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Unfortunately there are technophobes out there who may be reluctant to use REAL ID, mostly due to privacy invasion concerns…
 

Unfortunately there are technophobes out there who may be reluctant to use REAL ID, mostly due to privacy invasion concerns…
Times have changed. Other than proof of address, everything you need for a REAL ID no no different than what I needed in 1973 when I got my first Driver's License. And other than Social Security number, everything is already public record.
 
Getting REAL ID where I live is a major PITA, especially for younger drivers. It's a bit easier for us old-school folks who still get paper bank statements and such., though the older you are, the more likely you are not to have a certified birth certificate. You have to appear in person, and you have to bring a LOT of paper documents.

Proof of citizenship and Social Security number isn't that difficult; you need a passport, or a govt. birth certificate and either
your SSN original card or a W2 issued within the previous 12 months. The harder part is residence. You have to show 2 proofs of current residence: One can be a recently issued dated document from an official institution such as a bank or school, and if it was received in the mail it has to have the name and address on the envelope itself with the postmark; no window envelopes. The second has to be from a government agency, such as a court summons, selective service card (if you're male), a voter registration or driver license renewal REMINDER postcard, etc., and it has to be postmarked within the past 6 months. Lots of younger folks have to go do something deliberate to get such mail sent to them in paper form, but the digital documents they would normally receive do not count -- it has to have been processed and received via the US Mail.

When DD was about ready to get her first license I asked and was told that they recommend bringing at least 6 of the suggested types of document with you to the DMV, and bringing 8 is recommended, though only 4 are technically needed. The problem is that the system is set up with "groups" of available options, and people get confused by that. You need one each from 4 possible groups, and people have a tendency to assume that certain things, such as a passport, can count in more than one group if it's listed in both. Nope, doesn't work that way, each item can only count once. So, to get it to work, you need to haul in more than you really need so that there are alternative options, and let the clerk go through the pile to find enough items that correctly count. I've never seen anyone walk up with 4 items and get them all accepted as proof -- something always seems to get rejected for some reason, so if you don't double-up, what ends up happening is that the clerk tells you that you don't have enough approved documents for REAL ID, so the choice is to come back another time when you have them all, or just get the basic ID. Many people are so tired of waiting in long lines by the time they get to the counter that making a second trip seems like too much, so they just accept the basic version.

TSA (and ICE) will let me through with my trusty blue valid US Passport, though -- nothing else is necessary. A US passport is more expensive to get than a state REAL ID driving license for me, but doesn't require nearly as many documents to obtain. It's ironic. (FWIW, my entire family does have REAL ID licenses, but they were a pain to obtain.)

PS: My state was one of the last REAL ID holdouts, and the reason had nothing to do with citizens being worried about privacy; it was the STATE that was worried about privacy -- they didn't want to combine both citizenship information and residence information into the same database, lest the Feds get any invasive ideas.
 
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Bizarre deal with REAL ID (RI) in PA. While you can pick up the non-RI drivers license at the DMV when you renew, the RI one has to be mailed to you for some reason. Real pain for me as I work out of state and am not at home to receive the mail often. They did give me a printout to carry around until I got the actual license, but not sure how the MD or VA cops might deal with that. Fortunately did not have to find out and now have my new RI license which is good for four years in PA.
 
I’m not sure how this is even news. You have had 20 years to get a real ID. If you haven’t done that paying $18 is a minor fee and still allows you to fly. Mine has been automatically renewing for 19 years now, brought the extra ID in years ago, it took an extra 5 minutes and now it’s just a regular renewal. The one bonus is how long your license is good for. I updated mine last year and it’s good for 10 years.
 
Getting REAL ID where I live is a major PITA, especially for younger drivers. It's a bit easier for us old-school folks who still get paper bank statements and such., though the older you are, the more likely you are not to have a certified birth certificate. You have to appear in person, and you have to bring a LOT of paper documents.

Proof of citizenship and Social Security number isn't that difficult; you need a passport, or a govt. birth certificate and either
your SSN original card or a W2 issued within the previous 12 months. The harder part is residence. You have to show 2 proofs of current residence: One can be a recently issued dated document from an official institution such as a bank or school, and if it was received in the mail it has to have the name and address on the envelope itself with the postmark; no window envelopes. The second has to be from a government agency, such as a court summons, selective service card (if you're male), a voter registration or driver license renewal REMINDER postcard, etc., and it has to be postmarked within the past 6 months. Lots of younger folks have to go do something deliberate to get such mail sent to them in paper form, but the digital documents they would normally receive do not count -- it has to have been processed and received via the US Mail.

When DD was about ready to get her first license I asked and was told that they recommend bringing at least 6 of the suggested types of document with you to the DMV, and bringing 8 is recommended, though only 4 are technically needed. The problem is that the system is set up with "groups" of available options, and people get confused by that. You need one each from 4 possible groups, and people have a tendency to assume that certain things, such as a passport, can count in more than one group if it's listed in both. Nope, doesn't work that way, each item can only count once. So, to get it to work, you need to haul in more than you really need so that there are alternative options, and let the clerk go through the pile to find enough items that correctly count. I've never seen anyone walk up with 4 items and get them all accepted as proof -- something always seems to get rejected for some reason, so if you don't double-up, what ends up happening is that the clerk tells you that you don't have enough approved documents for REAL ID, so the choice is to come back another time when you have them all, or just get the basic ID. Many people are so tired of waiting in long lines by the time they get to the counter that making a second trip seems like too much, so they just accept the basic version.

TSA (and ICE) will let me through with my trusty blue valid US Passport, though -- nothing else is necessary. A US passport is more expensive to get than a state REAL ID driving license for me, but doesn't require nearly as many documents to obtain. It's ironic. (FWIW, my entire family does have REAL ID licenses, but they were a pain to obtain.)

PS: My state was one of the last REAL ID holdouts, and the reason had nothing to do with citizens being worried about privacy; it was the STATE that was worried about privacy -- they didn't want to combine both citizenship information and residence information into the same database, lest the Feds get any invasive ideas.
That is crazy that states are so different from each other. DD's situation is crazy as it involves a foreign birth certificate, translations and a certificate of citizenship plus she never gets mail. I printed out a copy of her online bank statement, her school filled out a form for us verifying her address. I took a whole folder full of stuff to avoid having to make several trips and they handed it all back without looking at it and accepted the few documents they wanted.
 
Bizarre deal with REAL ID (RI) in PA. While you can pick up the non-RI drivers license at the DMV when you renew, the RI one has to be mailed to you for some reason. Real pain for me as I work out of state and am not at home to receive the mail often. They did give me a printout to carry around until I got the actual license, but not sure how the MD or VA cops might deal with that. Fortunately did not have to find out and now have my new RI license which is good for four years in PA.
That is how all licenses in my state are done. You leave with a piece of paper and a few weeks later you get it in the mail. The paper works fine if you need to use it.
 
Bizarre deal with REAL ID (RI) in PA. While you can pick up the non-RI drivers license at the DMV when you renew, the RI one has to be mailed to you for some reason. Real pain for me as I work out of state and am not at home to receive the mail often. They did give me a printout to carry around until I got the actual license, but not sure how the MD or VA cops might deal with that. Fortunately did not have to find out and now have my new RI license which is good for four years in PA.
They accept the printed copy.
 
Or maybe the person should get a passport if they fly often and some bizarre opposition to getting a Real ID. Real ID has been around for several years and there was ample opportunity to get one. Wonder if those opposed to getting a Real ID due to privacy concerns are the same types of people who run their lives off of their cell phone and participate on various social media sites???.................LOL.
 
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