Once Upon A Time

[Mermaid02]

I'm intrigued at the thought of Regina being Rumplestiltskin's wife.

 

[Tinkerdreams]

I enjoyed Sunday's episode and did catch the hidden mickey!! Am I the only one that actually felt bad for Rumplestilskin. I think the reason why he wants the children is due to the comment he made to the affect that "if he could he would save all the children". That would explain his obsession with kids.

One thing I don't get is that in that episode, Regina states that the townspeople are more fearful of Mr. Gold than her. Maybe we haven't seen it yet, but so far, there isn't anything that he has done in Storybrook that would lead me to beleive people would fear him. On the other hand, Regina is very manipulative and we've seen her bully people.

Also, earlier in this thread, someone was wondering who Emma would be in fariytale land - could she be the Swan Princess?

 

[Amy]

I'm intrigued at the thought of Regina being Rumplestiltskin's wife.

I have a feeling you might be right. She keeps saying she loved someone once and lost him - never says that he died. All Rumpel told his son was that his wife/son's mother was "gone". Could be interesting if this were true!

 

[ICF]

Also, earlier in this thread, someone was wondering who Emma would be in fariytale land - could she be the Swan Princess?

In fairy tale land, isn't she the baby of SW/PC that was born just before the curse started?

Given that....I dont think she can be anyone else in FTL.

 

[holycow]

In regards to Rumple in the 1st episode when Emma takes the room at Granny's B and B Rumple enters and Granny gives him a wad of money.

They then go on to say he owns this town.

Now what that means I do not know!

 

[Tinkerdreams]

In fairy tale land, isn't she the baby of SW/PC that was born just before the curse started?

Given that....I dont think she can be anyone else in FTL.

Yes, Emma was sent to this world before the curse reached SW/PC. When they all return to fairytale land (and you know they will), Emma will be a character also - I'm thinking the Swan Princess. My thinking is that when Emma finally breaks the curse and the EQ finds out she was the one all along - the EQ will cast a spell on her turning her into a swan - thereby making her the Swan Princess.

And the story goes on.....

 

[Zandy595]

I have a feeling you might be right. She keeps saying she loved someone once and lost him - never says that he died. All Rumpel told his son was that his wife/son's mother was "gone". Could be interesting if this were true!

Rumple did actually tell his son that she was dead, but I suppose he could be lying.

 

[iheartdisney]

This idea is so far out on a limb that it might fall out of the tree completely, but...
Could Henry'd father be Rumplestilskin's son? The writers DID say that Henry's father would be important to the story, but that we wouldn't know who is the daddy this season. Assuming that it took a few years for Rumplestilskin to rise to the position of the most feared in all the realms, that would put Bay at 18-ish when the curse took over. Perfect age to go to Arizona and knock up Miss Swan...

Also, one observation from Sunday's episode. When they are running in the middle of the night, and Bay says, "it feels wrong to run away" I can't make out the reply. It sounds like Rumplestilskin says, "to die is worse. I won't lose you to that ***** 's war. Meaning Regina? I was hoping someone with close captioning could help me out!

 

[disneyfaninaz]

This idea is so far out on a limb that it might fall out of the tree completely, but...
Could Henry'd father be Rumplestilskin's son? The writers DID say that Henry's father would be important to the story, but that we wouldn't know who is the daddy this season. Assuming that it took a few years for Rumplestilskin to rise to the position of the most feared in all the realms, that would put Bay at 18-ish when the curse took over. Perfect age to go to Arizona and knock up Miss Swan...

Also, one observation from Sunday's episode. When they are running in the middle of the night, and Bay says, "it feels wrong to run away" I can't make out the reply. It sounds like Rumplestilskin says, "to die is worse. I won't lose you to that ***** 's war. Meaning Regina? I was hoping someone with close captioning could help me out!

He was referring to the "Ogre" war. It's the accent.

The reason Emma was in Arizona was because she got out of FT world through the enchanted tree. Rumpel's son would be stuck in Story Brooke like all the others.

 

[Zandy595]

He was referring to the "Ogre" war. It's the accent.

The reason Emma was in Arizona was because she got out of FT world through the enchanted tree. Rumpel's son would be stuck in Story Brooke like all the others.

Right. Rumple says, "It's worse to die, son. I'm not having you taken away to the ogre's war."

 

[iheartdisney]

He was referring to the "Ogre" war. It's the accent.

The reason Emma was in Arizona was because she got out of FT world through the enchanted tree. Rumpel's son would be stuck in Story Brooke like all the others.

Ahhh! Thanks for that! I skipped back 5 times and still couldn't make it out!

BUT. If Rumplestilskin could have helped his son escape from the curse, he would have I think. He doesn't appear to have a son is Storybrooke at the moment, so IF Bay didn't die in the Fairy Realms, he *should* be in Storybrooke somewhere, right?

And I did have a theory on why Marco doesn't have son. If the Blue Fairy can't undo Rumplestilskin's magic (bring Giopetto's parents back from wooden dolls) then maybe the curse could not "transport" Pinocchio since he was only real through Blue Fairy's magic- if one of the rules is that you can't override magic with magic. Like how they bound Rumplestilskin's magic with the quill, but Ella's debt to him still stood- and Thomas paid the price for it, as he said he would.

 

[threeboysmom]

Didn't Rumple tell the EQ how to make the curse (ie. use the heart of a loved one)? If so, would he know the conditions of the curse and how it could be broken?

I've wondered, if Rumple were so bad, why did he tell SW and PC the truth about getting their child to safety? If he wanted the curse to hold (and for him to presumably be in a better place -- as he negotiated with the EQ), why would he want SW's baby to be safe and come back?

Exactly what was the issue that Mr Gold referenced when talking to Regina in the second episode (next to the apple tree that Emma hacked)? Clearly, there is a power struggle between the two of them.

That is what bugs me. Rumpel in essence gave instructions to the Queen on how to enact the curse knowing full well that the curse could be broken and how. He has then since been orchestrating things in order to bring about the end of the curse. Why? He helped her with the curse for a reason so he must want something from it or, more likely, from her (hence the "please" portion of the agreement).

I get the strong impression too that Regina and Mr. Gold go a long ways back and have quite the history together. Their animosity towards each other (while pretending to be civil - they seem to "dance" around each other) is very hostile. Seems pretty clear they've been enemies for a long time. I'm dying to know their prior relationship.

 

[threeboysmom]

Yes, Emma was sent to this world before the curse reached SW/PC. When they all return to fairytale land (and you know they will), Emma will be a character also - I'm thinking the Swan Princess. My thinking is that when Emma finally breaks the curse and the EQ finds out she was the one all along - the EQ will cast a spell on her turning her into a swan - thereby making her the Swan Princess.

And the story goes on.....

When the curse is broken, everyone will return to their prior fairytale characters. Emma's "character" was the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming. That IS her fairytale character.

Swan is a reference to Lost. It's the name of their hatch.

 

[threeboysmom]

Rumple did actually tell his son that she was dead, but I suppose he could be lying.

I'm thinking he didn't "quite" lie, but meant "she is dead" figuratively. The woman he once knew and loved is "dead" replaced by a woman who is a little more "evil" perhaps, lol.

 

[threeboysmom]

Ahhh! Thanks for that! I skipped back 5 times and still couldn't make it out!

BUT. If Rumplestilskin could have helped his son escape from the curse, he would have I think. He doesn't appear to have a son is Storybrooke at the moment, so IF Bay didn't die in the Fairy Realms, he *should* be in Storybrooke somewhere, right?

And I did have a theory on why Marco doesn't have son. If the Blue Fairy can't undo Rumplestilskin's magic (bring Giopetto's parents back from wooden dolls) then maybe the curse could not "transport" Pinocchio since he was only real through Blue Fairy's magic- if one of the rules is that you can't override magic with magic. Like how they bound Rumplestilskin's magic with the quill, but Ella's debt to him still stood- and Thomas paid the price for it, as he said he would.

The Pinocchio mystery bugs me, lol. I want to know what the heck happened to him!! Good theory, but wasn't Jiminy Cricket under the Blue Fairy's magic as well? And he was transported so it does make sense that Pin should have been transported too. Why did Marco say he had no children??? Grrr....

Although... and this is way-out-there theory too, lol. What if somehow it wasn't Baelfire that escaped the curse, but Pinocchio? Geppetto found a way to get Pinocchio out in the cabinet that he made. Although the Blue Fairy DID state that it would save only one, right?

The more I think about it, the more stupid it is. Sigh. I just want to know where Pinocchio and Baelfire are, lol.

 

[Poohbug]

I really can't figure our why Pinocchio would not be cursed to Storybrooke unless it is the can't override magic with magic thing. J Cricket did fall under the curse but as a human-not as a cricket (which was the doing of the Blue Fairy).

As far as Rumple goes - I think he just likes to stir things up. Yup, he's a pot stirrer. He is not on anyones side but his own. He likes to pull the strings and see what happens.

 

[1Mouse2RulethemAll]

I think Rumple is trying to get an out of his magic. One of his last lines was the same as the Dark Lord Zoso's, "I recognize desperate soul's"

 

[Mermaid02]

The more I think about Regina being his wife the more I like it.... even though he told the boy his mother was dead... she was, she became something else entirely. Maybe she confided in Snow that her husband was the one that caused the turn in the ogre war and Snow told the King....

 

[KrazyPete]

As far as Rumple goes - I think he just likes to stir things up. Yup, he's a pot stirrer. He is not on anyones side but his own. He likes to pull the strings and see what happens.

I thought that way in the beginning too but he's much too important of a character at this point. He must have some motivation.

We know why he went after the dagger and killed Zoso. He wanted to save his son from the Ogre war but he also had something to prove personally. He was tired of being the town coward.

Once he had the power he became the extreme opposite of town coward. The soldier, Hordor, didn't recognize him at first. Even his son looked at him as if he wasn't sure it was his father.

So is this where Rumpel learns that all magic comes with a price? "Ultimate Power" must be pretty costly.

"That's the thing about children. Before you know it... you lose them."

Maybe that's why Baelfire isn't in Storybrooke.

Assuming he's gotten over his "town coward" revengeful rage, what motivates Rumpel now? I wonder where the dagger is. What if someone else took it? Maybe the curse caused the its owner to forget who they are. It would give Mr. Gold 28 years to retrieve the dagger. Once he had back in his possession he would help the "Savior" to end the curse sending him back to Fantasyland with the power back under his own control.

 

[KrazyPete]

The more I think about Regina being his wife the more I like it...

If you believe that the Evil Queen was the wife who left Rumpel when he deserted the army during the Ogre wars that also rules her out as being the miller's daughter. Of the two theories I prefer the miller's daughter one.

However, if the miller's daughter were forced into her marriage to the king then I suppose she could have become enamored with Darth Rumpel. That affair could be the secret that Snow didn't keep resulting in her losing that relationship and making her marriage to the Snow's father so unbearable that she eventually killed him.

Evil Queen with Rumplestiltskin is sort of a dark version of Beauty and the Beast.

Horowitz/Kitsis should have me writing this stuff!