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[NewJersey]

The "swing state" argument is simply a lie. Obama can make states like Virginia and North Carolina into swing states, without losing states like Ohio as possible "blue" states at the same time. Why? Because even though Barack lost to Hillary in Ohio, he's going to be going head-to-head against a rabid "free trader" in the general election. They may have doubts about Obama's commitment to changing NAFTA - thanks to well planned and timed dirty tricks - but they should have no doubt that McCain won't even consider making any changes to it.

The simple fact is that Barack is emmanantly more electable than Hillary is. He brings an energized group of supporters with him that have historically not been involved much, and he doesn't generate sheer hatred from the right. Both of those things change when Hillary is the nominee (the notion that "the conservatives don't hate her" that one or two of her supporters keep pushing is laughable to anybody that paid attention during the Clinton presidency). She simply can't win, and I've been saying that for as long as her candidacy has been talked about (and well before I ever stated that she wouldn't get my vote).

One of the things that tipped me to Obama's side is what you just said. He is simply more electable and has the appeal of purple states, especially VA. I see so many Obama bumper stickers and signs up here in Northern VA. And Foster's win last night shows the strength of an Obama ticket.

 

[Honu]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...inton-says-joint-ticket-is-unstoppable-force/

Off the campaign wire: Obama says he won't be Clinton's VP

"Responding to speculation about a joint ticket, Barack Obama says he will not play second fiddle to Hillary Clinton.

Obama told KTVQ in Billings, Mont., Friday: “You won’t see me as a vice presidential candidate.”

“I’m running for president,” he told the television station. “We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count — but you know, what I’m really focused on right now, because all that stuff is premature, is winning this nomination and changing the country.”

(I think he needs to end all the speculation the Clintons are making in this area. Glad he made the statement. )

I'm glad he did that and I hope he continues to reinforce it. The plan of luring undecided voters to their side with the pretense that if they elect Hillary, they'll get Obama too is disgusting. Seriously, do people really want a president that peddles this kind of manipulative crap?

 

[arminnie]

when Hillary is the nominee (the notion that "the conservatives don't hate her" that one or two of her supporters keep pushing is laughable to anybody that paid attention during the Clinton presidency). She simply can't win, and I've been saying that for as long as her candidacy has been talked about (and well before I ever stated that she wouldn't get my vote).

The woman is despised by people from both the right and left because she is a despicable human being. She has absolutely no integrity and would do anything to have power. An intelligent person in power with no qualms about mundane things like honor and character is truly a dangerous prospect. The scary part is that she could win.

 

[wvrevy]

The woman is despised by people from both the right and left because she is a despicable human being. She has absolutely no integrity and would do anything to have power. An intelligent person in power with no qualms about mundane things like honor and character is truly a dangerous prospect. The scary part is that she could win.

The saddest part, however, is that I didn't used to believe the Republican line about how she would do anything for power. I've been very strongly dissuaded from that belief, however, during this campaign.

 

[Planogirl]

Laura, thanks very much. I do appreciate the comment. If you, or any other person wants to simply post on that board that I will not return there and try to either reinterpret or any other way respond to them, I would appreciate it.
While I do appreciate Hound coming over here to reach out to me,(and give him or her my appreciation) I am still very upset at their response. I should think by now my credentials are well enough established on many of these boards, and I should not have been subject to those attacks from people who are, basically, on the same side.
But, again, Laura, thanks.

Your credentials are certainly well established which is why my only comment was that I never thought that I would see such a post. I can see now why it was a misread by some people including myself. I'm sorry that you were attacked.

The problem the way I see it is that there are rabid supporters who perhaps go a bit too far on both threads. I still like both candidates but I'm leaning towards Hillary so I usually stay put on the Hillary thread because I can at least relate to the rabid Hillary supporters. Well at least most of the time... But it's hard, VERY hard to sort through the "he said she said" garbage and the "how can anyone support Hillary/Obama after she/he..." stuff. Somewhere buried in there are issues and I would assume that most people are way more interested in those than a lot of message board sniping.

Just my read on the situation. Now I'll quietly slink back to the Hillary thread and try not get upset when I read the Liberal thread. Seriously, good luck in the upcoming primaries!

 

[Planogirl]

One more thing....Wyoming does matter. As does each state including Florida and Michigan. Texas just matters more.

 

[VolleyballQt07]

WARNING WARNING ATTENTION ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS...

I am using dd's Id ( I am jme829...don 't ask long story)...I just posted a LONG note on the Hillary thread questioning the votes that don't supposedly matter, the koolaid crap, the "missed votes" and other random thoughts I had regarding this wonderful circus.

Just want to warn you, because I am sure a few of them will hunt me down over here...lol....I am the type to personally care less if I get a 'time out" on an internet message board. But I wanted you to all realize that if they come over here that I started it..LOL....I'm just sick and tired of all it wanted somewhere to post my thoughts (fears) regarding an HRC presidency.

Have a great day!!

 

[VolleyballQt07]

One more thing....Wyoming does matter. As does each state including Florida and Michigan. Texas just matters more.

Then lucky for us that Obama will get more delegates out of Texas

 

[chris1gill]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...inton-says-joint-ticket-is-unstoppable-force/

Off the campaign wire: Obama says he won't be Clinton's VP

"Responding to speculation about a joint ticket, Barack Obama says he will not play second fiddle to Hillary Clinton.

Obama told KTVQ in Billings, Mont., Friday: “You won’t see me as a vice presidential candidate.”

“I’m running for president,” he told the television station. “We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count — but you know, what I’m really focused on right now, because all that stuff is premature, is winning this nomination and changing the country.”

(I think he needs to end all the speculation the Clintons are making in this area. Glad he made the statement. )

Just want to mention, this got NO traction on the Sunday shows today... it was all about Bill's suggestion & Hillary's coyly toying with the idea in public... The pundits were saying it was probably an attempt at getting Obama supporters to vote for her while believing he will be on the ticket, since she has more "experience".. Maybe we should all send this information to the major networks! Let people know he's not taking any VP job & if they want him for President, they must vote for him in THIS primary...

 

[VolleyballQt07]

OMG There is a story on comcast.net that says that the girl in hillarys 3 a.m. commercial is actually an OBAMA supporter. Apaprently the clinton team bought the rights to the video which was shot when the girl was younger.. She is now of legal age, a HUGE Obama supporter and is looking at trying to be a delegate for him..Supposedly he contacted her about doing a counter ad...I'm not good at posting links but its right on the main page of comcast...

 

[Honu]

Just want to mention, this got NO traction on the Sunday shows today... it was all about Bill's suggestion & Hillary's coyly toying with the idea in public... The pundits were saying it was probably an attempt at getting Obama supporters to vote for her while believing he will be on the ticket, since she has more "experience".. Maybe we should all send this information to the major networks! Let people know he's not taking any VP job & if they want him for President, they must vote for him in THIS primary...

Speaking of morning shows, did you catch Rendell on MTP? He made such a fool of himself. Delegates and the popular vote don't matter. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Florida are the only states that count.

 

[chris1gill]

Speaking of morning shows, did you catch Rendell on MTP? He made such a fool of himself. Delegates and the popular vote don't matter. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Florida are the only states that count.

I missed MTP this morning, but this has been the theme all along... these 28 States that Obama has won do not count for one reason or another.

However, since you are from California you count I know that makes you feel better, I'm from a state that doesn't count, so that leaves me disenfranchised...

But, here's the link about the 3am girl, it's FUNNY... what irony...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4416390&page=1

 

[profdsny]

Speaking of morning shows, did you catch Rendell on MTP? He made such a fool of himself. Delegates and the popular vote don't matter. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Florida are the only states that count.

Well, since apparently my state won't count either, if she wins the nomination no sense in voting for her, since it won't count.

 

[eddad]

Well, since apparently my state won't count either, if she wins the nomination no sense in voting for her, since it won't count.

I'm just happy because my state counts, for like the first time ever.


Dang, Jenny,not ED

 

[chris1gill]

OK, I think I can post this. I moved From Massachusetts, which is apparently a State that matters where I would have voted for Obama to Vermont, a state that does not matter & I still voted for Obama.

So I'm looking at Ski reports today for mountains we are looking to go to since ours is no longer making snow & conditions aren't very good....

http://www.mountsnow.com/snowreport.html

This one's pretty far from Burlington, but look at the snow report for today... Now remember this State went OVERWHELMINGLY for Obama, so don't be offended! I thought it was hysterical.


===================================
Mount Snow website, West Dover, VT
Current Conditions and Weather (as of Sunday, March 9, 2008 )


Comments:

Have you seen Hillary Clinton’s ad about the 3am phone call? Here’s the Mount Snow version:

-phone ringing-
“It’s 3am and your children are safe and asleep. But there’s a phone in the Mount Snow Grooming Department office, and it is ringing. Something is happening out on the mountain. Who do you want to answer that phone? Someone who already knows the intricacies of perfect corduroy, someone tested and ready to lead in frozen granular conditions. It’s 3am and your children are safe and asleep – who do you want grooming your mountain?”

You want our boy Tommy. He may not have a sensible haircut and plans for universal health care, but Tommy has been grooming ski trails since Gerald Ford’s inauguration. And he does it well. Let’s not leave out Pitt and Ozzy, another seasoned duo with decades of grooming experience – they’ll be right out there with Tommy tonight, laying corduroy while you’re safe and asleep.

 

[NewJersey]

OMG There is a story on comcast.net that says that the girl in hillarys 3 a.m. commercial is actually an OBAMA supporter. Apaprently the clinton team bought the rights to the video which was shot when the girl was younger.. She is now of legal age, a HUGE Obama supporter and is looking at trying to be a delegate for him..Supposedly he contacted her about doing a counter ad...I'm not good at posting links but its right on the main page of comcast...

I didn't see that they want her to do a counter ad but I bet it would be fantastic!

 

[NewJersey]

Speaking of morning shows, did you catch Rendell on MTP? He made such a fool of himself. Delegates and the popular vote don't matter. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Florida are the only states that count.

That man is an idiot. He lost me when he said PA voters won't vote for a minority.

 

[chris1gill]

I didn't see that they want her to do a counter ad but I bet it would be fantastic!

She suggested to do a counter with Obama himself, she said she didn't know if they would do it or not, but she's been very active in her community for the last year...

I wonder who outed her in the first place, although looking at her picture, it's not hard to realize who she is....

 

[chris1gill]

That man is an idiot. He lost me when he said PA voters won't vote for a minority.

Yes, but he had a nicer way of saying it, it just flowed off the tongue like a daisy in Spring How people don't see what he is is just amazing to me.


Now, I'm not looking for answers, I'm just asking the question.... I wonder how many Obama supporters will write him in as President in the general, should he not get the nomination, my DH & I discussed this among other things this evening...

 

[chris1gill]

I'm just happy because my state counts, for like the first time ever.


Dang, Jenny,not ED

Jenny, I bow to your presence oh mighty one of one worthy great state You will represent us all well.... I hope!