fun and has chosen YOUR husband to have it with. It may very well be "only" an online dalliance, but as you know that can be as damaging as any physical relationship. I think your "friendship" is probablly over. I would never trust this woman again. And that goes double for your husband!:hug:
 
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Okay, so I need some points of view from my fellow DISers. I know you will be honest, which is not something I can always get from friends, mainly because this is a sensitive issue.

My DH and I have been married for almost thirteen years, have children we adore and a fairly average lifestyle. We have been through our share of health issues, both involving us, our children and our parents. We have survived job loss and come out on top. I give you this background to show that we have survived many not so nice situations so I want to believe we can survive what I need your thoughts on.

A couple of years ago, during my pregnancy with my son, I constantly felt this distance between DH and I. I tried very hard to figure things out, despite being very sick for all of my pregnancy. I felt that whatever was bothering him had to do with the pregnancy or just me. No amount of talking would get him to open up to me. I was very hurt and began to suspect he was having an affair. Fast forward to a month before my son was born. I found out that yes my DH was stepping outside of our marriage for friendship, companionship, attention, chitchat etc., mostly on line. I beleived him when he said he had never slept with anyone else, that it was all on line. But let me just say, after being made aware of a great deal of what he did with these cyber girl friends, on line, it was just as painful as a physical affair. The communications between him and these women were daily, several times a day and not just limited to a website. They shared personal emails, photos, instant messages and phone calls. He was able to do this because he works an off shift so when I was at work he was at home and vice versa. Yes, he did stuff from work.

So, we worked things through, went to counseling and tried to keep the lines of communication open. It was hard for me to get past his betrayal. He has worked hard to convince me he is sorry and swears he would never hurt me again. I confided in my oldest and dearest friend when this was going on. I told her exactly what happened. Much to my surprise she shared with me her story about how SHE had an affair on her DH just two years earlier. She told me they did the counseling thing etc and of course they are still together.. The one thing she told me that really bothered me was that once a cheater always a cheater. She called me on my cell, after I left her home new baby in my arms, to tell me that. I was floored, but did not believe my DH was like her in that way.

In the past few weeks I have come to find out that this friend and my DH exchange personal emails on a weekly basis. My DH says it is nothing, no big deal. Yes he knows about her affair. He still says I am over reacting, that they are just friends. Now my so called friend hardly emails me. I work full time and she is a stay at home mom, whose husband, the one she cheated on, goes away for business on a regular basis. I will say that since this has come to light I have been avoiding her. I don't know what to say. I am good friends with her sister and mom and we have lots of friends in common. I am afraid of what this will do to all of those relationships whether they are sneaking around on me or not. Our families have been friends since kindergarten. Our children play together often. But she has always been "my friend". Heck, she even stood for us in our wedding!

So, am I wrong to be suspicious? Am I over reacting? Or am I being taken for a ride by both of them?

Thanks for reading and letting me vent.

S

I just want to add that she currently does not know that I am aware of her "relationship" with my DH. I am pretty positive he has not told her. So she has kept this correspondence ( and anything else) a secret from me. Is that normal? My DH may not know every person I talk to on a given day, but I would not have a individual relationship with his friends and not share it with him. Heck I would not have it happen in the first place.

S

What do you want to do? Do you want to live this way? I guess that is the million dollar question.

Of course you are not wrong to be suspicious. He has thrown up a bunch of red flags and waving them in your face telling you "not to worry".

Or as we like to say...."these are not the droids you are looking for".

I think some people like to believe they have "the force" but in reality they are just liars and people know it.

Well if you want to find out what is going on you lay back, relax and watch. When you are relaxed and happy, cheaters get sloppy.
 
The whole thing stinks. After the issues you have gone through with your husband, he should be an open book for you, period. And if your friend believes she is carrying on a secret e-mail relationship with your DH she is really not a friend. It sounds to me that neither one of them can be trusted. If he is secretly talking with her, who else is he carrying on with? I am so sorry you are going through this.
 
This isn't the end of the world, when people are close there is bound to be a blurring of the lines. However, a woman can't be your confident and his, and since they both have unacceptable histories with boundaries I think you are right to demand they slam on the brakes. The world is full of other people to talk to, and I would tell them both to go find other people to be friends with....

I have one question for you, how did you come to find this out? Was your husband truthful with you or did you stumble across the e-mail.

Also, here are a few :hug::hug::hug: for what is bound to come on here. I have something way less serious going on and I was told my husband is leaving me for another woman... his mother :rolleyes:
 
I would worry if my DH had an email relationship with one of my friends. :sad2: I am interested to see if other posters will reply that they think that is normal behavior and that their Dh does this. I have a very close family member, whom I'll call Jane, whose Dh developed a "friend" relationship with his boy scout co-leader and constantly reassured Jane that he was just helping out and lending an ear. Jane was also the wife's friend and the families did events together, in fact her son and the co-leaders son are best friends. Jane also went to the movies etc.. with the co-leader, her mother and her sister.

Well the friendship has developed into way more than that. Both couples are divorcing now and there are 6 children involved. :sick: Personally, at the first whiff of trouble, I would dig and dig until I had all the facts I needed to know if something is going on, but that is really my personality. I could not sit back and take the wait and see approach. I think you know enough to warrant further investigation. Sorry you are going through this. :hug: Good luck!
 
An affair doesn't have to be physical to be an affair. The fact he has a female "friend" that he exchanges personal emails with without your knowledge is just as bad. Tell them both to stop. You have the right. She has no rights as far as your relationship with your husband is concerned and you need to set the boundaries since they obviously can't or won't. They are both hiding things from you and I have to say it, but she's not really your friend. If she was, she wouldn't be doing it. My DH and I have always had a rule about the opposite sex and contact. It's to be entirely open and not exclude the other partner. You and your DH should have no secrets from each other and he's crossing a line. You need to decide what you're willing to do if they won't stop. Your DH needs to decide what is more important to him.

BTW, I've been married almost 30 years and from experiences with friends, f there's smoke, there's fire. Thank God I've never personally dealt with something like this, but I have friends who have.
 
I just want to add that she currently does not know that I am aware of her "relationship" with my DH. I am pretty positive he has not told her. So she has kept this correspondence ( and anything else) a secret from me. Is that normal? My DH may not know every person I talk to on a given day, but I would not have a individual relationship with his friends and not share it with him. Heck I would not have it happen in the first place.

S

How did you find out that she and your husband have a relationship independant of you? Did you find the emails or did he actually tell you? I would be concerned, personally, if it seemed they were both trying to keep it a secret from you. I have friendships with some of my husband's friends, and he is friends with some of my friends, and sometimes we call or email each other without including our spouses in the conversations. But we are each aware of the ongoing friendships and usually we mention it after the fact when we've talked to each other's friends. If they are keeping this relationship private and not including you in it, then I would have a huge problem with that. Usually I think people are being ridiculous and overly jealous and clingy when they object to their spouse having a friend of the opposite sex, but in this case (epsecially with your husband's history and after your friend's comments) I think I'd ask my husband to back away from this friendship if I were in your shoes. You are not wrong to be suspicious and you are not overreacting. If your husband doesn't understand why you don't like this situation, then he's being willfully obtuse.
 
Tell him to break off emailing your friend and I'd also tell your "friend" that you don't appreciate her behavior either. make sure your husband knows this is non negotiable. Check your bill.
 
There are red flags everywhere in your posts.

Why did your DH say was his reason for telling you about the emails?
 
I don't think you're overreacting. I think with both of their histories, your dh should allow you access to all his emails from this woman. And I think if she wants to remain your friend and if dh wants to remain your husband, they should have no problem with that.

I do not believe "once a cheater, always a cheater." I do think that unless the issues are addressed via therapy, cheaters are definitely likely to cheat again.
 
Okay, so I need some points of view from my fellow DISers. I know you will be honest, which is not something I can always get from friends, mainly because this is a sensitive issue.

My DH and I have been married for almost thirteen years, have children we adore and a fairly average lifestyle. We have been through our share of health issues, both involving us, our children and our parents. We have survived job loss and come out on top. I give you this background to show that we have survived many not so nice situations so I want to believe we can survive what I need your thoughts on.

A couple of years ago, during my pregnancy with my son, I constantly felt this distance between DH and I. I tried very hard to figure things out, despite being very sick for all of my pregnancy. I felt that whatever was bothering him had to do with the pregnancy or just me. No amount of talking would get him to open up to me. I was very hurt and began to suspect he was having an affair. Fast forward to a month before my son was born. I found out that yes my DH was stepping outside of our marriage for friendship, companionship, attention, chitchat etc., mostly on line. I beleived him when he said he had never slept with anyone else, that it was all on line. But let me just say, after being made aware of a great deal of what he did with these cyber girl friends, on line, it was just as painful as a physical affair. The communications between him and these women were daily, several times a day and not just limited to a website. They shared personal emails, photos, instant messages and phone calls. He was able to do this because he works an off shift so when I was at work he was at home and vice versa. Yes, he did stuff from work.

So, we worked things through, went to counseling and tried to keep the lines of communication open. It was hard for me to get past his betrayal. He has worked hard to convince me he is sorry and swears he would never hurt me again. I confided in my oldest and dearest friend when this was going on. I told her exactly what happened. Much to my surprise she shared with me her story about how SHE had an affair on her DH just two years earlier. She told me they did the counseling thing etc and of course they are still together.. The one thing she told me that really bothered me was that once a cheater always a cheater. She called me on my cell, after I left her home new baby in my arms, to tell me that. I was floored, but did not believe my DH was like her in that way.

In the past few weeks I have come to find out that this friend and my DH exchange personal emails on a weekly basis. My DH says it is nothing, no big deal. Yes he knows about her affair. He still says I am over reacting, that they are just friends. Now my so called friend hardly emails me. I work full time and she is a stay at home mom, whose husband, the one she cheated on, goes away for business on a regular basis. I will say that since this has come to light I have been avoiding her. I don't know what to say. I am good friends with her sister and mom and we have lots of friends in common. I am afraid of what this will do to all of those relationships whether they are sneaking around on me or not. Our families have been friends since kindergarten. Our children play together often. But she has always been "my friend". Heck, she even stood for us in our wedding!

So, am I wrong to be suspicious? Am I over reacting? Or am I being taken for a ride by both of them?

Thanks for reading and letting me vent.

S

You already have your answer. Your "friend" is making sure of it. It's not like your dh "slipped" and had a one-nighter....he had on-going relationships with other women. That requires forethought, planning, and deception.
 
BTDT

You aren't overreacting.

I didn't think the once a cheater always a cheater thing was true. I believed people could be better than that. Unfortunately, that has come back to bite me in the rear.

I know how you feel. I know how bad it hurts. But you deserve better.
 
Tough one - but only you can control where this goes and that starts with a conversation with your husband.

I have zero experience with this personally thank goodness, but I do believe that a problem like the one you had is not going to be solved easily. It is an ongoing process that involves GIVING trust back and EARNING trust back.

With that in mind - how do you proceed? It depends on how wrong this feels to you, how much trust you are willing to give to him and what he will do to earn your trust.

It's easy for me to say - but I would start with a simple non-accusatory heart to heart with him. Explain that you are upset and ask that he explain thsi relationship and the nature of these emails so you can have piece of mind. I would FULLY expect him to show some actual email exchanges to help soothe you. If that does not happen, THEN I'd really start to worry......

Whatever you decide to do - good luck.
 
You wrote that your DH has sworn that he will never hurt you again. He is hurting you, and he needs to stop. He lost the right to have secret online buddies with his first round of poor choices.

As for your 'friend'--she isn't. She has told you who she is--a cheater. And she is trying to use your DH as her cheating buddy. When you told her about his online relationships it gave her the information on how to get to him. She needs to be dropped.

You and DH need to return to counselling--good luck--put up a good fight for your marriage!

Cathy
 
With that in mind - how do you proceed? It depends on how wrong this feels to you, how much trust you are willing to give to him and what he will do to earn your trust.

It's easy for me to say - but I would start with a simple non-accusatory heart to heart with him. Explain that you are upset and ask that he explain thsi relationship and the nature of these emails so you can have piece of mind. I would FULLY expect him to show some actual email exchanges to help soothe you. If that does not happen, THEN I'd really start to worry......

Whatever you decide to do - good luck.

I agree with this. There are definitely red flags in the situation, and I would investigate further but without jumping to conclusions or accusations. Talk to your husband, see how he reacts and how forthcoming he is about the situation. And tell him what this friend said to you about her own infidelity, just to make it clear that she's not some kindred spirit who is also trying to atone for the same mistakes.

I just want to reassure you on one count - just because someone cheats once doesn't mean they will again. I know that from experience. People can and do change, and circumstances do matter.

:hug: and good luck.
 
I agree with this. There are definitely red flags in the situation, and I would investigate further but without jumping to conclusions or accusations. Talk to your husband, see how he reacts and how forthcoming he is about the situation. And tell him what this friend said to you about her own infidelity, just to make it clear that she's not some kindred spirit who is also trying to atone for the same mistakes.

I just want to reassure you on one count - just because someone cheats once doesn't mean they will again. I know that from experience. People can and do change, and circumstances do matter.

:hug: and good luck.

Past experiences have proven to me that lots of woman are evil! I would not trust her or him at this point. I'm sorry your going thru this:hug:
 
I don't think you're overreacting. I think with both of their histories, your dh should allow you access to all his emails from this woman. And I think if she wants to remain your friend and if dh wants to remain your husband, they should have no problem with that.

I do not believe "once a cheater, always a cheater." I do think that unless the issues are addressed via therapy, cheaters are definitely likely to cheat again.

I'm a strong believer in "once a cheater, always a cheater".

OP, I think you have good reason to be worried about it.
 

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