No flames, please! 2005 Gay Days . . .

[Mister Disney]

Oh good Lord . . .

Just because you don't "accept" it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Look, we are a mixed race couple. I'm Asian (Chinese), DH is Caucasian, and we have two beautiful mixed race children. Do you think our relationship is "inappropriate"?

Mister Disney, I think you are right about younger children not knowing or caring. I remember when our children were in the toddler/preschool age. It was not usual for girls and boys to be holding hands with each other while playing, walking, crossing the street, etc. It's not until later that the element of sexual attraction is added to hand-holding.

OH MY GOD, Deb....I never even "thought" you might be a mixed raced couple....what will people think, 2 people who love each other that happen to both be men and a lovely family of 4 that happen to be mixed race on the Train Tour

I am not sure I wanna do the train tour anymore.....
NOT

Deb, I can not wait to meet you now! June won't come soon enough!

 

[mking624]

I would NOT take my family to Disney World during gay days! We have not drunk the kool-aid of "diversity" to accept inappropriate relationships. We are not interested in "exposing" are children. Just becase the National Education Assoication (NEA) condones it and has these "alliance" clubs in our high schools, doesn't mean parents have to "accept" it. (And why if is it if you don''t condone homosexuality, you are called a "homophobe"? What nonsense.)

Ugh, this frustrates me. You know, my husband and I are both strong Christians...in fact, he's currently in seminary training to be a pastor. Neither of us agree with homosexuality. HOWEVER, we have never once turned our backs on people who are homosexuals. In fact, one of my aunts is a homosexual and I love her dearly. At one of my past jobs, my favorite person there was a homosexual. I can understand people deciding not to be there if they don't support it. But to go on and on ranting about what's going on only makes the person look completely foolish and makes others lose respect for that person...and I don't blame them. My husband and I are Christians, we've gone during Gay Days...and *gasp*, we survived. We can still treat others like human beings even if we disagree with their lifestyle. You do more harm by avoiding people than you do becomng friends with them. That doesn't mean you have to rush out and do everything they do, but it does mean you show some respect towards other people. It's only decent. Why should they bother to listen to what you have to say if all you're going to do is rant on about how much you don't like it? I wouldn't listen either. It's not there mere disagreement with homosexuality that labels someone as a "homophobe"...it's how those who disagree with it are responding. Because I disagree with it and I've never been called a homophobe...because my disagreeing with it has never prevented me from being someone's friend or from respecting them. They are people, too...with feelings!!

To all others, please know that not all people who disagree with homosexuality are like this. There are many of us who know how to "agree to disagree" and still be friends.

I'm very thankful for how civil everyone else has been on this thread.

 

[Deb in IA]

OH MY GOD, Deb....I never even "thought" you might be a mixed raced couple....what will people think, 2 people who love each other that happen to both be men and a lovely family of 4 that happen to be mixed race on the Train Tour

I am not sure I wanna do the train tour anymore.....
NOT

Deb, I can not wait to meet you now! June won't come soon enough!

LOL!!! We'll be the "Steam Train of Diversity" Tour!!!

 

[Sorcerer Figment]

I would NOT take my family to Disney World during gay days! We have not drunk the kool-aid of "diversity" to accept inappropriate relationships. We are not interested in "exposing" are children. Just becase the National Education Assoication (NEA) condones it and has these "alliance" clubs in our high schools, doesn't mean parents have to "accept" it. (And why if is it if you don''t condone homosexuality, you are called a "homophobe"? What nonsense.)

Hi Joe! Glad to see you love Epcot. Clearly we have something in common. But it seems you prefer not to associate with those who "condone" homosexuality or "exposing" children to homosexuals. So I thought I'd give you a little more info on some Epcot attractions you may wish to avoid. See my previous post on the subject and start with the second quote. And (seriously) best wishes for your vacation, whenever you go!

I like to plan our PS's for dinner for the park that we will be touring. I know from experience that PS's are essential for the prime dinner times in the summer, so that's why I was trying to get a sense of which parks to schedule, and which dinners to plan.

I'm doing the same thing, making PS's during Gay Days while trying to avoid the crowds. I've actually found it pretty manageable to plan around both GayDay.com and GayDayS.com schedules, not to mention dodging the Flower & Garden Festival and Star Wars Weekend while hitting TGM's "best days". So, it can be done. Best of luck doing the same!

And mking624- beautifully said. Thanks!

 

[Mister Disney]

LOL!!! We'll be the "Steam Train of Diversity" Tour!!!

 

[Mister Disney]

Ugh, this frustrates me. You know, my husband and I are both strong Christians...in fact, he's currently in seminary training to be a pastor. Neither of us agree with homosexuality. HOWEVER, we have never once turned our backs on people who are homosexuals. In fact, one of my aunts is a homosexual and I love her dearly. At one of my past jobs, my favorite person there was a homosexual. I can understand people deciding not to be there if they don't support it. But to go on and on ranting about what's going on only makes the person look completely foolish and makes others lose respect for that person...and I don't blame them. My husband and I are Christians, we've gone during Gay Days...and *gasp*, we survived. We can still treat others like human beings even if we disagree with their lifestyle. You do more harm by avoiding people than you do becomng friends with them. That doesn't mean you have to rush out and do everything they do, but it does mean you show some respect towards other people. It's only decent. Why should they bother to listen to what you have to say if all you're going to do is rant on about how much you don't like it? I wouldn't listen either. It's not there mere disagreement with homosexuality that labels someone as a "homophobe"...it's how those who disagree with it are responding. Because I disagree with it and I've never been called a homophobe...because my disagreeing with it has never prevented me from being someone's friend or from respecting them. They are people, too...with feelings!!

To all others, please know that not all people who disagree with homosexuality are like this. There are many of us who know how to "agree to disagree" and still be friends.

I'm very thankful for how civil everyone else has been on this thread.

HERE HERE MARY!!!!

Mary - side question....can you email me about your experience with Dolphins in Depth? We are signed up for the tour on June 1st. I think it looks incredible.

 

[kakiegirl]

Mary I am a Christian who feels exaclty like you do and I agree with what you said 100%

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Yes as a Christian I try to love everyone, just as God does love everyone unconditionally. However, I do not condone homosexuality, nor does God. Our pastor says we should love them and accept them in our church (but not in positions of leadership) and I agree. Our church does not condone the behavior / lifestyle choice.

I don't understand the comment by the mixed race couple. Race is not relevant. Marriage is between a man and a women and is sacred before God.

Earlier posters were "giggling" about the word "flame." I don't think homosexuals should be called names, nor those who disagree with the behavior.

I choose not to bring my family to Disney on a day when such behavior is being "celebrated."

 

[aladdinsgirl]

Mary--nicely said, I was going to say the same thing, I just couldn't think of how to word it. Just because I don't agree with a lifestyle choice (whatever that choice may be), that doesn't mean I have to hate or disrespect the person.

Krista

 

[PratersloveDW]

Very well said, Mary. I couldn't agree with you more!!

I was so happy to see that a thread on Gay Day's was not over run with silly inappropriate comments. Of course we are not all going to agree with SOME aspect of each others lives: sexuality, religion, what toppings are best on pizza (pepperoni!). But who cares, that is not what we are on these boards for - we are all here on these boards for the love of something that we ALL have in common - Disney. Thank you so much to everyone for keeping this conversation real!

As for crowds, I wonder if this year will be even more crowded during Gay Days due to the celebration that starts in May? That crowd (50 year celebration) has me a bit worried. I always like going in May/June because its not TOO crowded - I think this year could be a bit different. Any thoughts...

I hope that everyone has a Disney Day!!

 

[SnoWhiteRabbit]

I choose not to bring my family to Disney on a day when such behavior is being "celebrated."

Funny thing for me is, we've never been in June. Just by chance of the calendar, our trips (DH and my three kiddos) have been during Oct, May, Dec, and now Nov 2005. But whenever I see these posts about Gay Days, it makes me wish my family and I were going in June, just for the cause -- and well, just because I'd love to be in Disney with my family *ANY* day of the year!!

 

[Deb in IA]

Hi Joe! Glad to see you love Epcot. Clearly we have something in common. But it seems you prefer not to associate with those who "condone" homosexuality or "exposing" children to homosexuals. So I thought I'd give you a little more info on some Epcot attractions you may wish to avoid. See my previous post on the subject and start with the second quote. And (seriously) best wishes for your vacation, whenever you go!

Great list there, Sorcerer Figment. But I was thinking, we should also probably add these:

4. Might want to skip anything related to "Finding Nemo" as well. You know that Dory was voiced by the above-mentioned Ellen Degeneres.
5. In addition to Nathan Lane (voice of Timon in "Lion King"), many have questioned Scar's (Jeremy Irons) sexuality.
6. Likewise for Hopper in "It's Tough to be a Bug". He was voiced by Kevin Spacey, and we're not sure which way he swings either.
7. Oh, and forget about singing any of the songs from "The Little Mermaid", "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin" -- the lyricist, Howard Ashman, was one of them too.
8. Finally, I can't remember if there's anything at Disney World involving "Inspector Gaget", but you must know that Mr. Claw, aka Rupert Everett is gay.

 

[Deb in IA]

Oh, and almost forgot:

Joe, you might want to re-think your DIS membership also, because our very own Pete Werner, founder and owner of the DIS is, in fact, gay.

Yup. They're EVERYWHERE . . . .

 

[PrincessCandaceMarie]

same thought here too.....gotta love it

 

[Deb in IA]

I don't understand the comment by the mixed race couple. Race is not relevant. Marriage is between a man and a women and is sacred before God.

Your comment was regarding "diversity" and "inappropriate relationships".


It was not all that long ago that mixed race marriages were considered by some to be "inappropriate".

They were called the Ku Klux Klan.

 

[Sorcerer Figment]

Great list there, Sorcerer Figment. But I was thinking, we should also probably add these:

4. Might want to skip anything related to "Finding Nemo" as well. You know that Dory was voiced by the above-mentioned Ellen Degeneres.
5. In addition to Nathan Lane (voice of Timon in "Lion King"), many have questioned Scar's (Jeremy Irons) sexuality.
6. Likewise for Hopper in "It's Tough to be a Bug". He was voiced by Kevin Spacey, and we're not sure which way he swings either.
7. Oh, and forget about singing any of the songs from "The Little Mermaid", "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin" -- the lyricist, Howard Ashman, was one of 'those'.
8. Finally, I can't remember if there's anything at Disney World involving "Inspector Gaget", but you must know that Mr. Claw, aka Rupert Everett is gay.

Great additions, especially about the late Howard Ashman. And I must say I'm a bit jealous of your "Steam Train of Diversity" Tour... The train tour is great to begin with, but with that crew...

I should point out that in making that list, I am not just trying to single out Joe or anyone else. To want to avoid the events of Gay Day is one thing, but to try and discredit, dismiss, or avoid all gay people is another. And if one wants to truly boycott all things gay, then they shouldn't be luke warm in it. (Not to mention, should you also be boycotting Jews, Muslims, etc. that one's church "doesn't agree with"?) Oh, and as for God not condoning homosexuality? Well, that is your interpretation of the Bible. But please don't speak as my God.

Your comment was regarding "diversity" and "inappropriate relationships".


It was not all that long ago that mixed race marriages were considered by some to be "inappropriate".

They were called the Ku Klux Klan.

Yes, and believe it or not... The only thing better than Gay Days at Disney? Thousands of gay people + Dolly Parton's theme park + the KKK. Now that's a party! [More info]

Oh, and almost forgot:

Joe, you might want to re-think your DIS membership also, because our very own Pete Werner, founder and owner of the DIS is, in fact, gay.

Yup. They're EVERYWHERE . . . .

And as for the DIS, well... Sorry I can't be more help regarding your original post. Hope you can get at least a few more suggestions before this thread is locked...

 

[phorsenuf]

My MIL is a "homophobe" and boy would I love to take her there for Gay Days! What a hoot that would be!

BTW- Mary...what you said was awsome!

ETA: I had to mention this because I thought it was funny.
We had mentioned one time to my MIL that someone in our family was gay. She responded "why can't they just go to the Dr and get a shot for that? Maybe he just needs some testosterone." LOL Too funny! (and sad)

 

[NCombs]

Deb in IA- Love the reference to Iowa. No, we don't grow potatoes-that's Idaho. I'm just down the interstate from you about 90 minutes in Newton.

Mister Disney-Okay, since we have seen your picture several times in this post-tell us which one is you. I want to put a face with your great posts.

 

[sleepyone]

Well, as a pair of those "RED people", I can speak from experience.

Other than seeing a lot of RED, the parks themselves are really no busier than they would be during any other "peak season" day.

How does one match RED with lime green?!?!?!?

I am in a quandry now.

My family wear matching clothes to the parks so that if someone gets separated they know to look for the same color they are wearing. On our MK day, it happened to be our blue day. My dd said, "It's a good thing we wore the blue instead of red because lot's of people decided it was red day". We didn't know why so many people were wearing red; we were too busy enjoying ourselves at MK! Maybe some of the "flamers" should ride IASW.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I appreciate the comments that are civil.

However, if you disagree, there is no need to bring up the KKK.

No need for sarcastic comments re Disney exhibits I should avoid, etc.

I simply do not condone the homosexual lifestyle. God loves all of us, but does not condone our sins. Parents love their children, but do not condone their sins. The Bible is clear on the matter - no private interpetation needed.
Hey, we haven't even got to the bi-sexuals.

I do not want teachers telling my children that is ok to be gay. No wonder homeschooling is on the rise. (No, I don't think anyone was born gay.) God and I want what's best for my children and everyone's children.

I'm glad everyone can enjoy Disney, but my family and I will not "celebrate"
Gay Days.