Off Site visit to Disney, why bother?

[Granny square]

This! Disney is a business- they can give whatever incentives they want to onsite guests and exclude them from offsite guests and people will either keep going or stop going. I'm ok with onsite guests getting more for how ridiculously much more they pay- but just be open about it so we can make a fully informed decision when we book. I guess we just unfortunately booked in a weird time of transition where they don't know cause its a bit of a mess and they're not sure when all the kinks will be worked out.

I agree. We booked offsite for the entire trip for the first time in 8 years.

As said, we usually stay onsite. Id never suggest that I should get fp and screw the offsite people. That isn't the way I roll.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Nobody knows what Disney may do in the future. What they have planned for the next year may not be what is in place in the next two years.

My point was simply that nobody seems opposed to Disney charging for fastpass + for those that don't stay onsite or upcharging for it to get more fastpasses when in the past it was a main reason that people hated Universal.

I highly doubt Disney is going to change something like that *after* they've made official statements on it. (As in charging for FP+ after saying it'll be included)

As for being upset about them charging for FP+? I don't like it any more for WDW than I did for Universal. I don't think I'm alone in that either.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I had a couple more thoughts about this whole thing but, honestly it isn't worth it. Folks are reading only what they want to believe and ignoring everything else. We could talk about spilling food on the carpet and no one would notice because their minds are made up and they don't want to get confused with facts.

Don't feel sorry for those that "didn't know" about FP+ because it isn't even implemented yet in anything other then "test" format. If Disney is willing to ignore thousands of offsite "guests" in complete favor of onsite "guests". I cannot stop them or control their actions. I will wait and see what actually happens not what Debbie Downer thinks or Foreve R. Optimist thinks. It will be what it will be and then we must make a choice of whether we will pay the long price (if necessary) to get to enjoy the parks (not me, ever) or not go at all. (me, quite sure of that). I think we should all do what works for us!

To those that feel that onsite should get significant benefits from the extra they pay, I understand, but, it's the ambiance that you are paying for.That's the same reason that people will pay $5.00 for a beer in a bar instead of 60 cents for one at home. If you need the ambiance, that's what you're paying for. You don't have to drive, you get (at least for now) extra hours in the parks and ambiance up the ying yang. I get to see the "Welcome to Walt Disney World" entrance sign every single day AND drink my 60 cent beer. So there!

But please, can't we just wait to see what actually does happen before we get overly critical or overly jubilant about it? I would say more but I appear to have run out of "quotation marks (see) so I must stop for now. I have a new supply coming in any day now.

So far I have not seen much ion the way of facts, only distorted opinion and *THE SKY IS FALLING* statements.

No where has Disney done or stated that off site guests were going to be neglected. In fact the last statement I heard about was that they have not as yet issues what the FP+ will be for the off site guests.

Granted more hard information would be good, but as the off site guest are such a big part of Disney's income there is NO reason to believe they wont be treated fairly.

I also consider it rude to imply that many people are not paying attention just because they don't agree with your and Postal 68 opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are, they are and even I am.

When we go in May I'll judge for myself and report good or bad.

AKK

 

[Postal68]

I have not read through this entire thread but it seems to me that the "pro" offsite crowd makes the point for FP+ being limited to onsite guests.

Shouldn't the people willing to pay the premium to stay onsite (of which I am one) get an additional incentive?

If I am overpaying for the room, food and convenience, I think I should be allowed some perks offsite guests are not.

Why? The off site guests are paying the same exact price as you for admission to the Park. Why shouldn't they get the same value for the price they are paying. In the long run this could = class action suit

 

[PeterPanic]

So far I have not seen much ion the way of facts, only distorted opinion and *THE SKY IS FALLING* statements.

No where has Disney done or stated that off site guests were going to be neglected. In fact the last statement I heard about was that they have not as yet issues what the FP+ will be for the off site guests.

Granted more hard information would be good, but as the off site guest are such a big part of Disney's income there is NO reason to believe they wont be treated fairly.

I also consider it rude to imply that many people are not paying attention just because they don't agree with your and Postal 68 opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are, they are and even I am.

When we go in May I'll judge for myself and report good or bad.

AKK

I believe that if you check it out you will see that this is exactly what I have been saying. The only statement of fact that I have made has been that FP+ is in test mode right now. And that is fact. Everything else I have said is just my opinion. To re-establish it, I don't believe that the sky is falling and I have as you have quoted said that I think we should all wait and see what is going to happen before we react to it too much. That's probably what I meant by not reading.

When it comes to how I feel about onsite vs. offsite, my opinions about that are based on my experiences having done both on and off (mostly off) and what happened, what I spent, what my experience was like. What I have experienced is factual, at least in my life, and anyone is free to agree or not agree with wanting to experience the same thing. I just don't want a list of why I shouldn't bother to stay off-site. When that happens I feel compelled to offer a list of why I should stay off-site. Anyway, enough of this conversation for me for the time being.

 

[Granny square]

Why? The off site guests are paying the same exact price as you for admission to the Park. Why shouldn't they get the same value for the price they are paying. In the long run this could = class action suit

Yeah! Just like they did at universal!! No wait they must not have figured that one out yet.

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

Why? The off site guests are paying the same exact price as you for admission to the Park. Why shouldn't they get the same value for the price they are paying. In the long run this could = class action suit

Hardly. As someone else mentioned, Universal has been doing this for years. Disney can structure park access and perks any way they want.
I was in Guest Relations last week and heard a very incensed guest lamenting that they could not ride Toy Story Mania because FPs were out. Not true. She could have stood in the standby line and gotten on.

I have never been to Universal because I refuse to pay an additional fee for "fast pass". When we do eventually go, we will spend the night in a Universal hotel that offers it though. That is a choice I make as the consumer.

Again, I was just there for 10 days. FPs are available. The world is not ending. Calm down.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Why? The off site guests are paying the same exact price as you for admission to the Park. Why shouldn't they get the same value for the price they are paying. In the long run this could = class action suit

Please explain legal foundation for class action and why it is not done at the thousands of venues, hotel and parks around the country already?

Plainly this comment is just a *wow them* statement without any foundation or legal standing.

AKK

 

[Postal68]

Please explain legal foundation for class action and why it is not done at the thousands of venues, hotel and parks around the country already?

Plainly this comment is just a *wow them* statement without any foundation or legal standing.

AKK

 

[ArwenMarie]

Hardly. As someone else mentioned, Universal has been doing this for years. Disney can structure park access and perks any way they want.
I was in Guest Relations last week and heard a very incensed guest lamenting that they could not ride Toy Story Mania because FPs were out. Not true. She could have stood in the standby line and gotten on.

I have never been to Universal because I refuse to pay an additional fee for "fast pass". When we do eventually go, we will spend the night in a Universal hotel that offers it though. That is a choice I make as the consumer.

Again, I was just there for 10 days. FPs are available. The world is not ending. Calm down.

This is a good point and if you read the FAQs on FP, the word "Standby" is all over them.

 

[Tamiami]

So what? They will still be in WDW and you will be sitting home waiting to go. I think we should feel sorry for you, not them. They'll be fine.

Thank you for that, I'm adopting this attitude for when we go Christmas week. And you are correct, it's kinda like: 'The worst day at Disney is still better than the best day at work!' (Can I get a t-shirt or a bumper sticker that says that? Maybe I should trademark that......lol)

 

[Postal68]

I was in Guest Relations last week and heard a very incensed guest lamenting that they could not ride Toy Story Mania because FPs were out. Not true. She could have stood in the standby line and gotten on.
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Yes, you are correct, you can still ride every ride, including the E Tickets, in the stand by line. That is if you don't mind standing in line for 2 plus hours while the attraction is fed by people using all of the FP that are gone and which now makes stand by lines move at a snails pace.

 

[Granny square]

Yes, you are correct, you can still ride every ride, including the E Tickets, in the stand by line. That is if you don't mind standing in line for 2 plus hours while the attraction is fed by people using all of the FP that are gone and which now makes stand by lines move at a snails pace.

Or ride first thing in the am. We waited 12 minutes last trip.

 

[dwheaton]

I have never been to Universal because I refuse to pay an additional fee for "fast pass". When we do eventually go, we will spend the night in a Universal hotel that offers it though. That is a choice I make as the consumer.

From my experiences with Universal, the lines are short enough during most times of the year that the Express Pass isn't needed. It's obviously a big help during the busiest times, but the waits are shorter than Disney during the off-season. We went in 2012 and had walk-ons for everything, even Harry Potter. So comparing it to the Fastpass system isn't really a direct one.