Olympus 10.1 Megapixel? Happy w/it?!

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I'm looking at the Olympus Stylus 1000 10 MP camera. I can get it for free with United miles...Anyone who has this camera, I'd love to hear what you think of it...Thanks!! (It's the Stylus 1000)
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Olympus 10.0 Megapixel Digital Camera Kit
Catalog #: UA1622

Olympus

Capture special moments with this digital camera. Features 3x optical zoom, 24 shooting modes, 2.5" LCD, digital image stabilization, and PictBridge™ compatibility. It is also equipped with a TruePic TURBO™ image processor, a built-in flash, and a 12-second self-timer. Includes a 1GB xD-Picture Card. 3-4/5" W x 2-1/5" H x 1" D
 
I'm looking at the Olympus Stylus 1000 10 MP camera. I can get it for free with United miles...Anyone who has this camera, I'd love to hear what you think of it...Thanks!! (It's the Stylus 1000)
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Olympus 10.0 Megapixel Digital Camera Kit
Catalog #: UA1622

Olympus

Capture special moments with this digital camera. Features 3x optical zoom, 24 shooting modes, 2.5" LCD, digital image stabilization, and PictBridge™ compatibility. It is also equipped with a TruePic TURBO™ image processor, a built-in flash, and a 12-second self-timer. Includes a 1GB xD-Picture Card. 3-4/5" W x 2-1/5" H x 1" D

If that is the only one offered, then why not get it? Are there other options and what features are you looking to have? Generally, when you push a p&s camera to 10MP, it ends up causing a bunch of image noise. IMO, along with many others that will likely follow me, the best MP range is 5-6MP, but sometimes there are 7-8MP models that are not bad. I have not yet seen a 9-10MP that I would say is good. The problem is that the image sensor is the same size for all of those MP cameras. When you try to get more information out of the same input, something has to give and the result is noise.

Kevin
 
I have found the olympus stylus to be one of the best brands I have ever used. The reviews for it are wonderful and make no mention of noise in the images.

"The Olympus µ (mju) 1000 is a great choice for photographers who insist on very high resolution and yet also want a camera compact enough to carry with them at all times. With the µ (mju) 1000 they really can have the best of both worlds."
 
Where are you quoting that review from?

It's pretty much impossible for a point-n-shoot with 10mp to not have serious noise issues at anything but the lowest ISO levels.
 

If that is the only one offered, then why not get it? Are there other options and what features are you looking to have? Generally, when you push a p&s camera to 10MP, it ends up causing a bunch of image noise. IMO, along with many others that will likely follow me, the best MP range is 5-6MP, but sometimes there are 7-8MP models that are not bad. I have not yet seen a 9-10MP that I would say is good. The problem is that the image sensor is the same size for all of those MP cameras. When you try to get more information out of the same input, something has to give and the result is noise.

Kevin

Actually there's a 7 MP Olympus that I could get with points, but in my simplistic thought pattern, I figured 10 was better than 7 (Like the Spinal Tap amp that goes up to 11 ;)

Anyhow, I don't really understand noise and ISO...but it sounds like for the point and shot digitals, I might be better off with a 7 MP rather than 10 MP.

I used to do some beginner photography stuff with a 35 mm Minolta when I was younger, but once I had kids I started to enjoy the ease of a point and shoot...I now have a Nikon Cool Pix 4 MP that's about 3 or 4 years old. I feel like I can definitely tell that the images are digital rather than film images. I thought maybe jumping up a few MP would make the difference in the print quality.

Thanks for the feedback. SOunds like I should look into a lower number of MP...

Thanks again!
 
Actually there's a 7 MP Olympus that I could get with points, but in my simplistic thought pattern, I figured 10 was better than 7 (Like the Spinal Tap amp that goes up to 11 ;)

Anyhow, I don't really understand noise and ISO...but it sounds like for the point and shot digitals, I might be better off with a 7 MP rather than 10 MP.

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Thanks for the feedback. SOunds like I should look into a lower number of MP...

Picking a camera based on MP is like picking a car based on HP. Each task you do with that car will require a certain amount of HP (driving to the store on a flat road, driving up a hill, pulling into traffic safely, etc.) but there aren't many real-life applications for a 500HP engine. Unless you drive a semi, tractor or race car.

In a similar fashion, you need to determine what your need for MP is. Are you collecting pics for the future? Are you publishing them online? Are you printing small ones out for family and friends or are you printing big copies? Unless you plan on printing at bigger than 8x10, you probably don't need more than 6MP.

Where the MP is the pure power of the engine (okay, HP isn't really pure power), the sensor is the transmission. Just as the transmission has a finite amount of power it can transfer (RPMs and redlining), there's a certain amount of data that a sensor can turn into a good picture and trying to turn more data into a good pic, can cause more problems.

That's not to say that you can't get good pics out of a 10MP camera with a small sensor, just that you have more limits on what you can get a good picture of. But you should get better quality pics out of a 6-7 MP camera using the same sensor.
 
Where are you quoting that review from?

It's pretty much impossible for a point-n-shoot with 10mp to not have serious noise issues at anything but the lowest ISO levels.

quoting from dpreview, I find it's one of the best sites out there for this. I also think that a LOT of people underestimate how good an olympus camera is!
 
quoting from dpreview, I find it's one of the best sites out there for this. I also think that a LOT of people underestimate how good an olympus camera is!

I don't think it has anything at all to do with brand. It is just a fact that it is a tiny sensor and likely a Sony one just like everyone else uses. When you up the MPs to that high of a level, the fact is that the noise goes up. They might have processes in their firmware that do enough noise reduction to make it look better, but that is always at the cost of detail, so you are not getting any true increase in resolution over something like a 6-7MP even though it is called a 10MP image.

I would personally rather have the noise and do my own NR with something like Noise Ninja or Noiseware as I feel they do a better job than most firmware.

As for DPReview, I think Phil has been a little inconsistent lately and I am not all that trusting in his judgment anymore. Also, if he is doing the reviews correctly, his comments should apply to a class of cameras and not comparing ones at different levels. For example, he should not be comparing a 10MP p&s to a 5MP p&s and a DSLR. For the class, it probably is good, but I bet the 6-7MP Olympus has better noise control and detail.

Kevin
 
As for DPReview, I think Phil has been a little inconsistent lately and I am not all that trusting in his judgment anymore. Also, if he is doing the reviews correctly, his comments should apply to a class of cameras and not comparing ones at different levels. For example, he should not be comparing a 10MP p&s to a 5MP p&s and a DSLR. For the class, it probably is good, but I bet the 6-7MP Olympus has better noise control and detail.

Personally, I prefer the reviews at the Digital Camera Resource Page ... I like the fact that his comparisons are fair (he uses the same night shot and scene for ISO tests) and he seems to give each camera a very thorough workout.

If the 7.1MP camera is the Stylus 750, here's the DCRP review of it.
 
quoting from dpreview, I find it's one of the best sites out there for this. I also think that a LOT of people underestimate how good an olympus camera is!
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I hate to point this out to you, but....................................

You're quoting from a press release, which is not exactly a review. (This is another problem with DPReview, in the quest to appear to have more information than other sites, things like press releases are not cleared marked as such.) DPReview has not reviewed the Olympus 1000. In fact, they have not reviewed any Olympus PnS with more than 7mp.

Since there aren't reviews of the 10mp Olympus to be found (at least, I couldn't find any, but admittedly I didn't look very hard), we can go to DPReview's review of the new 7mp Olympus SP-550UZ, which should have their latest noise reduction and sensor technology. They say, "There's a lot of noise reduction going on at anything over ISO 200 too, and by the time you get to ISO 1600 - the highest 'full resolution' option - the output looks distinctly blurry - despite some fairly obvious and visible chroma noise in the shadows. Included for completeness in the crops above are the two lower resolution high ISO options, 3200 and 5000, which are almost free of noise, but almost free of detail too."

DCRP had this to say about it: "There is just a slight increase is noise when you go from ISO 50 to 100, with a minor loss in detail. At ISO 200 we see more noticeable noise, and once we hit ISO 400 there is a lot of multi-colored noise destroying the details of the shot. At ISO 800 this noise and detail loss is magnified, and by the time we reach ISO 1600 there is virtually no detail left."

Steve's Digicams, which is generally pretty easy on the cameras in the review, had this to say about the 8mp Olympus FE-250: "These high ISO settings also show a significant increase in image noise. ... The camera selected an ISO speed of 1000, which is not even the highest setting available, and the image looks horrible. Not even worthy of being used for a 4x6-inch print. You can also manually select ISO from 64 - 10000. This is by far the highest sensitivity we have seen on any consumer model. However, noise levels are higher than normal, even at ISO 64. At 6400 and 10000 (which the camera reduces the image quality to SQ1) images look as if they had been taken by a camera phone."

Now, if these are the results you're getting from 7mp and 8mp sensors, what hope does the 10mp sensor have? Actually, the FE-250 has a larger 1/1.8" sensor (as compared to the 1/2.5" sensor in the SP-550UZ) but apparently that's not enough to make a significant difference in noise levels. The Stylus 1000 also has the 1/1.8" sensor but based on what Steve's has to say about how noisy the pictures that Olympus gets from the 8mp sensor, it was bad enough with 8mp, squeezing in two more mp into the same size sensor can only make it worse.

Also note that Steve's mentions that "noise levels are higher than normal, even at ISO 64" with the 8mp Olympus 1/1.8" sensor. Yet they're selling PnS cameras with 5000 or even 6400 ISO. It sounds to me like ISO is the new megapixel, according to the marketing folks. Now if only the SENSOR would be the new megapixel... only Fuji seems to actively promote the sensors in their PnS cameras.
 
but the FE cameras are not the same quality as the stylus cameras. Not even in the same category when comparing. It's like comparing a house to an apartment. Also the 550UZ is not that new. I just got the stylus 770SW and I have yet to see a problem with noise since i have been playing with it. granted I haven't had it that long but even zooming in on a picture x's 10 it still look great! the sylus is a much better camera than the FE and the UZ does nothing for me.
 
Groucho said:
Now if only the SENSOR would be the new megapixel...

Whoa! Back up the truck there, Skippy. If camera manuf. did that, then people would take better quality pictures and have less reason to upgrade. :scared1: How would marketing people justify their big salaries if they focus on the same feature, and it's a valid feature to boot?

It's 2007 and that means disposable everything. We can't be focusing on aspects like QUALITY; customers want CONVENIENCE, they want SPEED and they don't want to have to worry about details. People want to save some money and are willing to spend a lot in order to do so! And camera manuf. have a responsibility to give customers exactly what they want, even if the price is making more money. If the companies HAVE to make more money by giving the public what it wants, they'll take the extra profits, but only grudgingly.

Remember, your kids NEED to have had their pictures taken by AT LEAST 20 different types of cameras or they won't get prom dates :teacher:. And you wouldn't want that to happen, right? :eek: Don't risk it, go out and buy several cameras and get those pictures from different cameras taken! :thumbsup2

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pyrxtc said:
Also the 550UZ is not that new.

It came out two months ago. Just what do you consider new if two months "is not that new?"
 
Whoa! Back up the truck there, Skippy. If camera manuf. did that, then people would take better quality pictures and have less reason to upgrade. :scared1: How would marketing people justify their big salaries if they focus on the same feature, and it's a valid feature to boot?

It's 2007 and that means disposable everything. We can't be focusing on aspects like QUALITY; customers want CONVENIENCE, they want SPEED and they don't want to have to worry about details.
True enough, why, back in the old days of the late '80s/early '90s, I bought my 35mm SLR and had no interest in upgrading it to a newer film SLR! Still don't! And technology-wise, it was about 20+ years old at the time! (K1000.) Not what Madison Ave wants to see!

It came out two months ago. Just what do you consider new if two months "is not that new?"
You took the words out of my mouth.

The other point is that it doesn't matter if the Stylus is more "high end" than the FE series, the FE-250 has an Olympus 1/1.8" sensor and the Stylus 1000 has an Olympus 1/1.8" sensor. The only difference is that the 1000 is squeezing even more megapixels out of it. I think anyone expecting to get better image quality out of the Stylus 1000 than the FE-250 is going to be sorely disappointed. They may get better build quality, more features, quick responsiveness... but not better image quality, probably worse.
 














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