On property non-DVC timeshare?

[DisZip]

Some people we know just came back from spring break at the world and claim that they bought a timeshare down there that is on Disney property, but is not Disney owned/DVC.

I didn't think such a thing existed, but wondered if I was wrong.

 

[Richyams]

Almost definitely, no such thing.

I say 'almost' because there is some odd things with outparcels down there. Crossrods shopping plaza is actually on Disney owned property leased for fifty or 99 years or something like that. I guess its possible that there is a timehare over in that area that is on long term lease property, but I don't think so.

 

[CarolMN]

They are probably talking about Fairfield's Bonnet Creek timeshare. It's brand new (not even totally constructed yet and just started selling).

It's not technically on Disney owned Property, but it is bounded by Disney property on 3 sides. IIRC, you need to use Disney roads to get to it, so I suppose that is why they say/think it is on Disney property.

 

[Chuck S]

What they probably purchased was Fairfield's Bonnet Creek timeshare. It is NOT on Disney property, but is surrounded on 3 sides by Disney owned land. It is located near the Boardwalk/Caribbean Beach area. It has none of the perks normally associated with on-site hotels. If their salesman told them it is on Disney property, (s)he lied.

 

[Beca]

I would think they have to be talking about "Bonnet Creek". It is NOT on Disney property, but it is right next to Disney property. There have been many threads on this....you might want to do a search to find out more.

Beca

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Here is a link:

Bonnet Creek Thread

HBC

 

[Beca]

Here's an interesting note: I saw one of the up for sale on TUG the other day...VERY expensive (even as a resale).

Beca

 

[DisZip]

Thanks everyone.

Thats sounds like it. I would guess the sales people are pitching it as on-site, but it will be interesting to see if they get any of the Disney resort benefits.

 

[Richyams]

but it will be interesting to see if they get any of the Disney resort benefits.

No it won't because they won't get any Disney Resort benefits.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

As others have replied, the people who bought "a timeshare down there that is on Disney property, but is not Disney owned/DVC," probably bought at the Fairfield Orlando at Bonnet Creek Resort. Detailed infomation about this new Fairfiled resort is finally available at Fairfield's website. See http://www.efairfield.com/inside/resorts/0064.asp

The Bonnet Creek Resort property is not owned by Disney and was never owned by Disney. However, a timeshare customer could easily think that it's on Disney property because of the location. And, a Fairfield timeshare salesperson might not be inclined to point out that that it really isn't (unless asked).

There's another new timeshare resort that's very close to Disney property. The new Hilton Grand Vacations Club on International Drive is just north of what was once Disney's Little Lake Bryan development. (Although most of Disney's property is west of I-4, Disney also had significant land holdings east of I-4.) See http://www.hiltongrandvacations.com/ownership/resorts/internationaldr.html

Would Disney ever allow a non-DVC vacation ownership resort on Disney property? If you answered "no," guess again. Take a look at http://www.celebrationfl.com/press_room/021218.htm -- that's right, in 2002, Disney's Celebration Company announced the sale of 400 acres of Disney property to Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts for a development that includes a Four Seasons Residence Club. I haven't seen any news about this development since then, but I have no reason to believe that Four Seasons will not follow through.

 

[Chuck S]

Yes, but the City of Celebration itself, though a Disney development, is independent of WDW, not nestled in the heart of the resort. Plus, the City of Celebration, is different as it is a full time residential development, those that live there actually have legal municipal residency and voting privledges. Disney's role was design and development, like any other subdivision builder.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by Chuck S
Yes, but the City of Celebration itself, though a Disney development, is independent of WDW, not nestled in the heart of the resort.

Yes, of course that's true. My point is that the Four Seasons ownership resort will be on land that was Disney property -- land that Walt Disney acquired four decades ago.

From a guest perception standpoint, the Fairfield resort will be far more "on site" than the Four Seasons.

Also, Disney not not seem to consider Celebration to be part of its core business. Earlier this year, Disney's Celebrtation Company, sold Celebration's town center. See http://www.celebrationfl.com/press_room/040121.htm

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by DisZip
Some people we know just came back from spring break at the world and claim that they bought a timeshare down there that is on Disney property, but is not Disney owned/DVC.

I didn't think such a thing existed, but wondered if I was wrong.

It is actually not on Disney property but, abutting it.

 

[HookdonWDW]

I just took a quick glance at the info on the website about Bonnet Creek. I didn't like the fact that all 7 day stays need to start and end on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. I did notice that they will have 4 BR accomodations. Also, it said that "the size area and accomodations shown are not specific to any one resort. They are for illustration purposes only." Why can't they show a picture of the layout you will actually be buying??

 

[Joe T.]

We were just confirmed for a trade into Bonnet Creek in December from Monday to Sunday in a 3BR unit. Then we have a 3BR villa at a OKW for 6 days. The entrance is off Buena Vista Dr. after passing under the welcome sign on Epcot Center Dr. My feeling is that this is similar to the Swan and Dolphin, and Disney transportation will be there. Original plans included a golf course, but they have come to an agreement with Disney to use the Disney courses.

Looking forward to seeing this resort, and will write a report upon our return.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by Joe T.
My feeling is that this is similar to the Swan and Dolphin, and Disney transportation will be there.

The big difference is the Swan and Dolphin are on Disney propery and were developed by Tishman Realty & Construction Co., Inc., under an agreement with The Walt Disney Company. Mihael Eisner even picked the architect.

The Fairfield Orlando at Bonnet Creek Resort is on land that Walt Disney was unable to buy four decades ago. Despite the location, the Bonnet Creek Resort is not part of WDW.

I doubt that folks who stay at the Fairfield will enjoy the typical benefits of staying "on property." I would not expect Disney transportation, early entry, free parking at the parks, package service, or any other Disney benefits.

Of course, if Fairfield is willing to pay enough money to Disney, anything is possible. So, if Fairfield guests end up with Disney transportation or other benefits, it will be due to a business agreement between Fairfield and Disney, not simply because of the Fairfield resort's location.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by Joe T.
Original plans included a golf course, but they have come to an agreement with Disney to use the Disney courses.

Agreement? Aren't Disney courses open to the general public? What sort of agreement would there need to be?

 

[Joe T.]

Absolutely. Money talks. When this was first announced a DVC rep told us that they didn't believe that Disney would even allow access directly on to Disney roads. I expect that Cendant is paying big bucks. Anxious to see what they are getting for their money.

 

[Joe T.]

Don't know what arrangement with golf facility will be. Probably no more than guests at a Disney resort get. Let you know in Dec.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by Joe T.
When this was first announced a DVC rep told us that they didn't believe that Disney would even allow access directly on to Disney roads.

Depending on the tract of land that Fairfield purchased, Disney may not have had much choice. You have to allow property access. If the property Fairfield purchased was locked on all sides (3 by Disney, the last by whomever they bought the propery from), and their property abutted up against Buena Vista, access was pretty much a given legally.

As far as golf, I don't golf, but as far as I know, simply staying on-site doesn't give you any discounts or special golf priviledges.