Ok so it's time to ask for help...I need help.

i remember she mentioned they drive a long ways. It wouldn't be suitable for an SUV to drive that everyday.

I would seperate out the health products and cleaning supplies from your list. Those are generally monthly items, not weekly. And only buy them when they're on sale. So one is in reserve when you run out, no more need to pick this up cause you're running low and paying full price.

I understand living in a rural area, you might need to have some sort of cable package in order to recieve your basic channels. But cut it to the bare.

Since you are rural, have you tried starting a garden? Asking your kids to help tend to it during the week. I know it's late in the season, but i'm sure there's some fall-late summer plants. And eat as much as you can out of your garden. And you don't have to worry about the water bill.

Have you done everything for cutting your electric down?? Water heaters are the biggest user, since that's off the gas, that's some savings.
82 is low, but there's always lower. Limit TV time, and use power strips with an off switch. Because so many things drain power by being on standby, even your tv is. Power strip every one's cell phone charger. Charge them all over night, and turn the switch off each morning. Even my phone tells me, "unplug power supply to save energy" when i take it off.

One thing that really helped was using three accounts. 2 checking and a seperate savings. The weekly paychecks could be divided into more than one account, either by a percentage or set amount through direct deposit.
When we both worked, it was 15% into savings on top of workplan retirement accounts. Then it got changed to a set amount to cover the rent.
The remainder went into a second checking account, which was used solely for online bill pays. Paychecks went in thursday, bills came out friday.
The first checking account was the debit card account. This paid for gas, food, and any bills not paid online.
Thursday i could transfer over any extra amount to the debit card. Of course important things were purchased like gas. And once it was gone, it was gone.


Do you share an account?? Do you each have a debit/credit card tied to the account? That was a major culprit in wasting money. Lets say i knew there was 10$ in the account, kari knew there was 10$ in the account.... We'd both wind up spend 2 or 3$ thinking nothing of it... Then find out we were at less than we thought.
Either share one card, so money can only be spent at one time. Or open a second account as your hubby's spending account. Tell him how much is in there, enough to cover gas and anything else he needs daily. Then once it's gone, it's gone and he better hope the gas isn't on empty. That way you know how much is going out, and he can be accountable for himself. Who knows, he might not spend everything and start building up a little extra.

And never never never pay for gas at the pump. Always go inside and prepay. It takes two seconds for them to credit your account if you put too much. But it could be 2-3 days before the charges ever appear when paying at the pump. And it only pings your account for a 1$. Or just use cash. I have gotten into a strong habit of paying inside. Because i've been burned by the charges appearing 2-3 days later.


Do what works for you. Some people go cash only with envelopes. For me, having several bank accounts was my invisible envelope.
 
If I add up all that you've listed (except groceries) I estimate that you have $459 left to cover groceries and everything you haven't listed (clothing, meds).

I get $549 (didn't include the landline since she said that is being dropped). But she still hasn't bought groceries. At the bottom end of her scale, that's $400, leaving her with $149 - and two old cars that are likely repair hogs. At the high end of her grocery bill, she's $150 in the hole.

OP, you need to cut everything you can - get rid of the dish, the second car. Slash the grocery bill (Dave Ramsey says "rice and beans" - I'm not his biggest fan, and that's a little extreme, but get rid of everything there you can.)

Do you qualify for a refinance on the house to lower payments? I'm not up on what is being done now (others are), but sqeezing a few more dollars out of your mortgage payments might be good.

You have a year on the car - at most that's $2500 or so - if you sell stuff like crazy you maybe could get rid of that car loan. That would give you something to snowball with.

There isn't a lot of room for you to move in your budget.
 
No there isn't a lot of room to move at the end of a month Crisi - that is my point - can't snowball if I got nothing to snowball lol!!

Ok so I am unplugging stuff and driving my family nuts - I have gone behind them for the last 2 weeks unplugging stuff. I turn off the tv when no one watches and it's eaiser for me now that it's summer cuz I don't watch tv in the summer (too busy after work I guess and I go to the library alot to get books to read).

I have to have some kind of cable cuz we are rural otherwise all the kids get to watch is static (they are 15, 13, and 11 and I don't think static will fly in my house).

Groceries are becoming the bane of my existance now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lobbed into the groceries the health/beauty/laundry/dog food because that dollar range 400-700 is an average of what I spent per month for 3 months. This month I have already spent my budgeted amount of $475 (35 dog food per month, 40 for health/beauty/laundry and 400 for plain old groceries). IT'S ONLY 6-17-10 and I have spent it! that's INSANE :confused3! I can only buy milk now til the end of the month and trust me - the cereal will run out and so will the yogurt :scared1:
 
I can't remember, do you have the internet at home? If so, what about using hulu or something like that to watch TV on your computer? Or - this is more extreme - cancel the cable, and make the kids find something else to do!

Have you talked to your kids about your debts? My DD isn't old enough, and she's my first, so I'm not sure how to go about doing this, but your youngest is 11, and that's old enough to understand the basics of debt, and that they need to do their part in helping you & your hubby get rid of it. Instead of following them around the house, shutting off stuff, get them to do it.

My hubby used to work as a golf caddie when he was younger, and his parents "taxed" 1/3 of whatever he earned. The money wasn't set aside for his use later, and it wasn't an intentional life lesson - his parents needed that money...
 

Do you get a big tax return every year? That's an interest-free loan to the government, and if so, you are paying the cc companies big $$ in interest in order to give the government that loan. It might make sense to reduce your withholding so you can get the money NOW and get those cards paid off sooner. A $3600 tax return could mean $300 more now - that could make a big difference in your monthly budget.

I'd just be careful not to take too much back so you don't end up owing next year (with money you don't have).
 
I can't remember, do you have the internet at home? If so, what about using hulu or something like that to watch TV on your computer? Or - this is more extreme - cancel the cable, and make the kids find something else to do!

I "think" she does not have internet at home, however it might be cheaper for her to have internet at home than to pay for cable. She could watch shows over the internet, get coupons for shopping, rebates, etc.
 
No there isn't a lot of room to move at the end of a month Crisi - that is my point - can't snowball if I got nothing to snowball lol!!

Ok so I am unplugging stuff and driving my family nuts - I have gone behind them for the last 2 weeks unplugging stuff. I turn off the tv when no one watches and it's eaiser for me now that it's summer cuz I don't watch tv in the summer (too busy after work I guess and I go to the library alot to get books to read).

I have to have some kind of cable cuz we are rural otherwise all the kids get to watch is static (they are 15, 13, and 11 and I don't think static will fly in my house).

Groceries are becoming the bane of my existance now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lobbed into the groceries the health/beauty/laundry/dog food because that dollar range 400-700 is an average of what I spent per month for 3 months. This month I have already spent my budgeted amount of $475 (35 dog food per month, 40 for health/beauty/laundry and 400 for plain old groceries). IT'S ONLY 6-17-10 and I have spent it! that's INSANE :confused3! I can only buy milk now til the end of the month and trust me - the cereal will run out and so will the yogurt :scared1:

Has anyone mentioned the couponing boards like afullcup, slickdeals.net and hotcouponworld? The folks on those boards usually do the leg-work for you so you can see what grocery deals are in your area and how to put them together for yourself. Also, please consider making your own laundry detergent - my DH made a face when I first suggested it and now he is its biggest fan. What are you buying for $40 a month in the HBA/laundry category?
 
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Minnie your right I don't have internet at home - only at work hahahaha!!!

We would either have to go expensive like Hughes Net (think over $50 a month) or dial up which I have tried and that was an epic fail! Downloads were tortureous like slow death in slow motion. Ya that bad!

I do all my online-ing at work - coupons, dissing, you know the usual lol!!
 
Has anyone mentioned the couponing boards like afullcup, slickdeals.net and hotcouponworld? The folks on those boards usually do the leg-work for you so you can see what grocery deals are in your area and how to put them together for yourself. Also, please consider making your own laundry detergent - my DH made a face when I first suggested it and now he is its biggest fan. What are you buying for $40 a month in the HBA/laundry category?

I buy whatever is on sale (wisk, tide and the like) fabric softner, bleach... $40 is generous but laundry detergent is expensive for 2 containers it is at least $15 per bottle. My dh :love: does the laundry not me but I buy the stuff. I have switched the fabric softner to vinegar as suggested by the Vinegar Thread. He hasn't said whether he likes it or not though. Does homemade detergent work for a front loader? I would be interested in knowing that.

I do clip coupons but we only have double up to 50cents around here and I am just bad at grocery shopping I am learning. Anyone wanna come with me to the grocery store to school me??? :laughing: No seriously.:worship:

And I buy shampoo like Sauve for me and the kids and liquid soap for the kids shower and Dove for me - there is shaving cream and razors and female supplies and TP. The list is endless.......
 
I buy whatever is on sale (wisk, tide and the like) fabric softner, bleach... $40 is generous but laundry detergent is expensive for 2 containers it is at least $15 per bottle. My dh :love: does the laundry not me but I buy the stuff. I have switched the fabric softner to vinegar as suggested by the Vinegar Thread. He hasn't said whether he likes it or not though. Does homemade detergent work for a front loader? I would be interested in knowing that.

I use about 1/8 c. Borax and about 2 Tablespoons of detergent in my washer - a little more if I'm cleaning the baseball gear and a lot of sliding was done or something. Pretreat stains. Everything comes out fine.

I've also, on the advice of my stylist, taken to washing my hair about every four days. Takes a while to get going (every other day, then every third day - your scalp stops "overproducing" the oil you are stripping out of it), but my hair is in much better shape, and I use very little shampoo. My daughter's hair needs to be washed every day though. My sons can be washed once a week. This is sort of penny savings that doesn't get you very far if you are using cheaper shampoo - I'm not doing it for the pennies.

Similar with most of the cleaning products I use. Half the amount I used to use gets the job done. Spray my counters with water and let them sit, most of it wipes right up and then a quick spray with cleaner. Half the detergent in the dishwasher (but make sure to rinse your dishes). I'm not doing it to save, for me this is part of the household green initiative, but the result is I seldom buy cleaner.
 
Does homemade detergent work for a front loader? I would be interested in knowing that.

And I buy shampoo like Sauve for me and the kids and liquid soap for the kids shower and Dove for me - there is shaving cream and razors and female supplies and TP. The list is endless.......

I believe that home made detergent will work in a front loader, if you google it, I'm sure you'll find tons of info.

I mentioned above CVS...do you have one nearby?

Do you use paper towels and napkins? If so, make the switch to cloth. A LOT less money!!
 
let them sit, most of it wipes right up and then a quick spray with cleaner. Half the detergent in the dishwasher (but make sure to rinse your dishes). I'm not doing it to save, for me this is part of the household green initiative, but the result is I seldom buy cleaner.

I've also found that for most days, running the dishwasher on the short cycle is adequate. On mine that means a 30 minute cycle compared to 1.5-2 hour cycle. Helps save on the electric bill for sure!
 
With laundry, take what you've been using and halve it. I learned this when DS was in cloth dipes; the manufacturers tell us to use FAR more detergent than we actually need. So that might cut down your detergent usage in half, which of course does good things for your wallet over time.

I still think that thinking of the snowball is thinking too far ahead. It's good that you've already looked back at what you have spent...it's the place to start. If you have receipts, look at what was necessary and what was "shopping while hungry" etc etc. :) Find a good place to start. Honestly, we have a high grocery budget and it's just 3 of us here, no pets at all. We started our grocery budget with what we *had been* spending, quickly found out that that was WAY more than we actually *needed*. Note: we put the house stuff, cleaning stuff, etc into the grocery budget. Some months you need laundry detergent and Comet; other months you don't need those things but you need shampoo etc etc (though I've just fallen in LOVE with Sauve coconut shampoo and conditioner, 99 cents each! makes DH and DS happier too, compared to the Green Apple etc scents of other shampoos). It all evens out for me. And if there's money left from the grocery money (I keep cash in a zippered little purse/wallet thing, and try to not spend the coins) that goes straight to the current debt (our car). But again, that's ME thinking too far ahead! Anyway, so the second month of our budget, I lowered it by $100...next month I lowered it again. and I think once more.

So get that budget and that little emergency fund done first. Don't think about the snowball yet.
 
My goodness, your budget is tight, it squeaks!

OK, great idea on the yard sale.

Can you or your husband pick up some side employment for Saturdays or evenings? It would suck for a while. I worked my full time job during the week, taught in the evenings, and worked 12 hour night shifts every other Friday and Saturday night in the hospital.

It was miserable. I was worried about our retirement saving, the kiddo's college funds, basically worried about sliding backwards while I waited anxiously for my DH to find a job after he retired from the military. Security clearance and 21 years of military experience wasn't gaining even a second glance from anyone willing to pay him more than 40K a year even with an MBA. It just took two years, I didn't want to take from my kiddo's future by eating away our college and retirement savings if I could help it. It felt like I was either working, on my way to work, or asleep for almost two years. Blech!

On a positive note, my DH did finally find that dream job, I streamlined to just one job during the week, and it did not harm our savings.

Since it was temporary, and it served a purpose, it worked.

It stunk, but it worked.
 
I just think you need to seriously consider cutting the 3rd car and cutting the cell phones. Honestly, you're about to hit bankruptcy if you continue this way. If you go to an all cash, Dave Ramsey budget, I think it would be really beneficial. Do you have his book?
 
Thanks loveable for sharing your tips with me. It is helpful, truly!

To those that suggest selling a car - no can do. Why? Because I drive 84 miles everyday to/from work and my dh drives 90 miles everday to/from work. My dh's car is a little economy car that gets 32 mpg. My car gets 24mpg and the SUV is a fuel guzzler - Excursion - that is diesel and diesel is high - and it has 160,000 miles on it. Doesn't make any sense to me to sell something that gets good/decent gas mileage and drive something everyday that doesn't. We won't get anything for our high mileage cars here in Michigan since nothing is selling because no one is working. We need our more fule effecient cars for everyday. Sorry.

I am going through the basement this weekend and getting stuff together for a yard sale. I don't have a water bill as we are rural and have a well. I don't have internet at home either - so no money being spent on that.

I have a freezer full of beef - steaks, burger, roasts, stew meat, you name it so all I have to buy is chicken and pork when I go to the store. What kills my grocery budget is junk I guess.

Here is my total expenses for a month so maybe you can help me further:

Mortgage - $1125
Eq loan (not line of credit) - $294
Taxes & Hom. ins - escrowed
Elect - $82
Water - $0.0
Gas - $0.0 (have a wood boiler)
Cell - $171
Landline - $90 (going to cancel it)
Trash - $25- (pay a co. to pic up since we are rural)
Cable (DISH) - $47
Grocery - $400-700 - includes dog food, laundry supp. & health/beauty supp.
Car Pymt - $193
Gasoline - $480
Car Ins - $381
CC pymts - $1035
Healthcare is automatically deducted from paycheck as well as money put into a healthsavings account to pay for deduct. & copayments.

Take home is $4382 a month.

There you have it - all of it.

When I went to CCCS, they told me my food budget was too high. I tried to cut back. But honestly, the only thing that really helped me was to have them manage those CC's and negotiate lower payments and lower interest rates, which cut my payments in half. It is really difficult to admit you have a problem, and you, my dear, have conquered that first step. So hang in there and just do what you have to do. You will get through this, it will just take time. Best wishes and many blessings.
 
When I went to CCCS, they told me my food budget was too high. I tried to cut back. But honestly, the only thing that really helped me was to have them manage those CC's and negotiate lower payments and lower interest rates, which cut my payments in half. It is really difficult to admit you have a problem, and you, my dear, have conquered that first step. So hang in there and just do what you have to do. You will get through this, it will just take time. Best wishes and many blessings.

Thanks for your vote of confidence! I just want to attack this and ugh it's hard. Harder than I thought quite honestly. We will see what the counseling service has to say when we meet with them. If nothing else it will be interesting to say the least. I can say thought that even though things are tight I don't see us near backruptcy. Everything is current - we haven't defaulted on anything. I mean am I blind - are we close to needing to claim bankruptcy?

Michelle
 
Do you get a big tax return every year? That's an interest-free loan to the government, and if so, you are paying the cc companies big $$ in interest in order to give the government that loan. It might make sense to reduce your withholding so you can get the money NOW and get those cards paid off sooner. A $3600 tax return could mean $300 more now - that could make a big difference in your monthly budget.

I'd just be careful not to take too much back so you don't end up owing next year (with money you don't have).
Definitely look at your withholdings if you get a big tax refund. I never changed mine after my DD was born last year, and I ended up getting almost $3000 in refunds between fed & state returns. In previous years I'd only gotten a few hundred at most. After I adjusted my withholdings, my take-home pay went up almost $60/week.
 
I just think you need to seriously consider cutting the 3rd car and cutting the cell phones. Honestly, you're about to hit bankruptcy if you continue this way. If you go to an all cash, Dave Ramsey budget, I think it would be really beneficial. Do you have his book?

I agree - I know its hard - VERY hard to think about doing without the SUV. But I think once you cut out the SUV you will find it was alot easier than you originally thought.

The Cell Phone bill is VERY high - are there more than your husbands and your phones on the account? Maybe try and go bare bones if you can't get rid of the cell phones at all.
 
Well my kids have cell phones. Remember that my dh and I work opposite shifts and the kids are home alone for a few hours every day and if I don't have a land line - how are they going to get ahold of us if they need us? Therefore they have their own phones which aren't very much per line - like $15 for them in total. We don't have internet at home cuz we are rural and dial up is worthless so we have internet on our phones - can't get it on just the hubby's phone and my phone cuz Sprint doesn't work that way so we all have it. Crazy I know.
 














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