"no Speaka English"

[muffyn]

you can ignore it and be glad you're in Disney, or you can find a courteous way of letting them know you were ahead of them and you intend to take your place back. Let's try for last option in this thread so we can avoid the first option. Agreed?

ok, now I am just well very confused over the turn of the answers on this thread.
Cleo, you are a mod,, over 4000 posts to your credit, but your answers are like, you have never ,ever read just what I am talking about! let alone berated someone else who talked about it . or who used the $%^^## in place of swearing... which is definately ON this board in threads!
people are disgusted & complain ALL the time about "inconsiderate foreigners" who use the "no speaka english" card.

IF they don't understand english,,,,, which we know they do, how can one possibly do a courteous exchange with them,, they do NOT care! (again that is from reading tons of posts here over the years.) (some posters say even trying to get a CM to move them doesn't work ,, others say it almost came to blows)

 

[muffyn]

Our Guidelines here at the DIS frown upon insulting others, including those of us who are just doing our job here. I realize using 'sarcasm' can be passed off as a joke, but I'm afraid I've done the last editing of the OP's replies I plan to do.

Hopefully the OP will wait for some thoughtful replies to his or her question, so as not to run the risk of looking like he or she is just trying to pick a fight. If not, this thread will be locked.

I had never ever intention of insulting anyone HERE on disboards especially a moderator.......
I cannot see in any of my reponses where I did that (before they were edited )

 

[cleo]

My 12 year old knew exactly what the 'disguised' swearing was, as only a few letters were missing from a very commonly known profanity. Calling foreign guests the names that were being used is insulting. Please refer to our Guidelines if you have questions about what is acceptable and what is not.

As for other threads that may contain content not acceptable on the DIS, my apologies. All of the moderators are volunteers here and keep track of the boards as best they can. Things can and do slip past us. You have my sincere apologies for any content deemed unacceptable by our Owner's own guidelines, but when I do see it I remove it, as do my Co-Moderators. We do the best we can.

I just spent two weeks holiday with small children who tried using the 'But HE did it, why can't I do it' arguement so I'm afraid I'm a bit immune to that line of 'reasoning'.

If you can wait for some answers to your question, fine. If not, I'm going to assume this topic was just meant as a vent and not really intended to get any thoughtful answers.

 

[momof2inPA]

On the AK Safari ride, there was a group of Spanish speaking people who kept standing up. One guy stood for at least half the ride to film the animals and one child was standing while the car went over the rickety bridge. The people ignored the CM's requests to sit down and hold onto their children, so the CM treated it as a situation of not knowing English and hit the by-pass for the bridge collapse, so the kid wouldn't fall off the side. After the CM told the family to sit down for about the tenth time, I told her to say it in Spanish and the entire family went silent and stared at me. They apparently understood what I said enough to notice.

I've also had the big Portugese groups try to pass me in line. I just stand next to my husband and block their way.

 

[phantomtiger]

My only comment is that those that say "Dont speaka English" just spoke english pretty well and the only reason they cut lines (especially if U have young ones with U) is because they know they can and get away with it and nobody with little ones in tow will be too confrontational. I agree that lines are universal and EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KNOWS ITS WRONG TO CUT, thats why the lines are there.
To prove a point that line cutters knows exactly what they are doing, I believe these same people will NEVER cut the line for the firing squad, but why not?--after all, it is a line! Just my 2 cents.

 

[daisax]

I want to back up the person who said it can be a cultural thing -- lines are NOT a universal concept. In many cultures whoever pushes to the front first gets served next -- just a way of doing business. They figure if you wanted to be next, you'd be right up against the person in front of you.

In the US we tend to form a line to indicate our intended order, then relax and allow gaps to form, in the expectation that the people in front and behind us will keep in mind who's where.

But it's by no means universal. There's perfectly decent sign language you can use. Tap the person on the shoulder, point to them and the ground they're standing on, shake your head and point to the back of the line. And keep doing it until they move. Point to everybody in line behind you individually and THEN them.

Of course in their culture pointing may be rude, so try to be unaggressive about that part!

 

[jann1033]

Well, the concept of lines (queues) are universal, are they not.
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i don't think that is totally true as i have 2 friends , one from Europe and one from south america... both have live in the USA many years and in both instances they have told me how the hate the fact in their home country people just shove through to get where they want to go rather than form an orderly line

course you would think anyone seeing a line would get the picture but maybe not.
i too would tap them on the shoulder, point to the end of the line and motion for them to go there... although i like the hundred $$ bill idea too!

 

[melindaandrob]

Is line cutting really such a big problem that we have to 'arm' ourselves with snappy comebacks? Who cares, so I get there a few minutes later, I'm on vacation. I don't think the person who received the snappy comeback will understand it and if they do they are just going to look at you like you're a big jerk then go home and tell everyone about the nasty Americans.
'Edited for flameproof suit'

 

[PixieDust32]

I just know my DD's spanish classes will come in handy one day.....


Now if she can just learn some of the four letter words in their language...

SO, ONLY SPANISH SPEAKERS ARE foreigners or rude?

I had a really bad experiences with RUDE people, and they were not foreigners, other were foreigners but not hispanic! And yes some others were hispanic.

There is good and bad people regardless of their race.

And if some one is rude to me english, spanish or whatever they will know, i had a issue with a lady in bruce's line and she just walk in front of us to take the pic and a stood right in front of her and told her THE LINE IS BACK THERE.

 

[Corryn]

Just say "Did you drop that Hundred Dollar Bill"? If they look down, bingo! You've got 'em!

Oooohh!!! I'm gonna remember that one!!!!
That's like when Mrs. Brady had that accident and the guy she crashed into claimed crazy injuries. Then when they were in the courtroom, Mr. Brady purposely dropped (or slammed) his briefcase on the floor and then the "injured" man turned his head and the lawsuit was dismissed!

 

[Juls]

I posted several months ago about how I was listening to a radio station here in Charlotte, NC. And there was a caller who spoke perfect english, he said he and his family are asian and when the go to Disney World they pretend they cannot speak english to get to the front of the lines. It has worked every time for them. I tend to not let it get to me, I can wait a few more minutes, but when my DD was younger she did not understand. Nor was it fair to a child to see people passing her by when she has behaved nicely and waited her turn.

 

[DreadpiratK]

We've only had this once, a group of I think Brazilian (spanish speaking, anyway) boys jumped the rope at HM, and RAN all the way to the front. It was a crowded day, and raining, and really ticked me off, but then crowds make me grumpy anyway.

Anyway, here's what I don't get. We are told, by those who like to tell us how to act, that we should 'respect' other peoples cultures when we travel in thier countries. OK, fine, most people would agree with that. We are then told, by those same poeple, that when people from those same countries come here, we need to 'respect' the cultural differences, and in effect give them a pass on behavoir that we consider rude or inappropriate. Now, is respecting the culture of the country you are in right, or not? If it is right, why is only right for us, and not them? When do we get to have our culture 'respected' or do we simply assume that we are always in the wrong or inferior? Does your culture of origin determine what is right, or are there absolutes of behavior?

OK, that last one is a little too philosophical for a friday night, but i do wonder about the rest. It bothers me that we are always to be respecting other cultures, even when it is to our detriment, but can never expect respect in return.

I would also say that those of you looking to be offended, well go ahead, but it was pretty clear to me that the original intent of the post was about people who intentionally break the rules, then prentend not to understand to excuse what they clearly know is bad behavior. If they didn't know that they had done wrong, why pretend to not understand when called on it? Or is lieing also a cultural thing?

 

[jenks0718]

Originally Posted by goofyforlife
I just know my DD's spanish classes will come in handy one day.....


Now if she can just learn some of the four letter words in their language...

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I have to say that this comment got to me as well. Only the spanish speaking guests are rude and cut in line. PAALLEEAAASSSEEE. We were there last November and two caucasion girls (about 17 or 18) stomped on my 6 years old foot just to cut in line. Is there a little four letter word I should use on them about hurting a 6 year old spanish boy's little foot?

I see why this thread could become controversal. And BTW I was born in the good old USA.

 

[jenks0718]

I would also say that those of you looking to be offended, well go ahead, but it was pretty clear to me that the original intent of the post was about people who intentionally break the rules, then prentend not to understand to excuse what they clearly know is bad behavior. If they didn't know that they had done wrong, why pretend to not understand when called on it? Or is lieing also a cultural thing?
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IMO I dont think this post was looking for any advice. I think the OP wanted to vent and use some choice words about all those "foreigners" JMO

 

[DreadpiratK]

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IMO I dont think this post was looking for any advice. I think the OP wanted to vent and use some choice words about all those "foreigners" JMO[/QUOTE]


Could be, my mind reading skills are a bit rusty. Whatever the motivation, it clearly hits a nerve with many people here, considering how often it comes up.
I can understand needing to vent, I get angry just reading some of the stories here about rude behavior, no matter who is doing it.

 

[LolaNY]

We've only had this once, a group of I think Brazilian (spanish speaking, anyway) boys jumped the rope at HM, and RAN all the way to the front. It was a crowded day, and raining, and really ticked me off, but then crowds make me grumpy anyway.

FYI . . Brazilians don't speak Spanish, they speak Portuguese.

I have never experienced this and if I did, I would probably just ask them kindly in ENGLISH to move back and point to where they should move to. Sign language is pretty much universal. If they happened to be Spanish-speaking, well then I'm in luck as I speak Spanish myself! If all fails, well, then just leave it alone. Is it really worth it to get all up in arms about it. What goes around comes around. They'll get theirs one day, that's all.

 

[jenks0718]

I agree about the rude behavior. I dont agree with it or will not stand for it no matter who is doing it.

I am not trying to act like a mind reader, TRUST ME, my mind is half baked after the week I just had

 

[VCACACGC]

Whoa! Lots of edited postings! But I do feel most of the "foreigners" do speak or have a english speaking translator. A friend of mine who is an officer states that you will be suprised how fast "no comprende" turns to english when you say the words "go to jail".

 

[ducklite]

We've only had this once, a group of I think Brazilian (spanish speaking, anyway)

As much as we complain about certain cultures, we should at least have a clue what we are complaining about first.

Brasilians don't speak Spanish. They speak Portuguese. And they spell it Brasil.

That said, I worked for five years as a liason in the corporate office of a major international corporation for our internal clients from 37 branchs outside the US. I learned a lot about different cultures over that time. That said, I feel when in Rome, do as the Romans do. If I were visiting a Mosque I would wear conservative clothing and cover my head. If I were traveling through Japan I would take my shoes off before entering a home. The list goes on. It's too bad that many of the foreign visitors to this country don't take the initiative to learn a bit about the cultural norms in the USA.

Now, as far as how I handle line jumpers, etc. I use body language. I sinply position myself so they can't cut in line. And if they try, I "push" my way back to where I was.

Anne

 

[Joanna71985]

Come on everyone. It isn't just foreign people who cut lines. On my trip to WDW there were plenty of Americans who were doing things just as bad as the foreigners, and I know they understand. In fact, I caught a young woman (college-aged) SHOPLIFTING a CD from the Main Street Cinema. She definetely could speak English. In fact, she tried sweet-talking to me in English. So please- let's not have a big bru-ha-ha over people who cut lines. If that happens, just ask them nicely to move back or tell them nicely that you were in line. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. So let's not have this forum get locked. Please.