Oh yea - COASTER WARS IN ORLANDO !!!

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Someone on another thread here said smart businesses build during a recession.

He's RIGHT - look at these two new ones scheduled to open this summer! Add construction of Harry Potter - Disney is going to have some new competition.

Oh yea



By Mark Albright, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, April 23, 2009

Universal Studios Florida has stalled the opening of its Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit a few months until the summer for what is shaping up as a coaster war with Manta, Florida's first "flying coaster" that opens May 22 at SeaWorld.

Universal was mum about the exact reasons for the delay, but detailed the first-of-its-kind features in its unusual German-designed thrill ride.

"It's the most sophisticated coaster we've ever created," said spokesman Tom Schroder. "So we want to be sure we get it right."

With attendance slumping through the spring, all Central Florida theme parks are pulling out discounts and counting on new attractions to draw more locals through a summer with fewer out-of-state vacationers.

The ride, with a top speed of 65 miles per hour, has 3,800 feet of track stretching from Universal's New York Street to the front gate and actually barrels through a hole in a building facade beyond it. The new pint-size, two-car, 12-passenger trains — called X-cars — are far more maneuverable than bigger coaster cousins and can flip, twist and turn in much less space.

The signature move is a non-inverted loop. That means the train runs around a 103-foot tall loop, starting on the inside of the curve, then twists 180 degrees on the way up and back down. The train soars over the top of the loop, so riders are never upside down, but are subjected to changes in centrifugal force.

The track also runs through a massive musical treble clef, flies over the ride queue at a 95-degree angle to the ground and does a spiraling negative-gravity roll that is designed to feel like a corkscrew without actually going upside down.

In a bit of one-upmanship with the Aerosmith soundtrack piped into cars at the Hollywood Rock 'n' Rollercoaster at Walt Disney World, Universal will offer riders a choice of 30 rock tunes for the experience. Each rider also will be offered a DVD recording of his or her personal experience on the ride set to music for a price not yet disclosed.

At SeaWorld, Manta is a steel coaster designed to look like a school of manta rays. Riders are suspended facedown in a prone position through multiple loops.



- wait - WE have the new pirates version of the Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique outside the Pirates of the Caribbean AND American Idol. Oh yea
 
Disney also has continued to adjust perks, like no package delivery to resort rooms (this has been gone a while) and Universal adds things like front of the line access for on-site guests.

I love Disney dearly, but the mouse needs to find its way back home to steal back the magic.
 
Disney's challenge is they have nothing really fabulous under construction in their parks. Yes, construction takes years ..... but then we would have years to get excited.

It's more and more obvious that Disney is riding on a reputation.

Wait until the generation of Harry Potter finds out there is a new park open for them!
 
Makes doing a split stay at US / WDW much more probale for a lot of people I bet. Disney has been living on its reputation for too long and now it's starting to show:sad2:
 

I have a friend who is a Cedar Point addict and he can't wait to try the new Universal Studios coaster. It's supposed to beat anything Cedar Point has. DH just announced it may be too wild for him....I think he will be standing with me and the white flag!
 
Someone on another thread here said smart businesses build during a recession.
Actually these coasters as well as the Harry Potter area at Universal were planned and started before the recession. Fortunately Universal and Sea World both decided to continue as planned instead of delaying the projects when the recession began! Disney on the other hand had nothing under way (except vacation club units) prior to the recession starting and they haven't planned or started anything since.

Before long Disney will not be a top place in Orlando to visit if they're not careful. :worship:
 
Why does WDW have to keep up with USO? Even after the new Rip Ride Rockit and Harry Potter land, USO still won't have 1/3 as many attractions, rides, shows, resorts or F&B outlets as WDW. As for SW, there is no comparison. USO has nowhere to go but expand. It would take another 20 years for them to catch up with WDW, and even then they would not have the movie material, characters and archives to bring in the children. USO is for teens and adults. They pride themselves on not having pixie dust. They shouldn't. That's why WDW is eons ahead of them in terms of revenue.

As for anyone wondering why Disney doesn't do more with their parks, they are, just not in WDW. They have committed $1.5b to DCA, which desperately needs it. WDW has enough of everything to satisfy a family of four for a week. The only reason we complain about it is because we are the dreamers who can think of a hundred rides, themes and lands we would like to see in WDW that Disney's budgets simply will never allow.

Is converting PI, rethemeing Spoodles, inserting a pirate's makeover, picnic in AK, and a few new DVCs the best Disney can do? Of course not. But they don't HAVE to do more.
 
Is converting PI, rethemeing Spoodles, inserting a pirate's makeover, picnic in AK, and a few new DVCs the best Disney can do? Of course not. But they don't HAVE to do more.
That would be better off doing nothing than doing some of these hokey additions! Most if not all of these are just a ploy to make money without adding anything to the visitor's experience. As a matter of fact several of them take away from the experience.

I don't think anyone really expects Disney to do a major expansion anytime soon but a few respectable tidbits annually and something major every couple of years would be nice! :yay:
 
I know some of you guys love the thrill rides and I'm glad for you that these will be built. As for me--I wouldn't even consider riding either of the two new ones. Heck, I don't even get on the ones thay have now!!
Build me some new Dark rides!!!!
 
Why does WDW have to keep up with USO? Even after the new Rip Ride Rockit and Harry Potter land, USO still won't have 1/3 as many attractions, rides, shows, resorts or F&B outlets as WDW. As for SW, there is no comparison. USO has nowhere to go but expand. It would take another 20 years for them to catch up with WDW, and even then they would not have the movie material, characters and archives to bring in the children. USO is for teens and adults. They pride themselves on not having pixie dust. They shouldn't. That's why WDW is eons ahead of them in terms of revenue.

As for anyone wondering why Disney doesn't do more with their parks, they are, just not in WDW. They have committed $1.5b to DCA, which desperately needs it. WDW has enough of everything to satisfy a family of four for a week. The only reason we complain about it is because we are the dreamers who can think of a hundred rides, themes and lands we would like to see in WDW that Disney's budgets simply will never allow.

Is converting PI, rethemeing Spoodles, inserting a pirate's makeover, picnic in AK, and a few new DVCs the best Disney can do? Of course not. But they don't HAVE to do more.

You'd make a good WDW exec, that's exactly what they're thinking, but it won't help them in the long run. The fact is that any Disney fan should hope that Universal DOES take lots of guests away from WDW so that Disney is forced to invest in lots of new attractions for ALL ages to enjoy.
 
You'd make a good WDW exec, that's exactly what they're thinking, but it won't help them in the long run. The fact is that any Disney fan should hope that Universal DOES take lots of guests away from WDW so that Disney is forced to invest in lots of new attractions for ALL ages to enjoy.

I am a WDW Exec... Executive P-I-T-A! :)

Actually, I agree with you. They should announce at least one large expansion or addition each year -- something to whet our appetites each season, even if the implementation itself takes a long time. I just tend to think we overlook their actual achievements, however small, i.e. the Space Mountain/TTA refurb or the Kidani Village opening. No matter how trite or insignificant they seem, they do amount to a new resort and a reason to ride an attraction again, no matter how old-school it may be.
 
I am a WDW Exec... Executive P-I-T-A! :)

Actually, I agree with you. They should announce at least one large expansion or addition each year -- something to whet our appetites each season, even if the implementation itself takes a long time. I just tend to think we overlook their actual achievements, however small, i.e. the Space Mountain/TTA refurb or the Kidani Village opening. No matter how trite or insignificant they seem, they do amount to a new resort and a reason to ride an attraction again, no matter how old-school it may be.

I'll wait until Space Mountain/TTA reopen before I make any judgements.
 
Actually these coasters as well as the Harry Potter area at Universal were planned and started before the recession. Fortunately Universal and Sea World both decided to continue as planned instead of delaying the projects when the recession began! Disney on the other hand had nothing under way (except vacation club units) prior to the recession starting and they haven't planned or started anything since.

Before long Disney will not be a top place in Orlando to visit if they're not careful. :worship:


Absolutely my point!
 
I am a WDW Exec... Executive P-I-T-A! :)

Actually, I agree with you. They should announce at least one large expansion or addition each year -- something to whet our appetites each season, even if the implementation itself takes a long time. I just tend to think we overlook their actual achievements, however small, i.e. the Space Mountain/TTA refurb or the Kidani Village opening. No matter how trite or insignificant they seem, they do amount to a new resort and a reason to ride an attraction again, no matter how old-school it may be.


Don't kid yourself.......most of us aren't that stupid. Kidani Village - DVC. That is your BIG CASH COW.

We are talking about keeping the parks clean and adding interest.

It is becoming stale.

You guys know the business too well to feed us the baloney about ---- wow, we are improving for your further enjoyment. DVC is your cash cow - THAT's why you are building.....to sell more timeshares --- $$$$$$$$.


in 2010 Universal is going to have a fresh new addition to their park that kids are going to be begging to see! Just how many of those Harry Potter books were sold Mr. Disney Executive? Just how many people saw all thos Harry Potter movies Mr. Disney Executive? Oh yea, you are a loud, high school float with bouncing teen-agers. OOOOOO let's go see THAT - not.

Next, you are going to have something to steal away the coaster addicts. I think you will be surprised how many people will be wandering away from Disney to checkout the NEW stuff....especially when they commercials hit the air.

Now take a look at their park passes - hummmmm.....EASY to go spend a couple of days there. Oh yea, front of the line by just staying there.....front of the line and a NEW COASTER.

Blow all the smoke you want........you are kidding only yourselves. The people who are spending the $$$ will be speaking with their wallets --- perhaps THAT is the only way to make you listen - when we take our $$$ elsewhere. What do you think abot that, Mr. Disney Executive......and at a time you can ill-afford the distraction.


Hey, maybe in the mean time you can come up with something else --- like, Bibidi Bobidi BIMBO - for your enjoyment and only $129.95, you too can dress up like a Disney Executive
 
Don't kid yourself.......most of us aren't that stupid. Kidani Village - DVC. That is your BIG CASH COW.

We are talking about keeping the parks clean and adding interest.

It is becoming stale.

You guys know the business too well to feed us the baloney about ---- wow, we are improving for your further enjoyment. DVC is your cash cow - THAT's why you are building.....to sell more timeshares --- $$$$$$$$.


in 2010 Universal is going to have a fresh new addition to their park that kids are going to be begging to see! Just how many of those Harry Potter books were sold Mr. Disney Executive? Just how many people saw all thos Harry Potter movies Mr. Disney Executive? Oh yea, you are a loud, high school float with bouncing teen-agers. OOOOOO let's go see THAT - not.

Next, you are going to have something to steal away the coaster addicts. I think you will be surprised how many people will be wandering away from Disney to checkout the NEW stuff....especially when they commercials hit the air.

Now take a look at their park passes - hummmmm.....EASY to go spend a couple of days there. Oh yea, front of the line by just staying there.....front of the line and a NEW COASTER.

Blow all the smoke you want........you are kidding only yourselves. The people who are spending the $$$ will be speaking with their wallets --- perhaps THAT is the only way to make you listen - when we take our $$$ elsewhere. What do you think abot that, Mr. Disney Executive......and at a time you can ill-afford the distraction.


Hey, maybe in the mean time you can come up with something else --- like, Bibidi Bobidi BIMBO - for your enjoyment and only $129.95, you too can dress up like a Disney Executive

The Harry Potter area is going to get stale fast.. The series is over and that will limit inspiration for new attractions. Plus, except for the niche and fan groups, even the movies aren't going to bring in the crowds as they did in the beginning. It should have been done earlier while the iron was hot.
 
[COLOR=""]They should announce at least one large expansion or addition each year -- something to whet our appetites each season, even if the implementation itself takes a long time. I just tend to think we overlook their actual achievements, however small, i.e. the Space Mountain/TTA refurb or the Kidani Village opening. No matter how trite or insignificant they seem, they do amount to a new resort and a reason to ride an attraction again, no matter how old-school it may be.[/QUOTE][/[/COLOR]


Please tell me you're kidding. You're equating Harry Potter Land and the new coaster, 2 items that make US a better and more interesting place to go with building a new DVC resort??? How does that make WDW more fun to go to?
 


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