Non - SSR owners..... I have a poll

[Muushka]

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The way many old-timers tell it, there has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth with the opening of every new DVC resort... and yet the SKY HAS NOT FALLEN -- not even with the addition of (gasp!) the non-WDW VB and HH resorts. Can't we just give this a rest?

Sheesh.

I agree Deep-thots

I guess I am an old-timer. Been on these boards a loooong time. Saw BWV open up. Gnashing of teeth. Saw VWL open up. Gnashing of teeth. Saw BCV open up. Gnashing of teeth. Now SSR opens up. Again, gnashing of teeth. Each new resort has had it's cross to bear. If it wasn't the teeny-tiny rooms, it was the looooooong hall ways, or the dark rooms, or the 'remoteness of the resort', or the high point schedule or the parking situation....blah blah blah.

SSR owners STAND FIRM AND DON"T SQUIRM! This too shall pass.

 

[jade1]

YOU HAVE PROVEN THE OP DID THE RIGHT THING.

"I don't understand what it is you're trying to say here (primarily because of some missed punctuation, I think. There are at least two different ways to read the above-quoted part of your post.)

What people like tjkraz and I are saying is that until five to seven years have passed (a timeframe that allows for SSR to be fully opened, completely sold out, and really "up and running"), you will not be able to assess its impact on DVC.

To adopt alarmist tendencies in the meantime seems counterproductive and foolish.

The way many old-timers tell it, there has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth with the opening of every new DVC resort... and yet the SKY HAS NOT FALLEN -- not even with the addition of (gasp!) the non-WDW VB and HH resorts. Can't we just give this a rest?

Sheesh."

If you read this quote from tjkraz:


"However you might perceive the system to be today has little bearing on how it will look in another 5 years or so. SSR is adding thousands of new members to the system--many of whom have never stayed at a DVC resort and wish to sample all or many of them before deciding on a favorite. This is clearly evidenced in the results of the poll cited where 65% of respondants indicated no strong resort preference."

You may understand what I am saying. I read this reply as over the next 5 years the larger resort (SSR) owners will be trying other smaller resorts to se which is their favorite. I beleive the OP (and many VWL owners) wanted to stay at VWL. tjkraz has CONFIRMED exactly why the OP did the right thing by purchasing VWL unless the OP has no interest in VWL until about 5 to 7 years from now. If you ask the OP, chances are the reply is they want VWL NOW, not in 5 years.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Just a friendly suggestion for Jade1 and others. When you choose to quote posts from other posters, please use the quote options available here so we can all see who was being quoted. It is difficult to tell from Jade's post which items are quotes and which are Jades'.

This has been a friendly service announcement from Diane...Carry on.

 

[lllovell]

Jade, I believe what happens is this.....

New owners (especially those of us that are buying into SSR now) are buying MANY more options than previous owners. Therefor, when hubby and I made the decision to buy in, we did it based on the knowledge that we will pretty much always be able to get SSR at high DVC demand times, but we can also try other resorts and enjoy different feeling vacations if we are traveling at times that are not as busy. So, we will try other resorts. As a matter of fact, our first trip home not that long ago was not to SSR but to OKW which was the only resort I had actually SEEN before we purchased at SSR and I knew hubby would like the style, so I decided for our first trip to go there. Then, while we were there on that trip, we stopped by SSR to check out Artist Pallet and the pool area, etc (which we had never really done, only toured the rooms AFTER purchasing) and honestly, I felt a tug already because I know I will love SSR. My sons love DTD and would spend an equal amount of time at Legoland and MK if we allowed it (which would suit me, if they had more shaded seating at Legoland lol).

So, over time, loyalities will develop. Some people will discover that SSR wasn't the best fit for them and you will see points on the resale market (lots there already - but again that is a trend when a resort first opens from buyers remorse, lives changing, etc.). Many people will become SSR fanatics and not want to stay any where else just like so many now are so very loyal to their "homes". I love that! I also love the fact that no matter what, unless I buy points, I cannot "take" a room from you before the 7 month window. Perhaps it will force people at the smaller resorts to plan a bit further out, but I think MOST of us already plan before that 7 month window hits anyway. As we all know, the standard view rooms poof long before the preferred view rooms which just proves to me that it is not "other resort owners" fighting for rooms there anyway. Almost all of those rooms are gone before that 7 month window opens and the rest of us might get lucky and get a waitlist room, or we might end up elsewhere. For many of us, this is not the end of the world.


I believe buying where you want to stay is good advice. I also think that it might have been more fun if Disney had split SSR into 2 or 3 different themed resorts offering more choices. They didn't and I am sure it was for financial reasons. Either way, there will be other new resorts as well and it will take a while, but loyalities will build there too. DVC is a growing enterprise and this cycle will hopefully keep happening so that there are plenty of vacation opportunities for all of us in the future.

So, you can worry about this or maybe you can simple make sure to book your vacations before the 7 month window if staying at your home means so much to you. The system is as close to fair as I can imagine. Would we have bought into SSR if we could only stay there or trade into the collections? Probably, but the initial attraction would not have been as good for us. The assumption that people are buying into SSR to get their foot in the door might be true for some, but that percentage is not anywhere close to the majority. Most SSR owners simply are buying in at a time when there ARE more options and we will take advantage for a while and then settle down with the one or two resorts we love if the pattern repeats itself. If it doesn't, then ummmm well - buy where YOU want to stay and you can always get in there before me anyway - so I don't see the problem here.

 

[gjw007]

Well, congratulations on purchasing DVC. Welcome home, as they say.

But I do wish that you and other -- how shall I put this -- I'm going to get slammed no matter how I put it, so it doesn't matter, I suppose -- "smaller resort owners" would just get over the SSR phobia.

Some of us actually bought SSR because we like it (we like the spa and the proxmimity to DTD) and because that's where we intend to stay a great majority of the time.

Despite its good intentions, the previously-mentioned poll regarding SSR offered very, very (mis)leading options (compare it to the options offered regarding the other resorts, for example), and, at so early a stage in a resort's roll-out, means remarkably little anyway.

We can argue about all of this until the cows come home, but we just won't know anything until about anything until about five to seven years down the road, now, will we?

At that time, perhaps, we can talk in an educated way about the impact that the giganto-monstrosity-anti-Disney-SSR (the BIG BAD WOLF) has had on the ultra-precious DVC. But until then, it's all just a bunch of hot air.

Flame away. I just don't care anymore.

Kim;

Well said. I have done polls on this board so what I have to say about polls apply to me as well as to others. First, we have to accept that the polls on this board don't necessarily reflect the overall view from DVC owners. It is a small sample. Second, they may not even represent the views of many members who view the boards but choose not to post or participate in a poll. Third, many polls lead to an answer even if it wasn't intended. Poll questions can be leading in how they are phrased in such a way that you wouldn't choose that answer. As an example, in one of polls about how long you were a DVC member, I left out a year and those who responded who had been members starting with that year had to choose another selection. Fourth, polls on this board should taken for fun not facts. They should be used to recognize differences that people choose. Life is much better with choices. Fifth, the implication on this board is that it is bad if you own at one of the largers resorts and wish to wish to choose other resorts to stay but it is okay if you belong to a smaller resort but trade into one of the larger resorts. Many people are defensive about their home resorts. A related thread is not to buy a timeshare in Orlando but buy from somewhere else to trade into a resort in Orlando. This may or may not be good advice depending on the situation. Sixth, the polls leave out the fact that DVC highlights the potential of staying at other resorts. It is part of the sales pitch. So if many SSR owners wish to stay at other resorts - Great! (Same is true of other DVC resort owners who wish to use the other DVC resorts).

An interesting aspect of all this is the various rumours of new resorts opening such as the Contemporary (for the life of me I can't see staying there but who knows). It will be interesting to see what happens if new resorts are open (perhaps California) and the comments on this board. Perhaps since it would be so far away, if it is a small unit (150 units or so), will those who purchase feel left out by the potential 90,000 DVC members who may wish to take a trip to Disneyland? Whatever you bought, enjoy.

 

[jade1]

Posted by lllovell:

"Jade, I believe what happens is this.....

New owners (especially those of us that are buying into SSR now) are buying MANY more options than previous owners. Therefor, when hubby and I made the decision to buy in, we did it based on the knowledge that we will pretty much always be able to get SSR at high DVC demand times, but we can also try other resorts and enjoy different feeling vacations if we are traveling at times that are not as busy. So, we will try other resorts. As a matter of fact, our first trip home not that long ago was not to SSR but to OKW which was the only resort I had actually SEEN before we purchased at SSR and I knew hubby would like the style, so I decided for our first trip to go there. Then, while we were there on that trip, we stopped by SSR to check out Artist Pallet and the pool area, etc (which we had never really done, only toured the rooms AFTER purchasing) and honestly, I felt a tug already because I know I will love SSR. My sons love DTD and would spend an equal amount of time at Legoland and MK if we allowed it (which would suit me, if they had more shaded seating at Legoland lol).

So, over time, loyalities will develop. Some people will discover that SSR wasn't the best fit for them and you will see points on the resale market (lots there already - but again that is a trend when a resort first opens from buyers remorse, lives changing, etc.). Many people will become SSR fanatics and not want to stay any where else just like so many now are so very loyal to their "homes". I love that! I also love the fact that no matter what, unless I buy points, I cannot "take" a room from you before the 7 month window. Perhaps it will force people at the smaller resorts to plan a bit further out, but I think MOST of us already plan before that 7 month window hits anyway. As we all know, the standard view rooms poof long before the preferred view rooms which just proves to me that it is not "other resort owners" fighting for rooms there anyway. Almost all of those rooms are gone before that 7 month window opens and the rest of us might get lucky and get a waitlist room, or we might end up elsewhere. For many of us, this is not the end of the world.


I believe buying where you want to stay is good advice. I also think that it might have been more fun if Disney had split SSR into 2 or 3 different themed resorts offering more choices. They didn't and I am sure it was for financial reasons. Either way, there will be other new resorts as well and it will take a while, but loyalities will build there too. DVC is a growing enterprise and this cycle will hopefully keep happening so that there are plenty of vacation opportunities for all of us in the future.

So, you can worry about this or maybe you can simple make sure to book your vacations before the 7 month window if staying at your home means so much to you. The system is as close to fair as I can imagine. Would we have bought into SSR if we could only stay there or trade into the collections? Probably, but the initial attraction would not have been as good for us. The assumption that people are buying into SSR to get their foot in the door might be true for some, but that percentage is not anywhere close to the majority. Most SSR owners simply are buying in at a time when there ARE more options and we will take advantage for a while and then settle down with the one or two resorts we love if the pattern repeats itself. If it doesn't, then ummmm well - buy where YOU want to stay and you can always get in there before me anyway - so I don't see the problem here."


Response by Jade1: Totaly agree, especially with the last 2 lines of your post: buy where you want to stay and you can get in there before me anyway-so I don't see a problem here. Exactly what the OP said and did.

 

[lllovell]

One good thing I can say to those of you worried about us SSRers, we are already "defending" our resort a good bit (along with our using other resorts, etc), so I think the loyality is already building.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

Here's what I don't understand: why do SSR owners constantly feel the need to defend their choice? It's nobody's business but your's as to where you bought and why. I know it's hard, but try not to take the bait. Just be happy that you own a DVC membership and make the most of it. BTW, I'm one of the evil OKW owners that bought with the intention of staying at every DVC resort (including SSR!).

 

[lllovell]

why?

WHY???

because I like to talk a lot and its an easy subject lol

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

Understood

 

[OneMoreTry]

As time passes, I think park proximity will become less and less important to many long time owners and the flexibility of the true home-away-from-home resorts and the beach resorts will become more important. GV's will become more popular as some of us become grandparents. So will a littlemore peace and quiet.

I know that BWV and BCV and VWL will always be very popular. They are great resorts. DIehards, resale buyers and point renters will keep the demand for them very high. But I think time will keep things balanced.

I'm excited to see what SSR looks like!! I would love to be within walking distance of DD. I never thought I'd go to Pleasure Island, but maybe I'd walk over from SSR.

 

[jade1]

Reply from OneMoreTry:

"As time passes, I think park proximity will become less and less important to many long time owners and the flexibility of the true home-away-from-home resorts and the beach resorts will become more important. GV's will become more popular as some of us become grandparents. So will a littlemore peace and quiet.

I know that BWV and BCV and VWL will always be very popular. They are great resorts. DIehards, resale buyers and point renters will keep the demand for them very high. But I think time will keep things balanced."

Reply by Jade1:

Are you secretly a Rep for Bonnet Creek? Thats exactly how they pitched it.

 

[BCVOwner2002]

Click here for the poll on SSR. Click here for the one about VWL. And here for BCV poll results. Click here For the BWV poll, and HERE for the OKW poll.

Diane,

Your link for BCV takes you to VWL.

Annmarie

 

[ColoradoBelle1]

Hi...I guess I didn't start posting til after every body gnashed their teeth.
The only reason I might not stay at SSR is cause it costs more points than OKW and BWV standard...and I like to conserve my points. I wonder if it doesn't get the same waitlist as other DVC resorts, if the points needed might drop a wee bit?

Yep, I do think that a lot of SSRers tend to be defensive ...that gnashing must have been rather ferocious ore there are a lot of defensive people on the DIS board. (Well, actually, I think there are a lot of defensive people on this board.)

I think that as long as every body is happy with where and what they have purchased...what does it matter? You say to MAYto and I say to MAH toe.
Or maybe I dont'

Maybe we all need a Kungaloosh.
BTW, what is IN a Kungaloosh?
And also, how do we quote posts and get that cute little blue box to appear?

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

And also, how do we quote posts and get that cute little blue box to appear?

Just like this!

Actually, all you have to do is click on the "Quote" button in the lower right hand corner of the post you want to quote. If you don't want all of it in your post, just delete the part you don't want.

 

[Deep-Thots]

Yep, I do think that a lot of SSRers tend to be defensive ...that gnashing must have been rather ferocious ore there are a lot of defensive people on the DIS board. (Well, actually, I think there are a lot of defensive people on this board.)


Maybe we all need a Kungaloosh.
BTW, what is IN a Kungaloosh?
And also, how do we quote posts and get that cute little blue box to appear?

I think people tend to be defensive about their home resorts in general (witness, for example, how up in arms some of the BCV owners got a couple of months ago as a result of the BCV-bashing that was happening at that time).

I do not consider myself to be defensive about SSR, though I certainly like it more than others appear to. What I dislike (and can kind of get frustrated about) are the alarmist/illogical approaches adopted by some posters.

I mean, if you are choosing which resort you want to be your home resort, and you just can't get past the fact that you love BCV, then by all means, purchase it: your decision is an emotional one, and I respect that that decision can be an emotional one.

But when we are discussing (and the you/we terms that I am using here do not refer to you specifically, 'belle1: they are generic!!), we must stick to facts and logic.

SSR isn't even sold out yet and there is oh-so-much wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding its impact on DVC reservations and the DVC system. In reality, of course, we have no idea what the impact of SSR will be, and won't have any idea for another five or so years.

Panic never really helped anyone. In fact, it has hurt a lot of people.

And 'belle1, I'd love a Kungaloosh, but since I'm getting over food poisoning as I type, I believe I ought to pass. Sigh.

 

[megrod74]

As an SSR owner who paid more than everyone else for her points, don't I deserve to stay at any resort I want?
J/K!

 

[tjkraz]

Yep, I do think that a lot of SSRers tend to be defensive ...that gnashing must have been rather ferocious ore there are a lot of defensive people on the DIS board. (Well, actually, I think there are a lot of defensive people on this board.)

By definition, a defensive posture is normally assumed in response to an offensive threat by an agressor.

It is perfectly within someone's right to come on this board and make a statement like "I hate Old Key West." But, it is also within my right (and everyone else's right) to offer an alternative POV.

What I often fail to understand is why the initial statement (right, wrong or opinion) is characterized as being acceptable, while a dissenting response (right, wrong or opinion) is characterized as being inappropriate or "defensive." Regardless of who spoke first, everyone here has an equal right to air their thoughts on the topic at hand, whether they agree with the original poster or not.

We are all just a sharing opinions, regardless of who got there first.

 

[DVCconvert]

We are all just a sharing opinions, regardless of who got there first.

I think we all need to have a group hug now....

 

[wtpclc]

Good point tjkraz. Maybe the problem is SSR owners aren't supposed to be on this thread anyway. So, not only are we dissenting opinions, we were requested to stay away to begin with.

"Non-SSR owners... I have a poll"

Never did like when the other kids excluded me.

Deep Thots - I tried to stay away and not get into this debate. However, I've just got to say thanks for saying what I wanted to sooo many times!