No Drum and Fife but Kwanza??!!

[JennaDeeDooDah]

This thread has really delivered evidence as to why it would be beneficial to talk about Kwanzaa at American Adventure. In this thread alone, we have learned that people don't actually know about the history of Kwanzaa nor why it came about. It seems to me that if there are that many Americans who don't know much about the holiday, then there are also probably many people from other countries who don't, as well. Seems to me, this is evidence that storytellers talking about Kwanzaa would certainly be more informative than one talking about Santa, the reindeer, and putting up stockings on our mantle.

 

[eliza61]

lol and my point is continuously being proved, instead of politely discussing and debating as a few have, eliza61 thank you for showing decorum and debating civilly for the most part, most tend to lash out and insult. Maybe my reference to the colleges was off base, but that one seems to merit the only argument here. Possibly is the only one with feasible cannon?

But I digress, my point was it's way to easy to attack the question, than to accept the question. I bet no one actually took the time to even consider before they jumped onto the "that's racist! I must attack" bus.

As I repeatedly stated there is a double standard, we can't, we won't move ahead until we address it as a whole.. It's not about attacking a race, it's about merging. We can't merge until we say "hey, it's time to put away the things that seperate us and celebrate the things that bring us together."

But Bayou,

I think that America and WDW is one of the places where we do "merge" really well.

Now remember "merging" does not mean becoming Homogeneous (sp).

I say I am an African American. I am an American of African descent.

America is one of the few places on the planet where you can specifically celebrate a "heritage" while acknowledging your country. One doesn't take away from the other. If you say you are Italian American or heck, even Native American basically it's just saying "this is what makes us unique". 99.9% of the time it is to celebrate contributions made by the individual. I.e. Columbus day.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "hey this is what makes us unique" and sharing it.

Look at it this way, let's pretend the dis was it's own country. all of us dissers would be citizens by our love of wdw or DL but we are all different. can you imagine how dull and boring these boards were if we all were homogeneous???

 

[gmboy95]

But Bayou,

I think that America and WDW is one of the places where we do "merge" really well.

Now remember "merging" does not mean becoming Homogeneous (sp).

I say I am an African American. I am an American of African descent.

America is one of the few places on the planet where you can specifically celebrate a "heritage" while acknowledging your country.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "hey this is what makes us unique" and sharing it.

This ^^^

 

[SirDuff]

My point being though we still have the vaccine, since 1988 it's not been needed as a cure more so now as prevention. Even the FDA was considering dropping the vaccine until the current outbreak in syria

It was always used for prevention. That's the whole point of a vaccine - they are not used to cure people, they are used to prevent people from getting the disease.

Sure you can, but will you be accepted?

I did. A white Canadian.

I know very little about Kwanzaa (basically what I learned from the Arthur Christmas episode - the Brain's family celebrates it), so I appreciate those who took the time to explain it. I would love to see it portrayed at WDW (but I'm not usually there during this time of the year).

 

[BayouMickey]

But Bayou,

I think that America and WDW is one of the places where we do "merge" really well.

Now remember "merging" does not mean becoming Homogeneous (sp).

I say I am an African American. I am an American of African descent.

America is one of the few places on the planet where you can specifically celebrate a "heritage" while acknowledging your country. One doesn't take away from the other. If you say you are Italian American or heck, even Native American basically it's just saying "this is what makes us unique". 99.9% of the time it is to celebrate contributions made by the individual. I.e. Columbus day.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "hey this is what makes us unique" and sharing it.

I agree, yet there are powers that be that uses these differences to continue to separate us. I understand celebrating our heritages, but as too my original post Kwanzaa INITIALLY was not created for celebrating ones heritage. There is no denying that. I do pray though that if it continues to be a viable holiday, it's is transformed into something that promotes the total opposite. Much like how Christmas. Once a ploy to end pagan ideals by stealing their traditions, to now a holiday of peace and love.

 

[kidd_freeper]

Let's see...
2) Kwanzaa was created by an extremist during a time when they were rejecting anything associated by "the man"

It's worse. He is a sadistic felon.

Maulana Karenga (born Ronald McKinley Everett) created Kwanzaa in 1966. In 1971, Karenga was sentenced to one to ten years in prison on counts of felonious assault and false imprisonment. One of the victims gave testimony of how Karenga and other men tortured her and another woman. The woman described having been stripped and beaten with an electrical cord. Karenga's estranged wife, Brenda Lorraine Karenga, testified that she sat on the other woman’s stomach while another man forced water into her mouth through a hose.

A May 14, 1971, article in the Los Angeles Times described the testimony of one of the women:

"Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."

 

[BayouMickey]

It was always used for prevention. That's the whole point of a vaccine - they are not used to cure people, they are used to prevent people from getting the disease.

The vaccine was originally the cure when it comes to the polio vaccine. strands have been procured since the 1950's to then use it as a preventive through 1988. In which at that time they continued just to use the last strand cultured because polio was nearly obliviated at that point and saw no reason why to attempt to culture and mutated strands.

 

[BayouMickey]

It's worse. He is a sadistic felon.

Maulana Karenga (born Ronald McKinley Everett) created Kwanzaa in 1966. In 1971, Karenga was sentenced to one to ten years in prison on counts of felonious assault and false imprisonment. One of the victims gave testimony of how Karenga and other men tortured her and another woman. The woman described having been stripped and beaten with an electrical cord. Karenga's estranged wife, Brenda Lorraine Karenga, testified that she sat on the other woman’s stomach while another man forced water into her mouth through a hose.

A May 14, 1971, article in the Los Angeles Times described the testimony of one of the women:

"Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."

At last someone who read the history.. I don't think people realize, or want to..

 

[bumbershoot]

At last someone who read the history.. I don't think people realize, or want to..

Eh. The whole reason I know about it is because of my hippie mom who was aware of the movement. She always scoffed at the holiday, knowing its origins.

But if we are going to talk about the origins of holidays and the people that created them and reasons that they were created, and I'm pretty sure we don't, Kwanzaa isn't the first to have come from bad beginnings.

Pretty sure all the seasons that some of the big mainstream holidays center around were ALREADY being used as festival times, until they were forcefully coopted by others.

And so on.

I prefer to take these things as they are today and not look too deeply into origins and people who created them. Makes things a lot nicer.

 

[eliza61]

At last someone who read the history.. I don't think people realize, or want to..

people who celebrate it realize it. what they do is what Americans have done for hundreds of years, we take a celebration from a not so nice beginning and we morph it.

I mean, remember thanksgiving started from a tradition between the Indians and pilgrims, who immediately after started wiping out the Indians or at the very least forcing them to convert to Christianity.

 

[BayouMickey]

people who celebrate it realize it. what they do is what Americans have done for hundreds of years, we take a celebration from a not so nice beginning and we morph it.

I mean, remember thanksgiving started from a tradition between the Indians and pilgrims, who immediately after started wiping out the Indians or at the very least forcing them to convert to Christianity.

Yes I agree as I stated in my previous post. My question is why would we need another holiday on the same time to promote the same thing we already have one for?

 

[Dr Gevil]

Now be fair. This board is labeled Theme Park Attractions and Strategies. I'd say that the storytellers are there to attract guests which would make it an attraction and a topic that is perfectly at home on this board.

I would be OK with that....if the ACTUAL attraction was being discussed and not hijacked like a lot of threads here - {cough} "FP+ sucks/is great" {cough}.

Unless I missed the blog post saying EPCOT was replacing the Canadian lumberjacks with a new interactive show called " Show your true colors vs. Let's pile on all the racists/trolls/racist trolls" - then this, while entertaining, has veered