No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[billlaurie]

One of the points of my signature is that Florida has a campaign of helping smokers quit. I'm glad you and your Doc are talking about quitting. I wish you luck.

I had a good friend that recently died from COPD. It was not a pleasant way to die and it devastated her family.

Smoking is a personal choice; however, it is a choice that impacts others. It will impact your family whether or not you choose to fill their lungs with second-hand smoke, like my mother did to me. The habit will eventually take you down and your kids are going to be the ones watching that and caring for you because you can no longer care for yourself. I am living that right now with a mother who smoked for more than 60 years, can barely breath, has nearly died multiple times, and needs constant care. People who say they will no longer take their families to Disney because of the smoking changes honestly make me very angry. I lived with this selfishness from a parent my whole life and now am the person who has to care for her, sacrifice time with my own children, because of her personal choices. Not so personal IMO.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We were passing through a casino a couple weeks ago where it’s acceptable to smoke but it felt weird so I waited until we were outside.

I don't frequent casinos often but one of the new ones (I say new but it's been around for 7 years but all the other casinos have been around for much longer than that) in my area has a non-smoking section complete with a separate filtration (well so they say). The main issue----you gotta trek through the smoking section to get there. It's not an overly large section of non-smoking especially considering the size of the rest of the casino floor but hey it was there.

I enjoyed Vegas (both times I've went though we are trying to plan a 3rd). Unfortunately it's not fun for me to be blowing out black crap from my nose from all the smoking. I do wish there might be a bit better options in that respect for me because it's hard on my body but it's Vegas so I accept it comes with the territory.

 

[Hikergirl]

CMs would certainly ask guests that were smoking outside of a DSA to please refrain from doing so and direct them to the nearest DSA, but they didn't have any teeth. Most people probably immediately comply and maybe grumble about it, but there was no penalty. Nobody was kicked out, and it the guest ignored the directive completely there was nothing for a CM to do. Now, some seem to want "enforcement" at a higher level, but personally I prefer Disney's style when it comes to rules infractions, and that is to never escalate a situation. It will only make things worse to be confrontational with smokers, line jumpers, etc. The park will become about policing and may lead to ugly incidents. Now, if someone is continually flaunting the rules, maybe security should get involved, discretely - they are good at that too - but I wouldn't really want to see people getting tossed out for minor things. What purpose does it really serve? I'll just prefer to not let the few disagreeable people ruin my good time.

While I don't think people should be removed for one incident of smoking, I do feel that if they continue to break that rule then they should be escorted from the park. That goes for anything, not just smoking though.
I personally feel that now that there will be an outright ban, more guests will notice those people trying to hide it (especially if it becomes as bad as some here claim it will now) and there will be more and more complaints to CMs and security. If that is the case then eventually Disney will have to do something and take it a little more seriously than they have in the past.
Only time will tell.

A pp mentioned upthread about smokers having to adapt, and that is the perfect way to put it. For a couple decades now smokers have been adapting to a world where second hand smoke is not welcome.
I remember when I could walk around the mall with a cigarette, and some stores even let you in with one. Then that stopped and there were smoking areas inside. Then inside smoking was banned, and you had to go outside. We used to stay by the door, then that changed to an area where there was little to no foot traffic. Now smoking anywhere on the property itself is banned, even in your own car.
Yet, smokers still go to the mall, they still work at the mall. Most people are good people, they follow the rules, but of course there will be those who don't. If you can't follow the rules that everyone else seems to manage too then I have no sympathy if security is a little harsh on you.

 

[BLAZEY]

This is great news. We have had a public smoking ban here for 11 years. Walking past the smoking area in Disneyland this week was gross.

 

[luvsJack]

I don't frequent casinos often but one of the new ones (I say new but it's been around for 7 years but all the other casinos have been around for much longer than that) in my area has a non-smoking section complete with a separate filtration (well so they say). The main issue----you gotta trek through the smoking section to get there. It's not an overly large section of non-smoking especially considering the size of the rest of the casino floor but hey it was there.

I enjoyed Vegas (both times I've went though we are trying to plan a 3rd). Unfortunately it's not fun for me to be blowing out black crap from my nose from all the smoking. I do wish there might be a bit better options in that respect for me because it's hard on my body but it's Vegas so I accept it comes with the territory.

We have several casinos on our coast. I know two are completely smoke free inside (I am pretty sure they allow it on the property outside) but the others allow smoking inside. Their filtration systems in these must be top notch and well above those in Vegas.

People that don't smoke have commented about not realizing anyone in the casinos was even smoking. No smoke, no smell, nothing. But now, anyone that does have a problem do have options.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

I don't frequent casinos often but one of the new ones (I say new but it's been around for 7 years but all the other casinos have been around for much longer than that) in my area has a non-smoking section complete with a separate filtration (well so they say). The main issue----you gotta trek through the smoking section to get there. It's not an overly large section of non-smoking especially considering the size of the rest of the casino floor but hey it was there.

I enjoyed Vegas (both times I've went though we are trying to plan a 3rd). Unfortunately it's not fun for me to be blowing out black crap from my nose from all the smoking. I do wish there might be a bit better options in that respect for me because it's hard on my body but it's Vegas so I accept it comes with the territory.

I use to go to the casinos in MS. after shopping at the base but stopped because the smoke would waft over to the buffet. A group of us would go to the concerts in Vegas but that stopped as well because in order to go to the restaurants you had to pass by the casino. As a non smoker we also have had to adapt...in the end it has saved us money!

The only cruise lines we go on are Disney ships because of no casino and no smoking on the verandas. There have been incidents of a smoker on a veranda but 1 call took care of that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We have several casinos on our coast. I know two are completely smoke free inside (I am pretty sure they allow it on the property outside) but the others allow smoking inside. Their filtration systems in these must be top notch and well above those in Vegas.

People that don't smoke have commented about not realizing anyone in the casinos was even smoking. No smoke, no smell, nothing. But now, anyone that does have a problem do have options.

That's good to know. I don't know if the filtration system in the casino I'm talking about is as good as that though it would be nice. Makes me wish Vegas would upgrade theirs at some point.

 

[luvsJack]

I use to go to the casinos in MS. after shopping at the base but stopped because the smoke would waft over to the buffet. A group of us would go to the concerts in Vegas but that stopped as well because in order to go to the restaurants you had to pass by the casino. As a non smoker we also have had to adapt...in the end it has saved us money!

The only cruise lines we go on are Disney ships because of no casino and no smoking on the verandas. There have been incidents of a smoker on a veranda but 1 call took care of that.

That's funny because that's the one that I was talking about. I know a lot of non smokers that go to the Beau Rivage and The Grand all the time and have for years. I asked them a long time ago how they stood it with all the smoke. Their answer? "What smoke?" And the air on the gaming floors is just as clear as can be. They still go. Now some of the smaller ones may not be as good, I don't know.

There is a small pool hall/bar in Kiln MS that has a similar filtration system for smoke just on a smaller scale and its great. People smoke in there but you would never know it. The bar owner is a non smoker and hates the smell so the system was put in. It works well.

If you want a casino buffet you can always go to the IP. Its smoke free.

 

[RUDisney]

We have several casinos on our coast. I know two are completely smoke free inside (I am pretty sure they allow it on the property outside) but the others allow smoking inside. Their filtration systems in these must be top notch and well above those in Vegas.

People that don't smoke have commented about not realizing anyone in the casinos was even smoking. No smoke, no smell, nothing. But now, anyone that does have a problem do have options.

My husband's extended family owns a casino and this was how their filtration system was from the beginning. It was amazing! However, over time, it isn't working as well, or too much smoke has permeated the soft surfaces. I know that they spent a small fortune to have the best of the best installed.

Basically, it stinks in there now.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

That's funny because that's the one that I was talking about. I know a lot of non smokers that go to the Beau Rivage and The Grand all the time and have for years. I asked them a long time ago how they stood it with all the smoke. Their answer? "What smoke?" And the air on the gaming floors is just as clear as can be. They still go. Now some of the smaller ones may not be as good, I don't know.

There is a small pool hall/bar in Kiln MS that has a similar filtration system for smoke just on a smaller scale and its great. People smoke in there but you would never know it. The bar owner is a non smoker and hates the smell so the system was put in. It works well.

If you want a casino buffet you can always go to the IP. Its smoke free.

We went to the Base and Beau back in the 90's when we lived in Slidell ( DH/USMC was stationed in NOLA)....it was very smokey then. I moved back to Pensacola when he had his twilight tour overseas. He later worked for the State and retired from that. We moved to the Space Coast after being hit with 2 hurricanes. We are both from Fl so will stay put.
I have been cancer free for 11 years and hope to stay that way!

 

[Colleen27]

Years ago when my state banned smoking in restaurants, there was a huge uproar. Smokers were never going to restaurants again! Restaurants and bars were going to go out of business because of this! Nope, many years later things seem to be a-okay. Restaurants and bars are still going strong here; if anything the ban helped them - in fact the restaurant association had even lobbied for the ban.

Disney did not do this without examining the potential effect to their bottom line, and they must have decided at a minimum it would not hurt them.

That's kind of an interesting thing, at least here in Michigan, because net impact is achieved by lumping bars, restaurants that serve drinks (places that exist primarily to serve food, but call themselves bars because they have sports on the TVs and a full drink menu, ie Fridays or Buffalo Wild Wings) and other restaurants together. The smoking bar really hurt bars - the places people go to drink and play pool or darts, which may or may not even serve food - but helped restaurants and especially helped the restaurant-bar type places that began to market themselves largely to families. If anyone cared enough about just-bars to do a separate evaluation, I think there would be a negative impact - the neighborhood bar we used to frequent closed not long after the ban went into effect, after a couple of months of being absolutely empty even on weekends because so many of their patrons decided if they couldn't have a cigarette at the bar they'd rather drink at home. But places like that are so outnumbered by restaurants that happen to serve drinks that the impact on those smaller places got buried in the boost to the Applebees of the area.

So if smokers can't go a day in the park without, or at least with only 1-2 treks out there, how do they handle long flights? It just seems awful to be constantly thinking about where/when/how to get the next fix. I'm sorry for anyone stuck in that.

We've never gone anywhere that required a long flight, so I'm not sure how my husband would handle it. I may never find out. He's not interested in traveling overseas, and coming from the midwest, traveling within the US involves relatively short flights. I think going out to San Francisco this summer will be the longest flight he'll ever have been on, and that's about 4.5 hours.

So if it's already only 3-4 times in a day, would it be that big a deal to make it 2-3 times? Have one before going in, enjoy the morning, go somewhere for lunch that's convenient to the park exit ... Plaza, or Tony's, have one after lunch (when you're already part of the way there), and then one when you leave? That's 3 times right there. You could even add a 4th by going before lunch ... break off from the group 30 minutes before meeting at the lunch spot, or even ask them to get seated and order for you. Alternatively, could you use the nicotine gum at some point in order to hold off smoking awhile longer?

I don't think the frequency is the problem. The time/distance is. Between exiting the park, finding the smoking area (which, from the one we've heard about so far, isn't going to be anywhere near the gates), actually smoking a cigarette, waiting in the bag check/security and turnstile lines again, and catching up with the rest of the party, I'm guessing the process will take 1-2 hours per cigarette, depending on the time of day. Even only twice a day, that's more wasted time than I'd be interested in paying for.

 

[mummabear]

My question is whether you will physically be able to bring your cigarettes in the park with you or if you will have to leave the pack in your car or resort.
At Wide World of Sports you can not even bring them past the security checkpoint

This makes most sense.

How are you going to enforce it anyway? Serious question. Are they going to start patting everyone down? People tend to carry their cigarettes in their pockets. Sorry but rent a cop isn't patting me down at the gate.

Easy, if you are found smoking in the park you are now removed, possibly banned.

 

[luvsJack]

This makes most sense.



Easy, if you are found smoking in the park you are now removed, possibly banned.

They aren't though, already been said.

But actually I was asking how would they enforce not being allowed to take them in the park, not the smoking of them.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

It will be very easy for security to target smokers for a heightened security check. They only have to use their nose. And I could def see security asking to see your pockets, a square bulge is very easy to recognize.

That's not exactly effective. Just because someone smokes, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to smell so strongly of it that a security guard will be able to tell unless they are going around literally putting their nose on everyone...which would be an insane violation of personal space. Even still, a person may have just showered, used cologne, not have just smoked, etc. Or they could have been standing around others who smoke and gotten some of the smell on them even though they are not actually smokers.

Not everyone carries their cigarettes in the regular box either. My mom puts hers in a silver metal case that's meant to carry credit cards. I know other people who stick their pack in their sock or their bra. Unless they institute pat downs on everyone (again, an insane violation of personal space to pat everyone down at a theme park and it would take forever), it would be incredibly difficult to prevent everyone from bringing them in.

Yep. They'll have 100 people who tried to pass by them too and it might actually be an issue. Maybe WDW will start giving out smoking passes. All of a sudden everyone would be a smoker needing a DAS

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I wouldn't be surprised if there were an upsurge of people abusing DAS so they can "virtually wait" in line while going for a smoke break. I could also see more people needing ECVs at the park if they smoke if they are having to do more walking.

Given what was posted about Disney not really going to have penalties for violating the smoking policy, I also see more people willing to light up wherever. The harder you make it for people to do something, the more people are willing to break the rules.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I don't frequent casinos often but one of the new ones (I say new but it's been around for 7 years but all the other casinos have been around for much longer than that) in my area has a non-smoking section complete with a separate filtration (well so they say). The main issue----you gotta trek through the smoking section to get there. It's not an overly large section of non-smoking especially considering the size of the rest of the casino floor but hey it was there.

I enjoyed Vegas (both times I've went though we are trying to plan a 3rd). Unfortunately it's not fun for me to be blowing out black crap from my nose from all the smoking. I do wish there might be a bit better options in that respect for me because it's hard on my body but it's Vegas so I accept it comes with the territory.

Unfortunately, Vegas casinos are stuck in a time warp when it comes to smoking. However there are some with good air exchange that make it a bit less of a problem. Nothing helps if one sits right next to you though. But at least their restaurants and shopping areas are non smoking and there are a couple of completely non smoking hotels you can retreat to. I think somewhere down the line a casino is going to go non smoking. And once they see they don't really lose business, there will be more and more. And here's the thing. Non smoking resorts don't have to spend nearly the amount of money changing things out. Sheets, bedspreads, curtains, the carpet. All these things last longer in non smoking environments.

 

[ppppiglett]

Going back to the parks, for those who vape, is nicotine the only ingredient in those drops?

I have to say NO to this as far as I know.
As a person who is chemically sensitive, I found out that some vapes contain propylene glycol.
(i.e. 1 distillation from ethylene glycol which is anti-freeze).

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Disney announces new 100% “all-smoking all the time” areas just outside of park entrances


https://unclewalts.com/florida/disn...wU84Oaw0dafVIUmoDEFueQ7p7mKD52SPr0jUlHqDmuYYE

 

[MLA95]

Just want to say thank you to Disney for helping me make up my mind. My wife was a major Disney fan and we went every year to Disney spending a minimum of $5000 for the trip along with a few thousand more on movie, video games house decorations, etc. She passed away in January and my children and I was thinking of going again this summer but wasn't sure if we'd enjoy it without her. Thanks to the smoking ban we decided not to go. Disney has decide we are not welcome there any more so we will spend our money else where. No more Disney, Star Wars, Marvel, etc. I know I will save $5000-$8000 easily this year and my 4 grown children will too. Hopefully every smoker out there will make the same decision we have. We know it's Disneys option but it's also our option to #BoycottDisney

Thanks for the memories.

I feel the same kiss my thousands of dollars per year goodbye!!! I am in support of the boycott but unfortunately with such little notice I am screwed for this year and won’t spend more than one dime that I don’t have to and then that’s it...bye bye!!

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

Speaking as someone with asthma, I am happy to learn about the ban on smoking! On our last trip we saw people smoking out of the designated areas many times and it was very frustrating for me because walking through a cloud of smoke can set off an asthma flare and ruin my day! If they had been smoking in the smoking areas I could avoid those areas, but people were smoking in line for rides and just outside of food areas that my kids and I were exiting, I can't think of where else we came across smokers but i know it happened everywhere. I agree with others--it is the careless park guests who didn't respect the rules that are at fault for this ban.

I'm curious about the ice ban, and really wondering what that is about? I haven't read through the whole thread yet so maybe it is explained somewhere.

 

[luvsJack]

Unfortunately, Vegas casinos are stuck in a time warp when it comes to smoking. However there are some with good air exchange that make it a bit less of a problem. Nothing helps if one sits right next to you though. But at least their restaurants and shopping areas are non smoking and there are a couple of completely non smoking hotels you can retreat to. I think somewhere down the line a casino is going to go non smoking. And once they see they don't really lose business, there will be more and more. And here's the thing. Non smoking resorts don't have to spend nearly the amount of money changing things out. Sheets, bedspreads, curtains, the carpet. All these things last longer in non smoking environments.

Do they allow smoking in the rooms in Vegas?