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New id, but old to DIS boards. Looking for the info needed to make a smart choice when buying into DVC.

1st time time-share buyers, and will only consider because I am a Disney addict!
We have 3 kids (ages 6,5,and 3), 2 kids have autism and do very well at WDW. They are great with kids with special needs.

We are in the lucky few who can afford to visit 1-2x/year--usually staying at GF concierge. My eldest would ADORE AKL if she were given the chance, but we have avoided off-monorail properties due to their young ages.

I think we are ready to buy into DVC, and would love the great feedback from the DIS boards.

We usually like 1 wk in late August, and 5 days at Thanksgiving. We prefer deluxe resorts with concierge if available, but a 1 or 2 BR would work. I really love the convenient locations afforded by BCV and the like. We def don't want SSR or OKW. Now that AKL is opening up- what would be the best way to get on the DVC train, and how many points would cover our style of vacation?

I can see myself traveling with the kids as well as with friends at least annually for the next decade.

If cost were not an issue, where would you buy, how many points for a family of 5 with expensive tastes, and wheat month oif the year to get it all started?

Thanks in advance. This board always has the best advice. I learn somethin' new every time!!

Marlene
 
My eldest would ADORE AKL if she were given the chance, but we have avoided off-monorail properties due to their young ages.

Well, the kids are only going to get older so I personally wouldn't worry about their ages. If AKL is something that appeals to all of you, then I think it's the best place to start. You get the longest contract for a great price.

Also, AKV will be the first to feature One Bedroom villas that legitimately sleep 5 guests and have two full bathrooms. At other resorts they will let you put 5 in a 1B, but you'll have to bring your own airbed or sleeping bag, and you'll only have one bathroom.

Hope that helps.
Tim
 
Hi Marlene. :)
You will find that many people here visit WDW often. You will also find a huge variety of opinions on which resort, and why.

Personally we prefer VWL and AKV, primarily for the theming. Although AKV has concierge, I wouldn't buy it for that reason since there are so few club level rooms.

We usually stay club level at the regular Disney hotels, but concierge will be somewhat of a waste with DVC.
There is no need to wander to the lounge for the $200 cup of coffee, as you can have it right in your villa.
I'm still waiting to hear about turndown service since there is no daily housekeeping.

If you haven't done so already, you should visit each resort and weigh all the pros and cons-- theme, location, transportation, amenities, etc...

Good luck! :smokin:

MG
 
Thanks for your response Tim!
I must say that I was a bit disappointed by the response from the board. Maybe my post came out wrong? I know MOST people on this board go to WDW a ton, but the REST of the world considers it a huge expense. Just wanted to express that I know how fortunate we are to be able to afford the activity we enjoy as a family.
Whenever I'm lurking or posting on the resort boards, people are so helpful! But people do get flamed--or shunned in my case! Just never happened to me before!!

I'd like to get to WDW once a month if I could! But realistically, a timeshare could "force" us to use those points as much as possible. There always seems to be a different trip to plan, and making it back to Orlando gets pushed to the "next time". I grew up going every year, but my husband needs a bit more motivation. Once he is there, the pixie dust is all over him!

I have loved all the resorts we have stayed at, but have never done a "home away from home" stay. The convenience of the monorail and conceirge is well worth the cost when you are traveling with special needs kids. They don't handle the food courts well. That $200 cup of coffee can be priceless after a sleepless night and 2 kids melting down at 7 am for no apparent reason with the other whining because she just wants to get to the MK!

I was so excited when I heard that AKL was starting a DVC program. We got the brief SSR talk on our last trip, but that property just wasn't for us. I don't want to miss the new chance to buy into AKL, but I thought I would get info on peoples past experiences here that I wouldn't even know to ask a sales person.
I think the logical step for us would be to stay in a home-away resort, preferably AKV, and see if that type of vacation would be as enjoyable for us as the GF. In the meantime, I'd love to get an idea on how many points a new member would need to buy to enjoy 2.5 weeks/year in a 1 BR AKL. 200?300?400? Is it better to overbuy or underbuy points? How early do you need to reserve at your selected resort to get dates that may be high season? Is it better to go with a resale or with Disney and why? Would any of the DVC properties have more hotel-like amenities or access to club levels? What is the difference between club and conceirge anyway? Maybe I am using the term interchangeably when they are totally different. When can you actually begin staying at AKL DVC?


Well, thanks in advance. I appreciate your helpful advice. You can keep the whole $200 for your kindness!

Marlene
 

...(snip).........I think the logical step for us would be to stay in a home-away resort, preferably AKV, and see if that type of vacation would be as enjoyable for us as the GF.....
You might consider renting a 1 bedroom reservation at AKV from a DVC member for one of your next trips. Nothing like trying it out for yourselves to see if it will fit your family. If you go this route, start by reading all of the "Sticky" threads at the top of the Rent/Trade Forum. Then do a search on renting and read as many of the threads that come up as you can.
...(snip)...In the meantime, I'd love to get an idea on how many points a new member would need to buy to enjoy 2.5 weeks/year in a 1 BR AKL. 200?300?400? ...(snip).......Marlene
At the top of this forum is a link to the DVC Point Charts. If you haven't already, take some time to look at them, and you'll soon get an idea of what it "costs" at the different DVC Resorts( in points) for the times you are likely to travel. The link doesn't yet include the AKV charts, though. Here's a link for that:

Animal Kingdom Point Chart


Good luck with your research!
 
Thanks Carol!

It was supposed to be a private response and thanks to Tim, but I sure am grateful for the information, especially the AKL points link-which I had looked for. I wonder if I will be able to rent a DVC at AKL as it is so new. I am sure that the owners will want first visits! I just would love to get in at the beginning for that resort. Hard to know what to do!

Thanks again!
Marlene
 
Thanks for your response Tim!
I must say that I was a bit disappointed by the response from the board. Maybe my post came out wrong? I know MOST people on this board go to WDW a ton, but the REST of the world considers it a huge expense. Just wanted to express that I know how fortunate we are to be able to afford the activity we enjoy as a family.
Whenever I'm lurking or posting on the resort boards, people are so helpful! But people do get flamed--or shunned in my case! Just never happened to me before!!

I'd like to get to WDW once a month if I could! But realistically, a timeshare could "force" us to use those points as much as possible. There always seems to be a different trip to plan, and making it back to Orlando gets pushed to the "next time". I grew up going every year, but my husband needs a bit more motivation. Once he is there, the pixie dust is all over him!

I have loved all the resorts we have stayed at, but have never done a "home away from home" stay. The convenience of the monorail and conceirge is well worth the cost when you are traveling with special needs kids. They don't handle the food courts well. That $200 cup of coffee can be priceless after a sleepless night and 2 kids melting down at 7 am for no apparent reason with the other whining because she just wants to get to the MK!

I was so excited when I heard that AKL was starting a DVC program. We got the brief SSR talk on our last trip, but that property just wasn't for us. I don't want to miss the new chance to buy into AKL, but I thought I would get info on peoples past experiences here that I wouldn't even know to ask a sales person.
I think the logical step for us would be to stay in a home-away resort, preferably AKV, and see if that type of vacation would be as enjoyable for us as the GF. In the meantime, I'd love to get an idea on how many points a new member would need to buy to enjoy 2.5 weeks/year in a 1 BR AKL. 200?300?400? Is it better to overbuy or underbuy points? How early do you need to reserve at your selected resort to get dates that may be high season? Is it better to go with a resale or with Disney and why? Would any of the DVC properties have more hotel-like amenities or access to club levels? What is the difference between club and conceirge anyway? Maybe I am using the term interchangeably when they are totally different. When can you actually begin staying at AKL DVC?


Well, thanks in advance. I appreciate your helpful advice. You can keep the whole $200 for your kindness!

Marlene

Wow. You posted less than 24 hrs ago, on a holiday weekend, yet somehow this translates to "being shunned"? :confused3

BTW, much of what you asked here has been addressed in great detail and can be found with a few simple searches on this board while you wait for some responses. The advice you have been given so far with the limited posts is good: you will get much varied (and conflicting) "advice" on the "best" resorts and it will really help you get a better "feel" by visiting the resorts in person. "Home" resort can become important if you are particular about which resort you book and you book in a (DVC) busy season (can sometimes vary from WDW busiest times). In the busiest seasons, you may well need to book 11 months out to best ensure you chances of getting exactly what you want. There is always a possibility you can luck in to an "impossible" reservation at 7 months or less, but you certainly will not be able to count on it.

I agree you should try a stay first, either by renting points or booking direct through Disney (more expensive, but easier - and arguably a little safer - than renting points). If that $200 cup of coffee is "priceless", a more home-like setting where you can brew a whole pot of coffee at a time (along with a number of other advantages such as more room, full kitchen, whirlpool bath, in-room laundry machines, etc) might suit your situation well. However, you have raised other issues such as concierge service and monorail locations that might negate the advantages of a DVC stay for your situation, depending upon how high on your list of priorities those choices fall. IMO, staying at a DVC is really nothing like staying at a deluxe WDW resort. Not necessarily better or worse, just different. Riding the buses "everywhere" is the largest negative for us, and unless you rent a car that will be your only mode of transportation from AKV. We like being able to walk to a park, which is an option with both BW and BCV DVCs (and to DTD with SSR).

As to the number of points needed, I would suggest you download Caskbill's free program, DVC-Planner (http://web.nalu.net/~wneth/dvcplanner.htm). Many more-experienced people can make suggestions re: the "best" number of points, but you know your situation best - playing around with potential configurations (dates, resorts, room preferences, etc) will give you a "feel" for what might work.

Under- or over- buying would be a personal choice, and obviously buying the "right" number is best but not always possible. Would you be willing to rent out your excess points, or give them away? There are a myriad of possibilities for each scenario. Remember you can add on in increments as small as 25 pts (50 if financing) on short notice directly through Disney should you find you need more points on a regular basis.

Gathering opinions can certainly help, and many of us have done so. However, ultimately only you can decide what is best for your situation and IMHO your posts include some conflicting priorities that makes it difficult for a reader to give much concrete advice re: the "best" DVC and/or "best" number of points for your family.
 
I think that if you are accustomed to staying on the monorail you may not be happy with DVC. (until CR has a DVC....) VWL has the boat to the MK, but the rooms are not nearly as nice as at the Deluxe resorts. I think that if money is not really an issue, I would just keep on doing what your doing and stay GF concierge. The poly concierge is really nice too. I would stay at the poly every time if I could.

Good luck with your decision!

Andrea
 
If you're unable to get an AKV rental that works for you, have you considered "investing" in one more pre-DVC trip to AKL CL? This way, you'll certainly be able to judge if the location is good for your family, and also if the Concierge is really necessary vs. having that same light breakfast in a villa. (I'm not sure if DVC still "credits" someone for any $ towards a DVC purchase while on a trip; it was done a while ago, but I don't know how that program works)

We did buy an AKV add-on and I am hoping to get a CL reservation at least once over many, many trips, but aside from the setting (which we love), we're interested in the opportunity to do either a sunrise or sunset safari, not the light food offerings. I find that it's much easier having a "continental" breakfast in our villa without having to get ourselves dressed and "public-ready" :laughing:.
 
I think that if you are accustomed to staying on the monorail you may not be happy with DVC. (until CR has a DVC....)

I think it depends on the reason that OP sees the monorail as a big advanatage. When I see people state that they like the convenience of the monorail because they have small children, I usually translate that to mean:

1. We spend most of our time at the MK because it has the most for kids to do, and

2. The monorail simplifies the travel process since you don't have to fold up the stroller and it's a very quick way of reaching that one park.

So, I guess that's my bias. OPs kids will be out of stroller age in a couple more years and will discover more and more to enjoy at the other parks as time goes on. As a transportation option, the benefits of the monorail are largely overblown, IMO. Getting to and from MK is great. But even to Epcot it's speed is questionable. I've taken trips which required that monorail switch at the TTC which CLEARLY could have been made quicker on busses. Even if the monorail is quicker, we're talking about maybe 5 minutes each way--not exactly a bundle of time.

And then you've got two more theme parks, two water parks and Downtown Disney that can only be reached by bus from either option.

So, I guess it depends on why OP sees the monorail as being a big convenience item.

VWL has the boat to the MK, but the rooms are not nearly as nice as at the Deluxe resorts.

Just to clarify, the above statement applies to the WL only. After the recent refurb the VWL villas are not as modern as the WL cash rooms. The new AKV rooms are being constructed with the most modern furnishings, just like those used in the refurbs at the Contemporary, WL, Poly, etc.
 
Hi Marlene. I just read your post and went to check the points chart on the members site for the estimated times you like to go to WDW. I checked for a 1br and 2 br but the concierge points allocation is not up yet. In August you could safely estimate a week stay at 200 points in a 1 br. and in November around 180 in the same (roughly, at least because concierge is a bit higher in points.) I would say that if you decide to buy DVC, consider between 400 or 500 points because that would be plenty and since cost is not a factor. You could then choose banking and borrowing to fit your needs better. Those points were calculated at AKL. I know that the concierge rooms are supposed to be few and far between and agree with others that if it is a must, you might want to consider holding off until you at least try the DVC resorts that you're interested in.

On a side note, I was a counselor in a residential setting for 9 years for adults with autism, intermittent explosive disorder and more. I can totally understand your need for certain things that concierge would offer in a deluxe resort, but I also think that after trying out the villas, you may enjoy your full kitchen, the added room and whirlpool tub at the end of the day. You can even grab a DVD for the kids to enjoy in the living room! If the monorail is still a must, I echo what others say about holding off for your purchase. Have you tried the bus at all? I can imagine that when it gets crowded, it could possibly cause over stimulation for your children if they are affected by large crowds. Please understand I'm not saying any of this in a bad way. I just know what sort of things I had to do to adjust to some of the adults I had the pleasure of working with. One man went to WDW with his boyscout troop and he did very well (we were afraid of how he would deal with all of the excitement) but he hated the bus because it was too crowded and loud for his needs. His autism is so severe that he can barely speak and cannot write his own name but can draw a bathroom in perfect perspective. Also keep in mind that due to the lack of family contact some of the people I worked with had, their situations were slightly more severe than those of people who had supportive families like yours :hug:! I believe that you know your family's needs best anyway but I just wanted to list what I think is a good amount of points.
 
Thanks for your response Tim!
I must say that I was a bit disappointed by the response from the board. Maybe my post came out wrong? I know MOST people on this board go to WDW a ton, but the REST of the world considers it a huge expense. Just wanted to express that I know how fortunate we are to be able to afford the activity we enjoy as a family.
Whenever I'm lurking or posting on the resort boards, people are so helpful! But people do get flamed--or shunned in my case! Just never happened to me before!!

I'd like to get to WDW once a month if I could! But realistically, a timeshare could "force" us to use those points as much as possible. There always seems to be a different trip to plan, and making it back to Orlando gets pushed to the "next time". I grew up going every year, but my husband needs a bit more motivation. Once he is there, the pixie dust is all over him!

I have loved all the resorts we have stayed at, but have never done a "home away from home" stay. The convenience of the monorail and conceirge is well worth the cost when you are traveling with special needs kids. They don't handle the food courts well. That $200 cup of coffee can be priceless after a sleepless night and 2 kids melting down at 7 am for no apparent reason with the other whining because she just wants to get to the MK!

I was so excited when I heard that AKL was starting a DVC program. We got the brief SSR talk on our last trip, but that property just wasn't for us. I don't want to miss the new chance to buy into AKL, but I thought I would get info on peoples past experiences here that I wouldn't even know to ask a sales person.
I think the logical step for us would be to stay in a home-away resort, preferably AKV, and see if that type of vacation would be as enjoyable for us as the GF. In the meantime, I'd love to get an idea on how many points a new member would need to buy to enjoy 2.5 weeks/year in a 1 BR AKL. 200?300?400? Is it better to overbuy or underbuy points? How early do you need to reserve at your selected resort to get dates that may be high season? Is it better to go with a resale or with Disney and why? Would any of the DVC properties have more hotel-like amenities or access to club levels? What is the difference between club and conceirge anyway? Maybe I am using the term interchangeably when they are totally different. When can you actually begin staying at AKL DVC?


Well, thanks in advance. I appreciate your helpful advice. You can keep the whole $200 for your kindness!

Marlene
I'm totally blown away by this post. I'm not sure what I said that would make you upset with me?? I do know that I took the time at 2:00 in the morning to try and answer your questions, and somehow you think I'm giving you a hard time?? :confused:

My point is simply that you've come to the right place. There are many seasoned Disney people here, with lots of good advice about the different resorts.

From someone who has stayed concierge level many times, including GF RPC, I thought I could pass along that this service is not all that necessary at a DVC resort.
And yes, the extra $200/night doesn't get you much more than free coffee and turndown service.
-- I don't say that sarcastically, as I'm one of the folks that routinely pay the $200.

I ask that you re-read my post, noticing a warm greeting and wishing you well. I just don't see where I came across as a bad guy... :smokin:

MG
 
i thought your response was very nice Gracey. sometimes things in writing can be misinterpreted.
 
no matter where you buy just don't buy a large number of pts in 1 contract.
Since it's your first contract through Disney you need to buy 160 pts min. If you go resale you can get any number you want. If you need 300 pts at AKV I personally would buy 2 contracts (one for 160 pts and one for 140 pts) then if you need more just add-on. Reason for smaller contracts is they are easier to sell if you decide to let one go. You cannot break up contracts to sell just some of the pts.:cool1:
 
I think it depends on the reason that OP sees the monorail as a big advanatage. When I see people state that they like the convenience of the monorail because they have small children, I usually translate that to mean:

1. We spend most of our time at the MK because it has the most for kids to do, and

2. The monorail simplifies the travel process since you don't have to fold up the stroller and it's a very quick way of reaching that one park.

...

It's mostly # 2 for us, but it also took "forever" to get to and from MGM from the Contemporary via bus, hence a "bad taste" for bus transport. After the first couple of monorail trips to MK from CR, we walked instead - we got there in half the time and 1/3 the hassle. I agree it is time consuming if you need to travel through the TTC via the monorail.

I also think there should be a #3: taking the monorail to the resorts (as opposed to buses) is a bit of an "elitist" feel for some.
 
I go 2 to 3 times a year... 1 BR averages around 250 points... but if you go high season (thanksgiving, xmas) could go into more.....

Currently, 160 points is around 15K. So you can see how this adds up. Plus $5 / year (rounded up) on maintenance, with increases each year.

My suggestion is:

1. Buy points in 100 increments, so can sell off easily or transfer to kids.

2. Download casbil's point tool with the dates you're interested, the room size, and time of year, to see what you think you need point wise.

From Bills signature:
Download Caskbill's free DVC-Planner program (version 2.01 released 3/16/07), DVC-Chart program (version 2.0 released 3/7/2007) , or pre-release (version 1.75) for the upcoming DVC-Tracker program.

For more information about these programs, go to ..... Caskbill.com

Off the cuff, I think you could use upward of 500-600 points, easily.

Happy Memorial Day! Goldi
 











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