OK - Who won?

[peachgirl]

What a hideous individual.

I agree. Hannity is a miserable human being.

We can always count on you Dawn to bring up the totally irrelevant and meaningless...


Too bad Bush apparently is going to be routed 3 to zip in the debates....

 

[dmadman43]

we should have had this before the debate...



If You Hear the Codeword, Scream Real Loud!
I heard that Bush's mention of the Dredd Scott case in the last debate was a codeword for Roe v. Wade.

How devious!

Of course, the liberals have codewords too. Here's a list of some of them so you'll be prepared for tonight's debate.

LIBERAL CODEWORDS

the rich, the wealthy = you
e.g. "We’ll fund things by taxing the rich."

fair = huge, enormous
e.g. "Everyone needs to pay their fair share."

progressive (n.) = shrill left-wing nut
e.g. "Michael Moore is a prominent progressive."

progressive (adj.) = appallingly moronic
e.g. "We hope to get into law more progressive policies."

choice, women's rights, reproductive rights = abortion

choose = abort, kill
(this one is really taking hold; it's only a matter of time until we hear a news report about headless prostitutes being found and thus a "serial-chooser" is on the loose)

undocumented immigrants = illegal immigrants

militants, insurgents = murdering terrorists

terrorism = nuisances

protestor = stupid, dirty, noisy hippy

freedom of speech = liberal speech being forced on everyone by law

suppression of speech = criticism of liberal speech

climate of fear = sense of reality
e.g. "Republicans are trying to win by creating a climate of fear."

fit to print = carefully edited to make conservatives look bad
e.g. "All the news that's fit to print."

Whole phrases can be codes too:

"I support the troops but not the war." = "I hope the news reports more casualties I can use as a political bludgeon."

"Labels are only to scare people." = "Stop accurately calling me a liberal; I'm trying to hide that."

"One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter." = "I'm such a moral midget, I can't even call people murdering women and children what they are."

"You’re questioning my patriotism!" = "Your legitimate attacks on my voting record is making me question my patriotism."

"No blood for oil." = "..."

There is also one codeword that originated on Democratic Underground and has started to spread elsewhere:

freeper = 1. (archaic) someone who posts on Free Republic
2. someone who uses rational thought
e.g. "How can you say Edwards didn't completely trash Cheney in the debate in every way possible? I smell freeper."



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[one_cat]

I agree PeachGirl, it's a bummer.

It will be interesting to see what happens on Nov 2.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Too bad Bush apparently is going to be routed 3 to zip in the debates....

First, only in your mind, second... so.. we shouldn't go to the polls on Nov 2nd? Election over and Kerry declared winner because in some peoples minds he won all 3 debates?

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by dmadman43
First, only in your mind, ?

No, in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

we shouldn't go to the polls on Nov 2nd? Election over and Kerry declared winner because in some peoples minds he won all 3 debates?

Absolutely! Republicans should just give up and stay home!

Of course not, but don't try and tell me you wouldn't be a whole lot happier if Bush had won all 3...heck, if he'd won even just one!

 

[Laura]

Bush said tonight:

"Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations.

"Of course we're worried about Osama bin Laden. We're on the hunt after Osama bin Laden. We're using every asset at our disposal to get Osama bin Laden."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/federal/20041013-1958-prezdebatetranscript.html


He didn't bother to give any context for the "not that concerned" statement, he simply denied it. (And to me, that statement says, "don't know, don't care, he's pretty much kaput dead or alive". A bit of a digression from previous/current statements about finding the guy.)

The Republicans are getting mileage out of the "global test" phrase too, but Kerry at least tries to put it back into the context in which he said it. Doesn't make you look good when you deny a statement that you made, no matter why you made it.

 

[CLynnJones]

IMO Kerry won and so far the polls from AOL, CNN, MSNBC & FOX all agree. Kerry is 3 for 3!!! I have to say in Bush's favor his debate style has improved since the 1st one.

 

[captin fink]

Thanks TeeJay

When you look at the full context of what someone said instead of a 20 sec. sound bite it takes on a whole new meaning. And by the way both sides are guilty of the "sound bite" distortion.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by peachgirl
No, in the opinion of the majority of Americans.





Absolutely! Republicans should just give up and stay home!

Of course not, but don't try and tell me you wouldn't be a whole lot happier if Bush had won all 3...heck, if he'd won even just one!

Believe me, my state of mind and happiness is not anywhere close to being tied to who wins a debate, let alone the election. I have far more important things to concern myself with. Heck, I didn't watch any of the debates, because I already know who I'm voting for. So, how either one did really didn't matter all that much to me.

I just get amused by your posts.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
Terry McAwful was proclaiming a Kerry victory. While he was prattling on, Sean Hannity touched his arm in conversation. McAwful glares at him and says; "Don't touch me". What a hideous individual. I hope Sean takes a shower tonight after being in his presence.

McAuliffe is truly a slimeball. How anyone can let this miserable piece of unmitigated human trash out into public is beyond me.

It is one of the things I just don't understand about the Democrat party - just look at the filth who they are content to let represent them:

Michael Moore
Larry Flynt
Ramsey Clark
George Soros
James Carville
Paul Begala
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Ben Barnes
Dan Rather
etc etc

 

[lucysdad]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
McAuliffe is truly a slimeball. How anyone can let this miserable piece of unmitigated human trash out into public is beyond me.

It is one of the things I just don't understand about the Democrat party - just look at the filth who they are content to let represent them:

Michael Moore
Larry Flynt
Ramsey Clark
George Soros
James Carville
Paul Begala
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Ben Barnes
Dan Rather
etc etc

 

[beattyfamily]

Bush won and it was a debate that should have been a slam dunk for Kerry....the economy.

I don't care what an online polls says; Kerry's team has people whose only job is to vote on those polls to ensure he wins.

Low blow bringing up Cheney's DD yet again and from what I've been hearing after the debate, even Democrats think that.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Low blow bringing up Cheney's DD yet again and from what I've been hearing after the debate, even Democrats think that.

I was shocked that Kerry was dumb enough to do that.

It was totally uncalled for and completely out of character in a presidential debate.

One has to wonder if he knew he was getting his head handed to him and was desperate to get something controversial out on the table.

It just doesn't make sense. Even AlGore was not that stupid.

Major blunder. Nobody will like that except his red-meat sychophants.

 

[lucysdad]

Sorry, board is being nonfunctional on my end. My reply didn't make it, and on second thought I'm glad. It's not worth it anymore. The debates are over, let the best man (please make it the BEST man) win. Other than that, let the chips fall where they may, and God help us all.

 

[CLynnJones]

I truly don't understand all the uproar over Kerry bringing up Cheney's daughter. I think he is very proud of his daughter and has every right to be. There is nothing to be ashamed or apalled (sp?) about. Neither VP Cheney nor his daughter are afraid or ashamed to talk about it as far as I've seen.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by CLynnJones
I truly don't understand all the uproar over Kerry bringing up Cheney's daughter. I think he is very proud of his daughter and has every right to be. There is nothing to be ashamed or apalled (sp?) about. Neither VP Cheney nor his daughter are afraid or ashamed to talk about it as far as I've seen.

It's not Kerry's place to bring it up. Her specific sexual preference is irrelevant to the discourse.

 

[Nancy]

Originally posted by CLynnJones
I truly don't understand all the uproar over Kerry bringing up Cheney's daughter. I think he is very proud of his daughter and has every right to be. There is nothing to be ashamed or apalled (sp?) about. Neither VP Cheney nor his daughter are afraid or ashamed to talk about it as far as I've seen.

And Cheney has every right to be proud of his daughter...but it was totally unneeded for Kerry to mention her name during the debate. It served no purpose to mention her name except to make himself look bad.....to my 11 year old it looked like "he was trying to make the President mad by saying that."

My 11 year old actually had some very interesting observations tonight. She has never watched a debate before and has never seen too much of the political speeches or tv ads. I was surprised she wanted to watch with me...I let her stay up a bit later then normal to see the whole thing.

 

[cjsmom5]

Thought Kerry won the first one hands down. Thought second one was a tie ... and give the edge to Bush for the third one .. in my view. I think this will give Bush momentum going forward into the the last three weeks...time will tell.

And, I agree the reference to Cheney's daughter was uncalled for ... seemed out of place and very awkward. It would have been different if Cheney had mentioned it but seemed inappropriate coming from Kerry tonight and also from Edwards during the presidential campaign.

I'm not sure that what happened tonight changed anyone's mind. Seems like it depended on who was the "talking head" on the television set.

Nov 2 is quickly approaching but unfortunately I fear that the election results will be tied up in court for many weeks afterwards ... which I dread!

My DH's job depends on who is elected so this election we will vote with the job! Makes it easy for us to decide.

 

[Mermaid02]

Kerry lost the minute he brought up Cheney's daughter- What did she PERSONALLY have to do with the question. Cheap shot Senator.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by Nancy
My 11 year old actually had some very interesting observations tonight. She has never watched a debate before and has never seen too much of the political speeches or tv ads. I was surprised she wanted to watch with me...I let her stay up a bit later then normal to see the whole thing.

Absolutely!!!

This is an educational experience that cannot be duplicated within the halls of a schoolhouse.

I used to break bedtime rules all the time with my children whenever something truly interesting was happening. This included all the presidential debates, milestones in space exploration, etc.

Good for you. And congratulations to your daughter for her interest. Very mature.