Observations from a Dad of twin 3 year olds who just came back.

Papa Deuce

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1. NEVER, EVER, include an in-law you don't like, and doesn't like you, to stay with you no matter how much your spouse wants to.... Seriosuly don't do it. I did and it mostly ruined my stay.

2. When it is hot --- over 90 --- like it was when I was there last week, realize that if you have kids under 5, they will be wiped out from the heat. Count on short days at the park, or at best, 2 short sessions daily. My kids were 3 and really did not do well at Disney on most days, primarily due to heat.

3. Yes, you will buy Disney souveineers, but realize that you pay a whole heck of a lot more for them on a Disney property, than you will off Disney property. For example, a cashier told me that the Alladin DVD was $24.99 at Disney. I paid $15.99 at Best Buy.

4. Don't do too many character meals IMO. Overpriced, and the kids start to take them for granted.

5. I, personally, hated the Hoop De Doo thing, but my kids absolutley loved it. A true highlight for them. However, be aware that the menu was VERY limited --- fried chicken, ribs, salad, baked beans ( terrible IMO ), and beverages. Only beer was Bud. Not vey much for real little ones to eat. In fact my kids don't eat ANY of what they served. Fortunately our waiter went to the buffet next door and got them some french fries.

6. Sometimes your kids surprise you. My kids went to Blizzard Beach and rode the water slides all by themselves. I never thought that at age 3 they could handle that, but they handled it extremely well.

7. Stay away from the supermarket at "The Marketplace" on 192, just below rt. 545. They were about 50% more expensive than they should have been. I went just a little further west on 192 and found a Publix ( brand new, it seems ) with normal prices.

8. If you want Pizza, I would try Giordanno's at the marketplace. We tried their famous stuffed pizza..... but be aware that it take 40 minutes to cook one. YIKES!

9. You can never be sure what will upset you little ones. We went to "It's Tough to be a Bug" and it freaked both of my kids out. But we went to Mickey's Philharmagic and they both loved it. Similar style shows.

10. Here is a cool way to see fireworks. We ate dinner at the Grand Floridian and then just rode the boat all night that boarded from down at Nicosee's.

11. Not all "buffets" are created equal. The Disney Princess breakfast at EPCOT was really just unlimited amounts of potatoes, eggs, sausage and bacon, served in a huge frying pan. On the other hand, the dinner at Crystal Palace, with all the Pooh characters, had a true buffet, with tons of choices. BTW the meal with Pooh was a lot of fun. All the kids had a parade with Pooh, Eyore, Piglet.... after dinner and it was really fun to watch.

12. Take as much video and as many photos as you want to, but don't let it get in the way of having fun.

13. I don't care what Disney says about Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party having a limited number of tickets sold..... this place was JAM PACKED! By far and away the busiest of any park we visited during our 10 day trip. I was really looking forward to this but the crowded conditions took away a lot of the fun. And even my wife, who really enjoyed almost the entire trip, thought that the parade was a weak effort.

14. Disney has some great employees. ( and some not so great ). But when one of the ladies giving out candy at MNSSHP found out that my one daughter doesn't like chocolate, she went and found something at another ladies area and brought it back to my daughter. Very nice, and very appreicated by me.

15. At EPCOT, the only things my daughters really enjoyed was the boat ride Mexico, and making the masks at the different countries.

16. I am certainly glad we rented a house rather than staying on site. It was great to get into your own pool at midnight after the kids went to bed. Plus it was FAR CHEAPER. $775 a week. And only 9 minutes to Disney if traffic was light. And because you can eat some home cooked meals that saved a lot of money too.

17. They say October is a "slow" season..... you can't prove it by me! Most rides had 25 minute waits without fast pass. I saw some with a 40 minute wait.

18. The Dumbo ride is the biggest waste of time.... My wife waited for 25 - 30 minutes and I think the ride lasted less than 2 minutes. Still, my kids loved it. Yours probably will too.

19. If you can, disregard thinking about finances. What I mean is, with little ones, like my 3 year old twins, you can't expect to get "value" from the cost of your tickets. You won't be able to do everything you want them to do, let alone anything you think you might enjoy ( from an adult's perspective ). For instance, I hardly did anything at EPCOT, including Mission Space, one of the things I really wanted to do. We didn't do Tower of Terror at MGM. No Space Mountain...... we focused on trying to let the kids have fun at the expense of our doing what we wanted. At the end of the day you realize that you didn't do very much considering the price of admission.

20. Please, I beg of you, with all my heart..... re-read point number 1!

Overall we had a good time. My kids definitely enjoyed much of DW. And I don't think that they will be forgetting it any time soon. But from a "bang for buck" perspective, Disney with real young kids is very disappointing.
 
I second your point #1! And some in laws, even if you DO like them, have totally different touring and parenting styles which can ruin your trip!

I love my sister-in-law, but will never go on vacation with her again because she doesn't 'watch' her kids. It's left up to those around her to reprimand them...and that's NOT MY job! Never again...not even a shopping trip to Walmart.
 
Just wanted to point out that by staying offsite, you cut yourself off from early entry at MK. If you had been able to take advantage of it, your points 17 & 18 might not have been big issues. We have always been able to do every ride in Fantasyland in less than an hour during EE, and even get FP for a second ride on the real faves before breaking for lunch. Staying onsite makes that mid-day break very easy, and we ALWAYS break the day in two parts with young ones in the party.

Offsite in a house has advantages, no question. However, I have found that with babies &/or preschoolers in tow, the specific advantages of staying onsite outweigh all else. We tried staying offsite on a brief trip this past August, now that DS is 7. By the end of the first evening, DH was swearing that we are never staying offsite again until DS gets too cool for Fantasyland.

It might just be that I always take boys, but Epcot has been a highlight for years. Missing the dinosaurs and the splash fountains, not to mention Test Track and Figment, would be a major disappointment for our kid, and his cousins, too. Innoventions and Ice Station Cool are also must-do's. They have never been interested in the masks or the Mexico ride, but they LOVE the viking ship playground at Norway.

Not that it helps with 3 yo, but once your kids hit age 4, one of the best things I can advise is to use one of the kids' clubs and go to an E-nite without them. You can ride all of the "mountains" to your heart's content, and at night, when they are at their best.
 
Thanks for the tips----sorry that your IL ruined it a bit for you. I've learned it is better to take trips w/just my family---especially at Disney---there are too many I want to go here - there and everywhere and forget about that. People can get very grouchy in hot weather too!! LOL!!!

We are heading there next month w/our twins that will be 22 months old and older sons---15 & 18. This will be my 12th time there---so I know which rides we want to go on and then skip--though it will be different w/the little ones---but I can't wait to see their faces light up as I think they will love seeing the characters---we took them to Sesame Street Live and they LOVED seeing all the characters.

We are staying onsite---though we thought of renting a house offsite (you save so much) but we just love staying inside the park and the older boys can take the buses - that way when the girls need to take their naps - we don't have to worry about dragging the boys w/us.

I'm thinking we might do Crystal Palace for breakfast. I have heard very good things about that.

CONGRATS on your twins----I know they are 3 now but isn't life so fun and crazy w/twins??? :teeth:
 

Welcome Back! I'm glad you enjoyed your trip (minus the In-Laws!) and I hope that your next trip will give you a whole other perspective of life at Disney without In-Laws.

Thanks for the tips, we'll keep them in mind on our trip in 3(!) weeks.
 
RE: Point #19....
I have to disagree...it certainly is possible to ride those type of thrill rides when you have young children in tow. You just need to be willing to accept the fact that if you are with only your DW/DH you will have to ride solo. The easiest way would be to get 2 fast passes and have the first person ride while the second takes the little ones to do something different. After the first is is done he/she meets up with the family and they switch with the second doing the ride and another meeting place picked. This truly is easiest done with cell phones/walkie talkies.

But I truly agree with your #1 point ;)
 
Originally posted by Simba's Girl
RE: Point #19....
I have to disagree...it certainly is possible to ride those type of thrill rides when you have young children in tow. You just need to be willing to accept the fact that if you are with only your DW/DH you will have to ride solo.

Sure, you CAN do those rides, but with the kids being able to only handle the heat for so long, we put all of our time into trying to make them happy. Plus it is hard leaving one person alone with 3 year olds who are being crushed from the heat.
 
Thanks for you insight. We like to go with just ourselves so we don't waste time waiting for people and doing things we don't want to do (yes, it's ok to be selfish on a WDW vacation). :teeth:

Our first trip to WDW ever was also when our twins were 3 (almost 4). Luckily they were 40 inches tall and loved rides to begin with so we were able to enjoy many rides together as a family. Those they were too small to ride DH and I did the swap for, such as ToT, RnRC, SM, etc...so at least we still got to enjoy them.

As the kids get older it's amazing how different the experiences get (ours turn 7 next week). We didn't bother much with Epcot early on because we didn't think there was much for them - we went at night and they slept in their strollers while we did WS and Illuminations. On our last trip, though, we all really enjoyed Epcot and can't wait to return again. They loved Spaceship Earth, Living With the Land, Test Track, Honey I Shrunk the Audience, Universe of Energy, and World Showcase. We love the Beatles and the kids know the songs (and have seen Beatlemania twice) so we were pleasantly surprised to come upon a British Invasion concert in England which we enjoyed despite the pouring rain. (We also enjoyed part of Starship concert later while we ate a snack). One of the highlights of that trip was seeing The American Adventure (I think that's what it's called - the film). We live near where the Pilgrims landed so we've always taught the kids about American History - they loved the show and so did we. We had Alladin all to ourselves in the back of Morocco. They were awake for Illuminations and loved that. I could go on but you get the picture.

I agree that staying onsite is extra Magical (see my Tag) and makes it so easy to return for a relaxing afternoon when the sun gets to be too much as well as get to the parks really early in the morning. It's kind of frustrating when the kids get as much enjoyment out of the cool Disney pools as they seem to in the parks, but after all, it's their vacation too. And if they're happy then Mom and Dad are too! princess:
 
Sure, you CAN do those rides, but with the kids being able to only handle the heat for so long, we put all of our time into trying to make them happy. Plus it is hard leaving one person alone with 3 year olds who are being crushed from the heat.

There are plenty of places in EPCOT that you can go and explore inside and escape from the heat...The Land, Innoventions, The Living Seas, Journey into Imagination, Mexico, China...etc. You don't have to wait at the ride exit.

I vote for The Living Seas...Like being in an aquarium and perfect for a 3yo.

Did you bring or rent a stroller?

I wish you had a better time...:sad2:
 
We went to "It's Tough to be a Bug" and it freaked both of my kids out. But we went to Mickey's Philharmagic and they both loved it. Similar style shows.

I can't say I am at all surprised at that - to me these shows are not remotely similiar - they may both be 3-D movies, but the content is completely different. ITTBAB and HISTA are all about taking you by surprise and making you jump, whereas Mickey's is just fun.
My nearly 7 year old won't be going anywhere near its tough to be a bug or honey I shrunk the kids, but she loves Mickeys Philharmagic and Muppets 3D.

Sorry to hear you didn't find it value for money - We don't get on many big rides either, but I still find Disney great value for money - I can't think of anywhere else that a 1 year old, 7 year old and 2 over 35s can all have a great time together.
 
Originally posted by Simba's Girl
There are plenty of places in EPCOT that you can go and explore inside and escape from the heat...The Land, Innoventions, The Living Seas, Journey into Imagination, Mexico, China...etc. You don't have to wait at the ride exit.

I vote for The Living Seas...Like being in an aquarium and perfect for a 3yo.

Did you bring or rent a stroller?

I wish you had a better time...:sad2:

Yes, we had two strollers. And we did have a good time in a lot of instances. I'm not complaining, just noting what I felt and reporting how we handled things.

One wife, 2 kids, 2 strollers, and the kids never wanted to walk ANYWHERE because of the heat. They wanted to ride in the strollers. That is tough for one person to do. At home they NEVER ride in strollers.

So that did make it tougher to ride the rides.

If I sound a little "GRUMPY", pun intended, I still am not dealing well with the whole father in law thing. If I could have eliminated his presence, I am sure that I would have had a MUCH BETTER TIME. Live and learn.

I have informed my wife that I will never spend another vacation day with him in the same house as I am. PERIOD.

OK.... One more thing. My kids and I loved downtown Disney, especially the Lego store. They played in and out of the store for about an hour.
 
I have to say the inlaw thing would have completely overshadowed anything else on my trip - I simply wouldn't consider taking a vacation with mine.
 
Papa Deuce-

We did the same thing as you when we went to DL in April. The trip was for DS (then 3 1/2). We have all been to DL many many times, but this time it was different because he was there. :)

I love the thrill rides but made the decision that this trip, I would folllow his lead and not worry about Indy, TOT, etc. I'm glad that I did that because experiencing Disney through his eyes was priceless.

NOW, having said all that...when we go to DL in December it will be a different story! Every man for himself!:teeth:

I want to ride California Screamin, TOT and Indy. Even if I have to ride by myself!:hyper: Woohoo! Look out for Mama!

When we went to WDW in '99, we stayed in a rental home and loved it for all the reasons you stated (except DS wasn't even a twinkle in our eyes yet ;) ).

AND, for what it's worth, I don't think my in-laws would ever want to travel with us ("you spend too much money on that kid"; "why do you want to go there AGAIN?"; "why don't we just stay by the airport, it's cheapest" - you get the picture)...so I guess I'm lucky in that way. ;)

Glad you had fun, though!:wave2:
 
I can't handle the heat at all. We have preschool aged children so we go the first week of Feb. My husband went on a lot of the thrill rides. I am sad that you missed out. Why didn't your in-laws help out with the kids so you could have more fun? I keep begging my husband to let my Mom come along but now I think that I will stop asking. He likes my Mom but he thinks that she is flakey. LOL. Hot weather and difficult in-laws will ruin any trip. It sounds like you were a good Dad/Husband taking one for the team.
Tara:wave2:
 
Thanks for the tips!! I agree with #1 too. We had a major discussion about this when we first planned and hubbie finally agrees. We all have different styles and ways of enjoying things! Better off done seperately! ;)
I learned my lesson about Dumbo the first time! I will never do that one again. The kids didn't enjoy it either, whew!! ::MinnieMo
 
Originally posted by Taratink
I can't handle the heat at all. We have preschool aged children so we go the first week of Feb. My husband went on a lot of the thrill rides. I am sad that you missed out. Why didn't your in-laws help out with the kids so you could have more fun? I keep begging my husband to let my Mom come along but now I think that I will stop asking. He likes my Mom but he thinks that she is flakey. LOL. Hot weather and difficult in-laws will ruin any trip. It sounds like you were a good Dad/Husband taking one for the team.
Tara:wave2:

I just have a father in law. He is 80 years old. Why didn't he help us? Here's a quick one: last year he left my 2 year old twins on an island in a parking lot while he went back to the car for something he forgot. I ran over to my kids.

When I asked him why he left my kids in the middle of a parking lot, he replied " I told them to stay".
 
OMG! As we age do we forget EVERYTHING? Even how quick little ones can be? Boy, aging stinks!

Being an 80 year old man, he probably had little to do with child care when his were small. Men didn't do as much with the kiddies way back when. I can see why you didn't leave the twins with him at Disney. Can you imagine having to find them in that huge, crowded place? That thought scares me!

I agree, taking in-laws isn't always a good idea. Heck, taking immediate family isn't always a good idea either.

My mother-in-law is 80 and very active, but I can't imagine taking her with us. DH has mentioned it several times, but she just wouldn't be able to keep up with me...and I don't want to miss a thing.
 
We did the same thing you did as far as rides for kids vs. adults. In MGM all we did was Playhouse Disney, Little Mermaid, and Rock n Rollercoaster. I felt like we didn't get much done, but oh well. It was hot, we were hungry and tired, so we ate and went back to the hotel.

We did manage to get a few rides in at MK though. DD LOVED the play area at Splash while we did the child swap. And we got Fast Pass for BTMRR and did that while DD ate a Mickey bar. :)
 


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