Official "Castle" thread! Spoilers welcomed!

[NotUrsula]

I have a feeling it's going to be a very interesting show tonight. I do know that Martha & Jim will both be in the episode, and Alexis will need Rick for something.

Word is that Alexis is going to address the subject of the kidnapping, finally.

The folks that get to view episodes in advance were given copies minus the last few minutes of the episode, so obviously something big happens then. Some are predicating break up, some are predicating marriage proposals, some are even predicating a pregnancy.

There is simply no way that Marlowe is going to do two pregnancies in one season, so that is out, IMO. I'm sure that the "pregnancy" that will be discussed is Jenny's -- Kevin is going to go public with it.

Me? I keep going back and forth between break up (with a make up in the fall) or Kate proposing to Rick. I don't think they'd do a baby, but you never know! Marlowe did say that Season 6 is going to be "full of complications" so a baby would fit that bill. Or could Castle or Kate be sick?

The Canadian promo includes a scene with Kate discussing the offer with Gates, but it doesn't really give anything away. However, it *could* dawn on Kate that Gates would not be able to maintain plausible deniability if marriage is on the table; if they want to marry, either Kate leaves or Castle does. My own wild guess after seeing the previews is that perhaps they are going to use the summer as the cliffhanger: Kate takes a leave of absence from the NYPD in order to go to Quantico for training; leaving her final decision until the end of summer.

I've been thinking about costs, and what it would mean to relocate the show to DC. As we know from Bones, setting a show in DC means filming a LOT of establishing shots on location, because the architecture is so iconic. I can't see that being in the budget that ABC allots for Castle; they famously shoot it on a shoestring. If Kate does take the job (and my hunch is that she eventually will decide not to), then my bet is that she will be assigned to work in a NYC field office, primarily so that they don't have to spend a lot of money on a "relocation" -- location filming, new permanent sets, repainting all of the NYPD props, etc.

Naturally, if Kate leaves NYC for three months, she probably will give up her apartment or sublet it -- which of course, paves the way for moving in with Castle when she comes back.

PS: I just thought of an option that WOULD add an enormous number of "complications" -- a clandestine wedding. However, while I *can* see Kate going for getting married by a JP in the loft with only Jim, Martha, and Alexis present (and perhaps Dad?), I can't imagine Castle being able to successfully hide the truth for very long. (And that would go double if they actually eloped -- can you see them trying to hide a marriage from Alexis and their parents?)

Oh, well ... just a few hours now. I can't wait to see how badly I guessed, LOL!

 

[Missy1961]

Word is that Alexis is going to address the subject of the kidnapping, finally.



There is simply no way that Marlowe is going to do two pregnancies in one season, so that is out, IMO. I'm sure that the "pregnancy" that will be discussed is Jenny's -- Kevin is going to go public with it.



The Canadian promo includes a scene with Kate discussing the offer with Gates, but it doesn't really give anything away. However, it *could* dawn on Kate that Gates would not be able to maintain plausible deniability if marriage is on the table; if they want to marry, either Kate leaves or Castle does. My own wild guess after seeing the previews is that perhaps they are going to use the summer as the cliffhanger: Kate takes a leave of absence from the NYPD in order to go to Quantico for training; leaving her final decision until the end of summer.

I've been thinking about costs, and what it would mean to relocate the show to DC. As we know from Bones, setting a show in DC means filming a LOT of establishing shots on location, because the architecture is so iconic. I can't see that being in the budget that ABC allots for Castle; they famously shoot it on a shoestring. If Kate does take the job (and my hunch is that she eventually will decide not to), then my bet is that she will be assigned to work in a NYC field office, primarily so that they don't have to spend a lot of money on a "relocation" -- location filming, new permanent sets, repainting all of the NYPD props, etc.

Naturally, if Kate leaves NYC for three months, she probably will give up her apartment or sublet it -- which of course, paves the way for moving in with Castle when she comes back.

PS: I just thought of an option that WOULD add an enormous number of "complications" -- a clandestine wedding. However, while I *can* see Kate going for getting married by a JP in the loft with only Jim, Martha, and Alexis present (and perhaps Dad?), I can't imagine Castle being able to successfully hide the truth for very long. (And that would go double if they actually eloped -- can you see them trying to hide a marriage from Alexis and their parents?)

Oh, well ... just a few hours now. I can't wait to see how badly I guessed, LOL!

Well, the job in question is with the US Attorney General, thus the Dept. of Justice, not the FBI so there wouldn't be training at Quantico.

But there is almost no way she's taking this job - even if it meant working in NY. I doubt Marlowe wants to mess with success - we don't get to see Lainie all that much now, and if Kate isn't a cop anymore, we'd almost never see her. And the chemistry between Javi & Kevin, and the guys & Kate & Rick wouldn't be the same either.

I knew the stuff with Alexis & Rick was about the kidnapping. And I knew he wouldn't do a Kate/Rick baby yet.

I've thought on this some more -we'll know that the job is hers if she wants it. And we'll know she's seriously thinking about it. We won't know for sure what she's doing, and I really think the cliffhanger is going to be a proposal. Maybe Rick tells her he'll go to DC with her if she wants the job, and then propose. Then we''ll find out what she did next fall. Like we're all guessing, she won't take the job. (I don't think they'll have her quit or take a leave, especially after the one day resignation after Season 4) Then the engagement will be the complication. Alexis may be OK with them dating, but marriage may be a whole different thing for her. Does Martha continue to live with Rick, and thus Kate? Do Rick & Kate get another place to live? And the fact that he would probably want to pay for a new place but Kate wouldn't want him to and that could cause problems. I don't know about an elopement of a clandestine marriage (why would they keep it a secret?) but I bet they'll both assume the other wants a fancy wedding when all they both want is a simple ceremony with the 'family'- Martha, Alexis, Jim, the guys, Lainie, Jenny & the baby.

I just gave Marlowe & co. a whole lot of complications, free of charge.

 

[Missy1961]

I'm off to get ready........

 

[Missy1961]

Gonna take me a while to decide what I think about that.....

 

[NotUrsula]

Well, I was right about the pregnancy, so that's 1 for 3.

FWIW, nearly all LEO's who work for the US Dept. of Justice train at Marine Base Quantico at some point. While the DOJ training facility there it is most closely associated with FBI Academy, that isn't all that they do. They also train quite a few state, local, and even foreign LEO's, who participate in the Academy's advanced seminars. It is very likely that Kate would end up there for tactical training if she joins the DOJ, or even if she just moved to the Counterterrorism Bureau at NYPD.

Anyway, I ended up with a stomachache after watching this ep, because I'm 22 years on from the same sort of decision, and sometimes the "what if's?" still get to me. When I got married I torpedoed my career advancement prospects (b/c prestigious jobs in my field require frequent relocation, while DH's requires a license, which he holds in only a few states.) At the time I consoled myself that he had much higher earning prospects, which was true, and I also got a promise that we would relocate nearer to a coast, which has not happened, and at this point, probably never will. I've mostly made peace with my choice, but every now and again I meet someone who is where I once planned to be, and a little bubble of resentment will float up and perch on my shoulder for awhile.

So, while I think that she's all kinds of an irritating fool for being so dense and skittish, I understand why Beckett did what she did. She was sure that if she pushed Castle he would deflect and defend the status quo, so she opted not to risk it; and in her usual defensive posture did instead what her dad suspected she would do -- only this time, the tactic failed. She's the one up against the wall now, and Castle is not going to let her crawfish out easily. That line about scratching and clawing for every inch was very telling: he knows what he wants and he is now willing to do whatever it takes to get it. (It will be interesting to see if Beckett puts as much weight into a trusted parent's advice as Castle did.)

It's going to be a long summer with those words hovering in mid-air.(However, I did get a bit of a grin out of Marlowe and TEM *literally* leaving us hanging.)

And, because I'm feeling nostalgic, it seems apropos to quote Jimmy Webb:

The end has come and found us here
With our toys scattered all around us here
The puzzle that we never found an answer for
Still asks us, darlin', just what all the games were for
And here we stand, in a box of sand

Where's the playground, Susie?
You're the one who's supposed to know her way around
Where's the playground, Susie?
If I don't stay around?

The carousel has stopped us here
It twirled a time or two and then it dropped us here
And still you're not content with something about me
But what merry-go-round can you ride without me
To take your hand? How would you stand?

 

[lovesmurfs]

Well, I was right about the pregnancy, so that's 1 for 3.

FWIW, nearly all LEO's who work for the US Dept. of Justice train at Marine Base Quantico at some point. While the DOJ training facility there it is most closely associated with FBI Academy, that isn't all that they do. They also train quite a few state, local, and even foreign LEO's, who participate in the Academy's advanced seminars. It is very likely that Kate would end up there for tactical training if she joins the DOJ, or even if she just moved to the Counterterrorism Bureau at NYPD.

Anyway, I ended up with a stomachache after watching this ep, because I'm 22 years on from the same sort of decision, and sometimes the "what if's?" still get to me. When I got married I torpedoed my career advancement prospects (b/c prestigious jobs in my field require frequent relocation, while DH's requires a license, which he holds in only a few states.) At the time I consoled myself that he had much higher earning prospects, which was true, and I also got a promise that we would relocate nearer to a coast, which has not happened, and at this point, probably never will. I've mostly made peace with my choice, but every now and again I meet someone who is where I once planned to be, and a little bubble of resentment will float up and perch on my shoulder for awhile.

So, while I think that she's all kinds of an irritating fool for being so dense and skittish, I understand why Beckett did what she did. She was sure that if she pushed Castle he would deflect and defend the status quo, so she opted not to risk it; and in her usual defensive posture did instead what her dad suspected she would do -- only this time, the tactic failed. She's the one up against the wall now, and Castle is not going to let her crawfish out easily. That line about scratching and clawing for every inch was very telling: he knows what he wants and he is now willing to do whatever it takes to get it. (It will be interesting to see if Beckett puts as much weight into a trusted parent's advice as Castle did.)

It's going to be a long summer with those words hovering in mid-air.(However, I did get a bit of a grin out of Marlowe and TEM *literally* leaving us hanging.)

And, because I'm feeling nostalgic, it seems apropos to quote Jimmy Webb:

The end has come and found us here
With our toys scattered all around us here
The puzzle that we never found an answer for
Still asks us, darlin', just what all the games were for
And here we stand, in a box of sand

Where's the playground, Susie?
You're the one who's supposed to know her way around
Where's the playground, Susie?
If I don't stay around?

The carousel has stopped us here
It twirled a time or two and then it dropped us here
And still you're not content with something about me
But what merry-go-round can you ride without me
To take your hand? How would you stand?

Well, to totally hijack the thread, I felt the same way. I did something similar -- I was on track to be a school band director, but DH moved around so much that I had trouble keeping up with licensing. Each state we moved to, I just got the first job I could get, up until our last move 15 years ago. So now I'm 15 years in to an association management career, and he's job searching AGAIN (tenured university faculty let go because they're eliminating the department).

I'm having a lot of trouble now that he's looking, because unless he stays in Chicagoland or moves to NoVA/DC, I'm going to be in the same position I was in 15 years ago, looking for a career. And I make 1/3 more than he does.

Back to Castle, I LOVED Martha's sit down with him. It was one of the most mature discussions I can remember on the show with them.

Removing all of the technical/financial show issues, from a storyline point, if she does turn down the job, she will need to have some resolution of the career growth problems or it will become an infection through the show and their relationship.

When the computer lady was talking to Javier and Kevin, I had a brief thought that they were going to break-up, Kate was going to take the job and leave, and they would bring in a new person to take Kate's place on the show. VERY brief, very, very brief.

Gonna be a long summer.......

 

[NotUrsula]

Yes, I loved Martha's scene as well; Susan Sullivan nailed that. PJJ tweeted that the ep was about trust, but I would say that it was more about fear -- and how it can rule our lives and lead us to do things to our detriment if we don't face it.D

Last night as I was watching Kate struggle, I kept hearing a voiceover in my head of Castle's long speech back in "Knockout" -- when he accused her of using her mother's death as an excuse not to risk ever losing anyone again.

You know, thinking of Jimmy Webb made me think of another lyric of his, one that think is one of the most poignant lines ever written in a love song, and one that I think sums up how the character of Castle feels about Beckett. The line is, "And I need you more than want you, and I want you for all time." Castle simply cannot give up on her, no matter how badly he sometimes wants to, to save himself the pain that she keeps inadvertently inflicting out of fear. (You know, I've observed in the past that even though popular culture likes to insist that only women are romantic, my own experience tells me that men often love much more deeply than we do and for reasons that are not always the most obvious ones. I think that Marlowe taps into that very well.) Even though Castle KNOWS that being with her is always going to hurt on some level because she is an emotional cripple, he just cannot walk away.

OK, spoiler in the next paragraph:

Was I wrong in coming away with the impression that what Becket is really afraid of re: the job, is resenting Castle if she chooses NOT to take it in order to stay with him? It seems to me that in her mind, the question was rather black & white: "do I leave him to take the job on the task force?" or "do I continue to work with him at NYPD and pass up the job on the task force?". I didn't get the impression that she was leaving any room open in her mind for "Do we move to DC together so that I can stay with him AND take the job on the task force?" That remark to her Dad about the 5-year dance seemed to me to primarily reference WORKING with Castle, not so much being in love with him. It seems to me that what she is most afraid of in the end is what will happen to the rest of their relationship if they leave behind the working component of it. Will there still be any chemistry if they can't build theory and chase bad guys together? If you think about it, that is an argument in favor of her actually taking the DOJ job but staying romantically involved with Castle, so that she can find out once and for all if her fascination for Rick is real, or just a side-effect of the "dance". (Also, was that the most terror-stricken marriage proposal ever, or what? Fillion rather convincingly looked like he might be sick with the anxiety of worrying about getting a refusal.)

I was thinking earlier today about one fun "complication" that her working at DOJ could open the door for: having Beckett encounter Castle's Dad in a professional capacity. He's quite a wild card, and I don't think it was ever definitely established which branch of the Federal Govt. that he actually works for. There could be a lot of fun possibilities for his Dad to get in between Rick and Kate by turning up on the same case as Beckett in some capacity.
(As for Caskett being secretly married if Beckett stays at NYPD, the reason for that would be Gates: she can maintain plausible deniability about their intimate relationship so long as they don't get married, but once they start filing paperwork listing one another as legal next of kin, then that horse is out of the barn.)

PS: I wonder if the timing of the release of the new Nikki Heat novel could be a plot point in terms of the whole business of whether or not she takes/keeps the DOJ job. The notoriety of her "being" Nikki Heat could presumably cause problems in terms of being taken seriously as part of this special investigative team.

 

[Missy1961]

Well, I've had a few days to think that over....I wasn't shocked by the proposal as I had guessed that. Overall, it was a really good episode.

I loved:

Rick's scene with Martha. Love how she was the voice of reason.

Kate's scene with Jim. Love Jim Beckett, hope we get to see a little more of him in the future.

Loved Javi's reaction to Kevin thinking Kate was pregnant. And his complete turnaround when he found out that Jenny is pregnant.

I even liked the scene between Rick & Kate when he found the boarding pass. And that is the 3rd argument in her apartment during season finales. And now we understand why Rick said "the end of our relationship" in the promo - after she withheld the info about the job and the interview, I see what he meant.

loved the Rick/Alexis scenes. They are always great together, but those scenes really worked.

And of course, the scene on the swings. The proposal was a little bit too serious, but overall I really liked the scene.

I do think Beckett was going to take the job after she talked to her dad. But I think she had an epiphany while interrogating the suspect - she realized the work she does already is important, that she's great at it, and being in NY with her "family" is important to her too. I think she's learned to balance work & fun, because Rick helped her. (remember back in season 2 - Sucker Punch? she told him then he made her job more fun)

Now what do I think happens next? I don't know! If you asked me right after it was over, I would have thought she going to say no. But about 5 minutes later, I thought she might say "not now", then I thought she'd say yes. I lean toward "not now", and that she'll tell him we need to work on some stuff first. And she still could be the one who actually proposes sometime next year. Maybe. Ask me again in 5 minutes.......

 

[Missy1961]

By the way, I bought the Derrick Storm book, Storm Front, for my Kindle and read it last week. To me, it read like a mystery novel rather than a spy novel. It was pretty good, a fast read. And there were lots of familiar names in there. Derrick deals with: Timothy Demming, Wilhelm Sorenson (both of them in very interesting ways), Capt. Roy Montgomery (that was cool), and for fun - Nikki Heat and Jameson Rook. Not a bad story.

And the paperback of "Frozen Heat" is out. It has chapter 1 of "Deadly Heat" and that certainly whetted my appetite. I do hope they remember to include Eunice!

 

[NotUrsula]

I'm kind of leaning toward, "Rick, I ... wait -- how long have you had that?"

Seriously, I'm thinking that initially, she'll dodge the question a bit, but in his mood, he's going to insist on some kind of answer, so after a few minutes, she'll give him one, and I think that the answer is going to be that she will accept the ring but insist on a long engagement. (I seriously hope that they have the first scene of 6-1 in the can already, because it will be really hard to re-create the tension on their faces if they have to pick up right in the middle of that scene -- not to mention that the foliage in the park won't match if they wait until August to film it!)

I had a little fun going frame by frame through Kate's expressions during Rick's speech. At first she looked apologetic and nervous, then puzzled, then her lip started to quiver a bit when he got to "I've decided that I want more", then she was visibly gulping back tears when she ground out "I agree", and was about to go into stiff-upper-lip territory when he dropped, at which point she went to deer-in-headlights.

Based on her face when she sat down, I think that she was going to tell him that she was not going to DC, but then resolved to run away after all when he got to the "I want more" line -- until he floored her by taking that knee. I think that right at this frozen moment, she has no clue what the heck to do.

(PS: I have to say that I'm with Espo on the name thing, now that I've read Storm Front. Graham Cracker? Seriously? It's like James Bond names weren't silly enough, we had to go one better. Alas, poor Demming -- Castle *really* hates the poor guy, doesn't he? ((I'm going to love it if Kate teases Castle about what he did to Demming in the book.))

 

[Missy1961]

spoiler about the answer here:

http://tvline.com/2013/05/21/reveng...mail&utm_campaign=spoilerscastingsscoopsalert

 

[Missy1961]

Molly Quinn, Tamala Jones & Susan Sullivan talk:

http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Castle-cast-talks-season-5-finale-and-hopes-for-season-6-Video/9111448

 

[Missy1961]

TV Guide:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Castle-Arrow-Spoilers-1065969.aspx

 

[NotUrsula]

A few new quotes from Marlowe re. Season 6

http://cartermatt.com/63706/abcs-castle-season-6-spoilers-finally-good-news-for-lanie-esposito-fans/

 

[Missy1961]

I'm kind of leaning toward, "Rick, I ... wait -- how long have you had that?"

Seriously, I'm thinking that initially, she'll dodge the question a bit, but in his mood, he's going to insist on some kind of answer, so after a few minutes, she'll give him one, and I think that the answer is going to be that she will accept the ring but insist on a long engagement. (I seriously hope that they have the first scene of 6-1 in the can already, because it will be really hard to re-create the tension on their faces if they have to pick up right in the middle of that scene -- not to mention that the foliage in the park won't match if they wait until August to film it!)

I had a little fun going frame by frame through Kate's expressions during Rick's speech. At first she looked apologetic and nervous, then puzzled, then her lip started to quiver a bit when he got to "I've decided that I want more", then she was visibly gulping back tears when she ground out "I agree", and was about to go into stiff-upper-lip territory when he dropped, at which point she went to deer-in-headlights.

Based on her face when she sat down, I think that she was going to tell him that she was not going to DC, but then resolved to run away after all when he got to the "I want more" line -- until he floored her by taking that knee. I think that right at this frozen moment, she has no clue what the heck to do.

(PS: I have to say that I'm with Espo on the name thing, now that I've read Storm Front. Graham Cracker? Seriously? It's like James Bond names weren't silly enough, we had to go one better. Alas, poor Demming -- Castle *really* hates the poor guy, doesn't he? ((I'm going to love it if Kate teases Castle about what he did to Demming in the book.))

Yeah, when I rewatched it I had fun watching Kate's face. Lots of fun.

Of course, it's possible that they filmed the answer already. But if they didn't I don't think too many fans are going to be looking at the foliage. I know I won't. If the answer is yes, I doubt I'd even notice, LOL. And part of me thinks they may not even show us the immediate answer - if the answer is yes, they'll show it, but otherwise they may not. I thought Molly Quinn had a fun way to open season 6 - showing Castle making breakfast, so you're not sure if it's for him & Alexis or him alone or him & Kate.

And as for a secret wedding, I've always felt that they had a way out of the no partner dating rule - he's not an official member of the NYPD - he doesn't get paid and he signed all kinds of waivers way back when. They knew Gates didn't like him (she had booted him out when Kate was recovering from being shot) so they figured she'd use the rule against him if she had a chance. And now they know that she's known for a while (I think she's known from the beginning) and she let him stay.

It should be interesting no matter what!

 

[Missy1961]

top 10 scenes YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTig9vtTSiM&feature=em-subs_digest

 

[Missy1961]

No episode airing tonight on ABC. They will be showing "Swan Song" on Saturday, June 1 at 10 PM. They did the repeat thing on Saturdays the last few summers, and even a few times this year. There are also a few episodes on TNT today from 8 - 11 PM.

 

[snykymom]

I hope they at least get past the NY-DC nonsense.

1) Lots of people do it. It's amazingly easy to traverse the Northeast Corridor.
2) Rick is a writer. And rich. He can live anywhere. Heck, he can live in both places if he wants to.

Or is it just that they won't be working on cases together?

 

[Missy1961]

I hope they at least get past the NY-DC nonsense.

1) Lots of people do it. It's amazingly easy to traverse the Northeast Corridor.
2) Rick is a writer. And rich. He can live anywhere. Heck, he can live in both places if he wants to.

Or is it just that they won't be working on cases together?

Well, when he proposed he did say 'whatever you decide", in other words, he'd go to DC with her. Because that wasn't his problem with her interviewing for the job - it was that she didn't tell him anything. And he does have his insecurities too. Think about it- he knows that a big part of the thrill for them is solving cases together. Building theory turns them on. If they don't have that, he's worried that they'll fall apart. And that worries her too - she told her dad that she was scared that all they had was the chase, and now that was over, what does that mean for their relationship?

But I have never felt that she was taking the job - it would change the show too much. There is no way you move Ryan & Espo too. And the show is really about relationships - not the murders. It's about the Castle/Beckett relationship, the relationship between Rick & his mom, Rick & Alexis, Beckett & the guys, the guys & Rick. And now we can throw in Gates & her relationship with Kate & even her relationship with Rick. The cast works very well together - there is almost no way they are breaking them up. I even feel that if Kate & Rick ever broke up, it wouldn't be permanent.

 

[Missy1961]

cute YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMyuOfmDr0