Oogie Boogie on sale date June 26 early for MK June 24-25

[LAS2AMS]

I could very well be remembering wrong but I did a quick search for last year and it looked like the large majority were sold out within the first few hours. One day later there was only 6 days available.

And in that same thread people were saying the year (2023) before that the everything was sold out within 4 hours

You’re right that they are offering more and more dates so maybe that is all I am seeing but there is a definite vibe that maybe some of the demand is waning for this party (and maybe DL in general?).

This event is likely headed to a sell out. There’s six more events vs. two years ago - that’s at least a 25% growth in attendance. Attendance growth will likely be much higher since it’s pretty obvious more people attended each event last year vs. the prior. So, if attendance grew by at least 25% it’s kinda hard to argue that demand is falling. FOMO had a lot to do with tickets selling out so quickly the past two years.

What makes you think demand for DL is dropping? The most crowded days I’ve ever seen have come this year. No doubt crowds are lighter at the moment but that’s gong to happen when you block the lion’s share of pass holders out. But don’t be fooled by selective TikTok editing - the parks are anything but empty.

One thing that’s coming into play is the tale of two economies. The higher end of the market is dong well and spending heavier than ever whereas the lower end is struggling. Employers can’t find enough skilled/ experienced workers whereas minimum wage/ entry level jobs are heavily competitive. Crazy times to live in.

 

[MonocularVision]

I have been several news reports about decreases in traveling and the hospitality. And with some of the recent sales (70th anniversary ticket deal, Costco), the much higher availability of reservations, the fact it is taking longer to sell out the tickets, it just seems to me to be adding up to some softening in demand. I don’t watch TikTok and haven’t read anything about attendence being down, it was just a few hints I was picking up.

But I am not there often and maybe I am reading it incorrectly.

 

[Bruno33]

This event is likely headed to a sell out. There’s six more events vs. two years ago - that’s at least a 25% growth in attendance. Attendance growth will likely be much higher since it’s pretty obvious more people attended each event last year vs. the prior. So, if attendance grew by at least 25% it’s kinda hard to argue that demand is falling. FOMO had a lot to do with tickets selling out so quickly the past two years.

What makes you think demand for DL is dropping? The most crowded days I’ve ever seen have come this year. No doubt crowds are lighter at the moment but that’s gong to happen when you block the lion’s share of pass holders out. But don’t be fooled by selective TikTok editing - the parks are anything but empty.

One thing that’s coming into play is the tale of two economies. The higher end of the market is dong well and spending heavier than ever whereas the lower end is struggling. Employers can’t find enough skilled/ experienced workers whereas minimum wage/ entry level jobs are heavily competitive. Crazy times to live in.

I ended up at three OBBs last year and don’t think there were necessarily more people than other years. As always, how crowded it feels depends where you are and when. Also whether rides are down. It’s a lot of things.

It definitely wasn’t 25% more people than in the past. Also, some nights seemed way more crowded than others, so maybe they change it up, or that just goes back to “where you are and when.”

 

[joseph821]

This event is likely headed to a sell out. There’s six more events vs. two years ago - that’s at least a 25% growth in attendance. Attendance growth will likely be much higher since it’s pretty obvious more people attended each event last year vs. the prior. So, if attendance grew by at least 25% it’s kinda hard to argue that demand is falling. FOMO had a lot to do with tickets selling out so quickly the past two years.

What makes you think demand for DL is dropping? The most crowded days I’ve ever seen have come this year. No doubt crowds are lighter at the moment but that’s gong to happen when you block the lion’s share of pass holders out. But don’t be fooled by selective TikTok editing - the parks are anything but empty.

One thing that’s coming into play is the tale of two economies. The higher end of the market is dong well and spending heavier than ever whereas the lower end is struggling. Employers can’t find enough skilled/ experienced workers whereas minimum wage/ entry level jobs are heavily competitive. Crazy times to live in.

The majority of the Keys are the 2 lower tiers. Attendance has been sharply lower since late June until the recent days. As I said before, 3 additional August nights were added for Oogie Boogie in 2025 and 2 remain not sold out. The Star Wars Event nights sales were sluggish. Disneyland has the 70th ticket deal until early August.

Disneyland attendance is a mix of out of California residents, out of town tourists and Keys. The fact that there are ticket deals this summer shows Disney has to push to get people through the front gate. If Disneyland took away the payment monthly plan for Keys, there would be a lot less Keys.

The economy is a huge factor plus the fact that Candian travel and international tourism is way down.


As for Oogie Boogie, there comes a point where businesses start and push Halloween too early and customers react by not engaging and engaging when they want - thus so many October nights sold out.

I do not think people are avoiding Disneyland but the tier ticket system keeps people out. Tier 5 and Tier 6 are $196 and $206 for 1 park.

 

[LAS2AMS]

The majority of the Keys are the 2 lower tiers. Attendance has been sharply lower since late June until the recent days. As I said before, 3 additional August nights were added for Oogie Boogie in 2025 and 2 remain not sold out. The Star Wars Event nights sales were sluggish. Disneyland has the 70th ticket deal until early August.

Disneyland attendance is a mix of out of California residents, out of town tourists and Keys. The fact that there are ticket deals this summer shows Disney has to push to get people through the front gate. If Disneyland took away the payment monthly plan for Keys, there would be a lot less Keys.

The economy is a huge factor plus the fact that Candian travel and international tourism is way down.


As for Oogie Boogie, there comes a point where businesses start and push Halloween too early and customers react by not engaging and engaging when they want - thus so many October nights sold out.

I do not think people are avoiding Disneyland but the tier ticket system keeps people out. Tier 5 and Tier 6 are $196 and $206 for 1 park.

I think you’re reading too much into the ticket deals. DLR and WDW have offered such deals most summers. WDW has a great deal but it excludes the MK; it’s also offering children’s tickets for half off. At WDW, summer use to be the most crowded time of the year, but that’s changed since COVID.

Before DLR blocked the two MK, parks were among the most crowded I’ve ever seen. MK reservations were exhausted every single day, well in advance.

Are ticket sales weaker than DL expected? I don’t know, but the parks certainly have more traffic than they did last year. Some wait times are reduced but most aren’t. The biggest difference is there’s far less foot traffic —- that’s because many MK go into the park to walk around and meet characters. Etc. Not surprisingly there’s no wait for most photo passes right now.

 

[joseph821]

I think you’re reading too much into the ticket deals. DLR and WDW have offered such deals most summers. WDW has a great deal but it excludes the MK; it’s also offering children’s tickets for half off. At WDW, summer use to be the most crowded time of the year, but that’s changed since COVID.

Before DLR blocked the two MK, parks were among the most crowded I’ve ever seen. MK reservations were exhausted every single day, well in advance.

Are ticket sales weaker than DL expected? I don’t know, but the parks certainly have more traffic than they did last year. Some wait times are reduced but most aren’t. The biggest difference is there’s far less foot traffic —- that’s because many MK go into the park to walk around and meet characters. Etc. Not surprisingly there’s no wait for most photo passes right now.

Ticket sales in the summer did not normally happen in the past. It is a new trend for Disneyland. I am not reading into it.

WDW is a different financial animal entirely.

Blocking the lower keys, that is what Disneyland does - they are paying a lower price in installments for less access.

As far as attendance vs last year, construction land was summer 2024.

I think you are attributing the high attendance in the first half of 2025 to the keys, it was due to the low priced Southern California ticket deals.

Also today, Disneyland released the fall hotel sale. For the first time the entire month of October is included and it goes through most of December...August 17 through Dec. 19.

Magic Keys get 15% but only Sunday night through Thursday night.
The general sale is 20% for 3 night stay 7 days a week.

Attendance is down. Resort occupancy rate is lower.

 

[LAS2AMS]

Ticket sales in the summer did not normally happen in the past. It is a new trend for Disneyland. I am not reading into it.

WDW is a different financial animal entirely.

Blocking the lower keys, that is what Disneyland does - they are paying a lower price in installments for less access.

As far as attendance vs last year, construction land was summer 2024.

I think you are attributing the high attendance in the first half of 2025 to the keys, it was due to the low priced Southern California ticket deals.

Also today, Disneyland released the fall hotel sale. For the first time the entire month of October is included and it goes through most of December...August 17 through Dec. 19.

Magic Keys get 15% but only Sunday night through Thursday night.
The general sale is 20% for 3 night stay 7 days a week.

Attendance is down. Resort occupancy rate is lower.

Good analysis but I’ll skeptical. The 3D/4D ticket deal is a $40/$70 savings - and as these tickets must be used entirely within two weeks, they’re largely bought by people visiting the area for DLR. Which is a minority of their guests.

Luxury travel is thriving but the rest of the travel market is showing signs of weakening. Disney is luxury priced but doesn’t attract the uber affluent market (instead,

I do believe MK were driving attendance for Q1. The ticket deal expired mid-May, and between mid-May and when the MK were blocked, crowds were unbearably crowded. We shall see soon.

But nonetheless, the internet is full of reports of every major amusement park being “empty,” including DLR and WDW. We went to the parks last Saturday after TikTok said it was a “ghost town” and it turned out to be BS - less attendance sure but from a ghost town. If you were to add the lower MK on, it’d be unbearable. But Disney has to provide an incentive from out-of-towners paying more than MK pay for the entire year.

 

[joseph821]

Good analysis but I’ll skeptical. The 3D/4D ticket deal is a $40/$70 savings - and as these tickets must be used entirely within two weeks, they’re largely bought by people visiting the area for DLR. Which is a minority of their guests.

Luxury travel is thriving but the rest of the travel market is showing signs of weakening. Disney is luxury priced but doesn’t attract the uber affluent market (instead,

I do believe MK were driving attendance for Q1. The ticket deal expired mid-May, and between mid-May and when the MK were blocked, crowds were unbearably crowded. We shall see soon.

But nonetheless, the internet is full of reports of every major amusement park being “empty,” including DLR and WDW. We went to the parks last Saturday after TikTok said it was a “ghost town” and it turned out to be BS - less attendance sure but from a ghost town. If you were to add the lower MK on, it’d be unbearable. But Disney has to provide an incentive from out-of-towners paying more than MK pay for the entire year.

I was there for over 10 days - Thurdsay before Memorial Day weekend until June 1. The crowds were not that bad at all. Even with the Grad nights.

Grad Night ticket sales and participation was the lowest in years.

The SoCal ticket deal did not have to be used with in 2 weeks just by the May deadline. The lower tier Magic Keys spend less than the combined out of town guests that stay at a DL Resort hotel guests.


I susbcribe to touring plans and they have a crowd calendar - which is relatively accurate...the past 3 weeks their predictions are way off...they predict crowds and their observations are revised downward significantly.

If the lower Keys drive attendance, there will always be reservations. The lower Keys do not spend as much money in the parks vs. Higher Keys and out of town guests and guests staying at the Resort hotels.
Lower Keys do not drive revenues and profits. They provide a steady stream of predictable income.

 

[LAS2AMS]

I was there for over 10 days - Thurdsay before Memorial Day weekend until June 1. The crowds were not that bad at all. Even with the Grad nights.

Grad Night ticket sales and participation was the lowest in years.

The SoCal ticket deal did not have to be used with in 2 weeks just by the May deadline. The lower tier Magic Keys spend less than the combined out of town guests that stay at a DL Resort hotel guests.


I susbcribe to touring plans and they have a crowd calendar - which is relatively accurate...the past 3 weeks their predictions are way off...they predict crowds and their observations are revised downward significantly.

If the lower Keys drive attendance, there will always be reservations. The lower Keys do not spend as much money in the parks vs. Higher Keys and out of town guests and guests staying at the Resort hotels.
Lower Keys do not drive revenues and profits. They provide a steady stream of predictable income.

The SoCal ticket deal had to be used by mid-May. We went a couple weekends after that - the crowds were so heavy one day, that the parking garage was full and traffic was being redirected to TS. We ended up leaving. The following Saturday, they were so heavy that we regret coming.

We went to the parks yesterday. Crowd was super heavy in the evening, but everyone was waiting for the parade/ Fantasmic. So wait times were low - just like in the olden days during the parade/fireworks - and people took pictures that social media went wild over. “Disneyland is empty on its 70th, Disney is super embarrassed.” Again, you can’t go off of crowds based upon social media.

The industry’s most reputable theme park analyst posted that same argument regarding MK a few years ago. He asserted that most of DLR’s attendance was low tier MK who spent the same amount over a year that guests who visited 3-4 days did. (He was arguing that huge cap investments in DLR made no sense.). Disney called the claims “false,” so who knows.

 

[joseph821]

The SoCal ticket deal had to be used by mid-May. We went a couple weekends after that - the crowds were so heavy one day, that the parking garage was full and traffic was being redirected to TS. We ended up leaving. The following Saturday, they were so heavy that we regret coming.

We went to the parks yesterday. Crowd was super heavy in the evening, but everyone was waiting for the parade/ Fantasmic. So wait times were low - just like in the olden days during the parade/fireworks - and people took pictures that social media went wild over. “Disneyland is empty on its 70th, Disney is super embarrassed.” Again, you can’t go off of crowds based upon social media.

The industry’s most reputable theme park analyst posted that same argument regarding MK a few years ago. He asserted that most of DLR’s attendance was low tier MK who spent the same amount over a year that guests who visited 3-4 days did. (He was arguing that huge cap investments in DLR made no sense.). Disney called the claims “false,” so who knows.

The analyst makes no sense - I saw that. If the low tier MK spent that much, there would be no reservation system.

 

[LAS2AMS]

The analyst makes no sense - I saw that. If the low tier MK spent that much, there would be no reservation system.

The assertion was that the cumulative total spend of low tier was the same as those spending 3-4 days at the park. Disney denied this.

WDW still uses the reservation system even though it’s rare for any particular day to become unavailable.

 

[joseph821]

The assertion was that the cumulative total spend of low tier was the same as those spending 3-4 days at the park. Disney denied this.

WDW still uses the reservation system even though it’s rare for any particular day to become unavailable.

WDW does not use reservations on date based tickets.

Other tickets and annual passholders might need reservations.

I doubt the assertion made by the analyst.

 

[Mrjoshua]

21 dates now sold out. It must've been a September date.

 

[LAS2AMS]

21 dates now sold out. It must've been a September date.

Looks like the last Sunday! I’m shocked 10/28 hasn’t sold yet.

 

[VGCgroupie]

21 dates now sold out. It must've been a September date.

09/21 was the last one that sold it seems