Obama's Speech

[eclectics]

But the BANKS are getting the bail-out! Not individuals. BIG CORPORATIONS!

Where's the responsibility there? I'm betting the bailouts over this mess will total hell of a lot more than the need based scholarships provided by the federal government for any one: white, black, brown, yellow, red, blue or polka-dotted. Wanna wager?

We learned absolutely nothing from the Savings & Loan collapses and the Enron style of irresponsibility. Absolutely nothing. The average Joe always ends up footing the bill.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Actually I've never been south on NYC. NYC tells me all I need to know about racism and affirmative action. I am just tired of 40 years of blacks blaming whitey for all their problems. How many years do they need before they start looking in the mirror? 40 isn't enough, 60, 80, 100 stop making excuses and start taking action.

So 40 years after the last slave was freed every person should have been doing what? Owning property in Manhattan? Becoming President of a major institution? Becoming mayor of a large city?

After all that's plenty of time to pick themselves up by their boostraps, right?

 

[DisneyMomx7]

Actually I've never been south on NYC. NYC tells me all I need to know about racism and affirmative action. I am just tired of 40 years of blacks blaming whitey for all their problems. How many years do they need before they start looking in the mirror? 40 isn't enough, 60, 80, 100 stop making excuses and start taking action.

Are you for real? Sorry, but if anyone ever sounded like a racist you fit the bill.

 

[mickman1962]

So 40 years after the last slave was freed every person should have been doing what? Owning property in Manhattan? Becoming President of a major institution? Becoming mayor of a large city?

After all that's plenty of time to pick themselves up by their boostraps, right?

Again, thanks for reinforcing my point, In the last (I'll give you 40, not the 140 years since slavery ended) millions of black people have made great lives/careers for themselves. It's about time that the other millions who have done nothing to improve their lives admit that it's their fault, not someone else's. They have had ample opportunity, what they haven't had is ample ambition.

 

[LohKee]

Actually I've never been south on NYC. NYC tells me all I need to know about racism and affirmative action. I am just tired of 40 years of blacks blaming whitey for all their problems. How many years do they need before they start looking in the mirror? 40 isn't enough, 60, 80, 100 stop making excuses and start taking action.

You need to come to the present and quite living in the pass. Where do you see all black people blaming others for anything. The problem is you lump everyone together which is wrong.

If you think all blacks are sitting at home waiting for a hand out then you're sadly mistaken and misguided. I'm not saying that there aren't lazy black people because there are. Just as there are lazy white people, lazy hispanics, lazy asians and the list goes on and on, but I don't think you want to see the truth.

 

[JPN4265]

Which Disney resort is your favorite? I like the GF and the WL the best. The GF in the summer, and the WL during the christmas season. Tell me which one you like best.

 

[LuvDuke]

Again, thanks for reinforcing my point, In the last (I'll give you 40, not the 140 years since slavery ended) millions of black people have made great lives/careers for themselves. It's about time that the other millions who have done nothing to improve their lives admit that it's their fault, not someone else's. They have had ample opportunity, what they haven't had is ample ambition.

I'd call this a wrap.

 

[LohKee]

Again, thanks for reinforcing my point, In the last (I'll give you 40, not the 140 years since slavery ended) millions of black people have made great lives/careers for themselves. It's about time that the other millions who have done nothing to improve their lives admit that it's their fault, not someone else's. They have had ample opportunity, what they haven't had is ample ambition.

So now you're saying you know for a fact that a million black people have done noting to improve their lives

I'm sorry but your so transparent

 

[WildernessBride]

Actually I've never been south on NYC. NYC tells me all I need to know about racism and affirmative action. I am just tired of 40 years of blacks blaming whitey for all their problems. How many years do they need before they start looking in the mirror? 40 isn't enough, 60, 80, 100 stop making excuses and start taking action.

Sad you must not have paid any attention in history class since you didn't get out of your part of the world much.

 

[mickman1962]

You need to come to the present and quite living in the pass. Where do you see all black people blaming others for anything. The problem is you lump everyone together which is wrong.

If you think all blacks are sitting at home waiting for a hand out then you're sadly mistaken and misguided. I'm not saying that there aren't lazy black people because there are. Just as there are lazy white people, lazy hispanics, lazy asians and the list goes on and on, but I don't think you want to see the truth.

Never said it was just blacks, I said minorities (and yes there are lazy people of every race but thanks for putting words in my mouth). Like I said before before, my wife teaches at an inner city high school, so yes I do hear about them blaming everything on everyone else. I'm not living in some cornfield in Iowa, I see and hear about it every day. I'm thinking you don't have to see it on a daily basis. I think you either don't have the opportunity to see the truth or you choose to ignore it.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

I have nooooooooooooo problem looking at racism anywhere. Obama hasn't said anything i did not already know (see posts at begininng of thread)

If I could i would severe ALL ties with racist family members. It just aint easy or in many cases possible to do. You are stuck with family, love em or not!

However ...racist Reverends...takes all of 2 minutes tops to walk out of that church, and never go back.

I have no problems talking about race relations at any time or place. In fact, I believe that we do need to talk about it. It's the only way to get it out into the open and try to solve the problems. If we don't talk about it, it's the same as putting a bandage over an infected wound using no medicine. the infection will just sit there and fester and spread.

If I were sitting in a church listening to a sermon and the pastor started saying racist remarks, I would immediately get up and walk out. And not unobtrusively either. Even if I were sitting on the outside row, I would make my way past those sitting beside me and go up the center aisle. It would not matter if I knew the pastor personally or if I'd been a member of the church for 20 years. I would make my objections known.

In my own family, I have heard and continue to hear racist comments. It is very well known in my family that I find that objectionable. I practically yell at my dad whenever I hear the N word spewed from his mouth. Unfortunately, I have to live with the man.

Sitting by and listening to a man preach hate of any kind from the pulpit is the same as advocating that hate. If you do not make a stand and do not say anything against that hate, then you are letting others think that it's OK.

I was going to vote for Obama. Now i'm in a dilemma as to who to vote for.
It would be one thing if he had come out after all of those hate filled sermons and immediately denounce them. But he never did. He sat by for 20 years and listened to that crap and never said one word about it. Not only him, but his wife. And he also subjected his children to it.

It's the same as advocating hate.

I cannot support a person running for president who sat by quietly for 20 years while his pastor spewed out hate from the pulpit. Actually, not even quietly. He openly supported this pastor.

I really want to know why so many people are afraid of Obama. He's been forthcoming with every criticism. What else do you want? He has handled every crisis in his campaign with dignity and in a diplomatic way. Makes me want to have him as president more than ever.

So what are you afraid of? Who cares what his pastor said? I sure don't care. So many right-wing ministers who are very involved in the republican party have said worse and no one seems to care. Even with the ones that McCain has hanging around, I have faith that he won't try and change the constitution into the Bible. I believe McCain is smarter than that.

Because of Obama's pastor's feelings, what do you believe Obama will do when he is president? I want to know. What on earth are you so afraid of?

I'm not in the least afraid of him or of what he might do. I'm afraid of the message it sends to everyone that it's OK to support someone who preaches hate to people.

I care about what his pastor of 20 years preaches from the pulpit because it's like saying that Obama advocated what he says. If he no longer had ties to his pastor or this church, or if would have denounced all the hate speaches by that man before now, then I wouldn't even be thinking twice about voting for him.

 

[mickman1962]

Sad you must not have paid any attention in history class since you didn't get out of your part of the world much.

What does history have to do with travel???? My favorite history prof at NYU never left NYC in his life. Are you saying you actually have to live history to know it? If so how was it like to be a slave? That is right, you don't know, just what you've studied. More people making my point. This is getting easy.

 

[chris1gill]

I care about what his pastor of 20 years preaches from the pulpit because it's like saying that Obama advocated what he says. If he no longer had ties to his pastor or this church, or if would have denounced all the hate speaches by that man before now, then I wouldn't even be thinking twice about voting for him.

He did denounce them, unequivocably... he said he heard controversial statements, that's far different than hate speeches. I find it ironic we combine 15 years of sermons on tape/audio into 4 sound bytes from 4 sermons... if there were more sermons than that, they'd have been out there too...

I've listened to other sermons by Wright where he isn't preaching hate of any kind, but self help and God's love.

I choose to judge Obama on what he has shown to us over the last 13 months on the trail, on his voting records for the last 10 years & the bills he has sponsored and passed... That's what I will base my vote on. The fact I will choose a candidate that can actually formulate a thought, a paragraph, a speech and then actually deliver it to the American People.

He's talking about self help for all races, black, white, immigrant of any other nation, none of that is bad, and none of his policy making has been in poor judgment.

 

[LohKee]

Never said it was just blacks, I said minorities (and yes there are lazy people of every race but thanks for putting words in my mouth). Like I said before before, my wife teaches at an inner city high school, so yes I do hear about them blaming everything on everyone else. I'm not living in some cornfield in Iowa, I see and hear about it every day. I'm thinking you don't have to see it on a daily basis. I think you either don't have the opportunity to see the truth or you choose to ignore it.

Oh I see the truth each and every day. I see people like you who want to continue the stereotyping of a whole race because of certain circumstances. I see a person who can't separate a slice of the pie from the whole because your theories are those ingrained probably from birth.

Btw, after learning of the bomb threats and other threats against Rev Wright's church have received over the past couple of days, am I to assume that you and the rest of white America are jumping on the white supremacist bandwagon?

No, I won't make that assumption because I know not all white people are like those who are calling in the Bomb Threats and making threats against his life.

I'm thankful that not all white people have your views.

 

[chobie]

I have no problems talking about race relations at any time or place. In fact, I believe that we do need to talk about it. It's the only way to get it out into the open and try to solve the problems. If we don't talk about it, it's the same as putting a bandage over an infected wound using no medicine. the infection will just sit there and fester and spread.

If I were sitting in a church listening to a sermon and the pastor started saying racist remarks, I would immediately get up and walk out. And not unobtrusively either. Even if I were sitting on the outside row, I would make my way past those sitting beside me and go up the center aisle. It would not matter if I knew the pastor personally or if I'd been a member of the church for 20 years. I would make my objections known.

In my own family, I have heard and continue to hear racist comments. It is very well known in my family that I find that objectionable. I practically yell at my dad whenever I hear the N word spewed from his mouth. Unfortunately, I have to live with the man.

Sitting by and listening to a man preach hate of any kind from the pulpit is the same as advocating that hate. If you do not make a stand and do not say anything against that hate, then you are letting others think that it's OK.

I was going to vote for Obama. Now i'm in a dilemma as to who to vote for.
It would be one thing if he had come out after all of those hate filled sermons and immediately denounce them. But he never did. He sat by for 20 years and listened to that crap and never said one word about it. Not only him, but his wife. And he also subjected his children to it.

It's the same as advocating hate.

I cannot support a person running for president who sat by quietly for 20 years while his pastor spewed out hate from the pulpit. Actually, not even quietly. He openly supported this pastor.



I'm not in the least afraid of him or of what he might do. I'm afraid of the message it sends to everyone that it's OK to support someone who preaches hate to people.

I care about what his pastor of 20 years preaches from the pulpit because it's like saying that Obama advocated what he says. If he no longer had ties to his pastor or this church, or if would have denounced all the hate speaches by that man before now, then I wouldn't even be thinking twice about voting for him.

You have no idea what Obama heard for 20 years, you have only heard those soundbites that Obama has repudiated.

 

[NewJersey]

You have no idea what Obama heard for 20 years, you have only heard those soundbites that Obama has repudiated.

I've never seen so many thumbs up in one thread before so I'll keep in tradition:



kool-aid

 

[mickman1962]

Oh I see the truth each and every day. I see people like you who want to continue the stereotyping of a whole race because of certain circumstances. I see a person who can't separate a slice of the pie from the whole because your theories are those ingrained probably from birth.

Btw, after learning of the bomb threats and other threats against Rev Wright's church have received over the past couple of days, am I to assume that you and the rest of white America are jumping on the white supremacist bandwagon?

No, I won't make that assumption because I know not all white people are like those who are calling in the Bomb Threats and making threats against his life.

I'm thankful that not all white people have your views.

FYI, I am not white, but thanks for the stereotyping. It only helps to prove my point. Again you people are making this easy.

 

[chobie]

FYI, I am not white, but thanks for the stereotyping. It only helps to prove my point. Again you people are making this easy.

So what are you then?

 

[Fitswimmer]

FYI, I am not white, but thanks for the stereotyping. It only helps to prove my point. Again you people are making this easy.

actually, I think you're making your positions quite clear without any help from anyone....

 

[LuvDuke]

You have no idea what Obama heard for 20 years, you have only heard those soundbites that Obama has repudiated.

And couldn't care less.