No TomKat wedding?

[SamRoc]

Yes Tom was smart financially to divorce Nicole Kidman right before their 10th anniversary. But Katie holmes has something that Nicole doesn't, a child with Tom Cruise. And even if they never get married, or don't sign the pre nup that Katies Dad wants, Tom Cruise will be financially responsible for this kid for the rest of its life, and thats something he can't weasle his way out of.

 

[SueM in MN]

Well, if you take away the "movie star" part...would you be thrilled that your 26 yo daughter is pregnant by a twice-divorced 44 yo man who has recently shown bizarre behavior?

I know that I would be a whole less than thrilled.

I am hoping that her family is successful in deprogramming her. With regard to the pre nup. Lets not forget what he did to Nicole. He filed for divorce just days before he would have had to pay Nicole a substantial sum of money. Their marriage ended just days before the 10 year anniversary.

And he filed for divorce just a few weeks after they had had a party and renweal of vows celebrating their 10th anniversary. His claim in the divorce was that the marriage had actually ended before the party (when they would not have been married for 10 years yet).
But, who has a big party and renews their vows, knowing that their marriage is ended and they plan to divorce? It didn't sound like Nicole did, but is sure sounds like Tom heard the 10 yr clock ticking and was planning to get out.

 

[dis ms.]

But Katie holmes has something that Nicole doesn't, a child with Tom Cruise.

Actually, Tom and Nicole have two children together. They adopted a son and daughter during their marriage.

 

[SueM in MN]

Yes Tom was smart financially to divorce Nicole Kidman right before their 10th anniversary. But Katie holmes has something that Nicole doesn't, a child with Tom Cruise. And even if they never get married, or don't sign the pre nup that Katies Dad wants, Tom Cruise will be financially responsible for this kid for the rest of its life, and thats something he can't weasle his way out of.

Nicole and Tom adopted 2 kids together and according to interviews she gave, she was pregnant when he filed for divorce, but later miscarried.

 

[dis ms.]

And he filed for divorce just a few weeks after they had had a party and renweal of vows celebrating their 10th anniversary. His claim in the divorce was that the marriage had actually ended before the party (when they would not have been married for 10 years yet).
But, who has a big party and renews their vows, knowing that their marriage is ended and they plan to divorce? It didn't sound like Nicole did, but is sure sounds like Tom heard the 10 yr clock ticking and was planning to get out.

ITA! Although, I think Tom did Nicole a favor. She came off looking very sympathic and her career really skyrocketed after their split.

 

[SueM in MN]

ITA! Although, I think Tom did Nicole a favor. She came off looking very sympathic and her career really skyrocketed after their split.

I agree with you there.
he came off as pretty weird - especially when he was asked why they were getting divorced and said "Nic knows."
She was asked and said she had no idea, but would try to remain civil for the children's sake. She ended up very likeable and sympathetic. He ended up looking vindictive, petty and a word you don't usually associate with men that begins with a "b" and ends with an "h".

 

[In a hurry]

That would make one heck of a custody battle if they broke up. He is, IMHO, a nutcase, and she will be tied to him forever, now.

 

[dis ms.]

That would make one heck of a custody battle if they broke up. He is, IMHO, a nutcase, and she will be tied to him forever, now.

Yep.

I actually wonder what possessed Katie to get involved with him. He is attractive, but the way he treated Nicole, the fact that he's been divorced twice, is considerably older AND is into Scientology, would make me run in the opposite direction.

Do you suppose Katie sometimes wonders if she's making a mistake with this whole relationship? Especially in light of his recent odd behavior (odd being an understatement). Maybe she feels as if she's too far into it now, so she's stuck.

 

[Imzadi]

He family are devout Catholics and her dad is pissed at Tom. I read that at one point when they were dating, TC "promised" they wouldn't have a baby before they got married. This conversation was supossedly reported by Katie's dad.

Well, where is Katie's responsibility in all this? She's the one who ended up doing the invitro - er - turkey baster - er, I mean, didn't use birth control.

ITA! Although, I think Tom did Nicole a favor. She came off looking very sympathic and her career really skyrocketed after their split.

Her career skyrocketed because all that heartbreak really opened up her acting. She was always a bit of an ice princess, emotionally remote. But since her divorce & being emotionally ripped open, she has really brought that emotion and vulnerability to her acting. Kudos to her. She was fantastic in "Cold Mountain."

 

[Mom2be]

Good God - Dawn and I agree on something else.

People really need to start paying attention to Scientology because I whole heartily agree that it is a very large and scary cult. My cousin recently attended a professor who was speaking about Scientology at Washington University. He had joined the "religion" and spent a lot of time and research. He says that Scientology has all the signs of being a classic cult culture. And they are far more powerful then we all realize. They have bought their way out of alot of trouble, including with the IRS. He actually said that he wasn't able to divulge much of what he learned because of the risk of being sued. What religion do you know sues over prior members telling about the churches culture?

~Amanda

 

[stinkerbelle]

I actually wonder what possessed Katie to get involved with him. He is attractive, but the way he treated Nicole, the fact that he's been divorced twice, is considerably older AND is into Scientology, would make me run in the opposite direction.

She's enthralled with him.

She watched "Risky Business" (example) and fell in love with him when she was a young teen...an infatuation if you may.

She just happened to be an actress who somehow got on his radar later in life...and I think she felt "omg...he wants to be with ME..."

a crush that turned true...

 

[dis ms.]

Well, where is Katie's responsibility in all this? She's the one who ended up doing the invitro - er - turkey baster - er, I mean, didn't use birth control.

Um, gross...but, ITA! She has to accept the consequences of her actions. She's an adult, for crying out loud!

 

[Linnie The Pooh]

Yep.

I actually wonder what possessed Katie to get involved with him. He is attractive, but the way he treated Nicole, the fact that he's been divorced twice, is considerably older AND is into Scientology, would make me run in the opposite direction.

I remember reading somewhere that said she idolized TC when she was a kid and had his posters up in her room. Maybe her interest was kind of a throwback to that-she worshiped him when she was a kid and when he showed interest in her it took her back to those feelings. Pretty heady stuff-a movie star you adored shows interest in you and he shows interest in you.

Yes, run Katie run!!

Sometimes when you get into a relationship so deep it's hard to work yourself out-especially when a baby is involved. If it were me, I would hope my dad would help me out as best he can. Even though she is 26 and is an adult, she is still his daughter. Being a parent never ends no matter how old your kids get. I would do the same for my kids.

 

[dis ms.]

Even though she is 26 and is an adult, she is still his daughter. Being a parent never ends no matter how old your kids get. I would do the same for my kids.

I agree with that. I'm 35 and I still look to my parents for help and guidance. And will continue to do so. However, I am an adult and I'm responsible for the decisions I make.

If I were Katie's mom, I would be disappointed with the way this relationship seems to be progressing, as well as concerned about Tom's odd behavior. I just don't know how much they can (or should) do about it. Also, has Katie indicated that she wants to be "rescued" (Dawn's word)? She may come to resent her parents' interference.

Okay, I've already spent too much time on this. My laundry isn't going to wash itself. So, carry on all! I might check in later.

 

[DawnCt1]

Um, okay...

Are you referring to Scientology, or the cult called "People Who Overdo the PDAs"?

I think you're being a little extreme. I don't even know these people so, while I do *ahem* subscribe to People Magazine *ahem*, I really don't care that much how a celebrity chooses to destroy his/her life.

Maybe this is hitting close to home for you or something. Do you have a loved one who has been knocked up by and is about to marry a couch-hopping amateur doctor?

What "nasty bug" bit you!! I am referring to the cult of Scientology. Any religion that requires a "minder" to accompany inductees sounds very cultish to me.

 

[Planogirl]

Has it occurred to anyone that if Katie is being sucked into a cult that Tom was also sucked into his cult at one time? Maybe that's the reason for his odd behavior! Maybe he needs rescuing too!

Actually, I think that these aren't the Moonies and it's really no one's business but Tom and Katie's. The parents can be concerned but they really have no right to interfere.

 

[cadburysmom]

I bet what really happened was Tom saw Katies Mother popping a few valium after having to deal with Tom's visit.
He then climbed down off the family furniture from which he was jumping all over it in the effort to "lecture" Mom on the dangers of drugs because he knows everything about everything.
At about that point, Katies Dad intervenes and tells Tom to get out of the house and demands the the family couch get replaced.

 

[DawnCt1]

Has it occurred to anyone that if Katie is being sucked into a cult that Tom was also sucked into his cult at one time? Maybe that's the reason for his odd behavior! Maybe he needs rescuing too!

Actually, I think that these aren't the Moonies and it's really no one's business but Tom and Katie's. The parents can be concerned but they really have no right to interfere.

Yeah but whose going to rescue Tom? His nutty sister? They aren't the Moonies but I actually think that they aren't much different from the Moonies. Everyone knows what the "Moonies" are. The Church of Scientology has been given false credibility due in part to the celebs that have seemed to jump on board. Katie's parents have no right to interfere but no one can question their motivation or desire.

 

[Beth76]

Let's not forget that Tom gave Katie her own private jet. That's a pretty sweet deal. I'd really have to toss that deal around in my head a bit. A private jet, all the money in the world, has to be with a crazy guy, but doesn't have to sleep with him, bringing an innocent child into the mix. Um, I still think I'd pass.

And, I'm sorry, but it's just creepy that she came out pregnant just a few weeks after they met. You know that was done on purpose.

 

[cadburysmom]

....because there is now a child in the picture, I'd hope Katie's family would be concerned, if not for their grownup daughter, who of course is entitled to make her own decisions, but for the sake of their grandchild, who is a total innocent in all this.