Nikon D80

How does it focus? I am fairly certain that I am getting one before our trip! :cool1: How convenient that Mother's Day is coming up.

Thanks for the D80 help. I need to experiment with night/low light shots before we leave.



It's a great lens so don't think you will be buying a piece of dirt.

What I mean by focusing is that sometimes you have to take the picture a few times because the first one may not be clear. Sometimes it is hard to tell where it is focusing. Lets say for example you want to take a picture of your child standing front of the Walt Statue near the castle. The 50mm lens will not have a clear view of both the child and the statue (only if the child is IN FRONT), you might think it is, but when you get home and look at it on your computer, you will be surprised. One of the other will be blurred. If the chiuld stands next to it you have a better chance of getting both the child and statue in clear focus.


Here is an example of a few pictures. They are not Disney related so I hope it's ok. This is just to show how focusing works.


In this first one, notice how blurred the grass is behind the ring.

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In this one. notice how the baby's hip/waist area is in focus and the top/bottom area's of the bassinet are blurred?

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You will absolutely looooove this lens! Don't hesitate to get it, but practice with it as much as you can before you visit Disney. I am sure you will love it!:banana:
 
So, it has a really shallow depth of field. I definitely see it on the ring picture, but it's hard for me to see the blurring on the baby picture (beautiful blanket BTW - can't see the baby, but I'm sure she is as well).

I thought that a bigger aperature meant a larger depth of field and a smaller aperature meant a short DOF? What about this lens (with a big aperature opening of 1.8 at the largest) changes that?

I see myself switching out lenses often. 50mm for rides and my normal lens for general shots. There have been too many times that I've taken photos that looked crisp and in focus in the playback window, but have actually been fuzzy when viewed on the computer. Not something I want to discover when it's too late to recreate the scene.
 
So, it has a really shallow depth of field. I definitely see it on the ring picture, but it's hard for me to see the blurring on the baby picture (beautiful blanket BTW - can't see the baby, but I'm sure she is as well).

I thought that a bigger aperature meant a larger depth of field and a smaller aperature meant a short DOF? What about this lens (with a big aperature opening of 1.8 at the largest) changes that?

I see myself switching out lenses often. 50mm for rides and my normal lens for general shots. There have been too many times that I've taken photos that looked crisp and in focus in the playback window, but have actually been fuzzy when viewed on the computer. Not something I want to discover when it's too late to recreate the scene.

I see myself switching out lenses often. 50mm for rides and my normal lens for general shots. There have been too many times that I've taken photos that looked crisp and in focus in the playback window, but have actually been fuzzy when viewed on the computer. Not something I want to discover when it's too late to recreate the scene.[/QUOTE]


It is hard to tell the focusing on the baby...that's why I put it in there.
You are correct about the DOF, but it also deals with how much light it lets in. That's why this lens is a greta lens for low light because it has a high aperture (1.8). This can get tricky. :) With the 50mm lens it's a fixed lens so wherever 50mm is, is where it will focus at. You have to get further back then you would with a zoom lens because of it being a fixed lens. Take your camera to the camera store and I am sure they will let you try it out. It really is a good lens.


Here is a bigger photo of the baby. I don't know if you can tell, but this is as big as I can get the photo to go. The edges of the bassinet are blurred. When i took this photo I had to wait until I got home to see what it actually looked like. i took several from this view because I couldn't tell if what I wanted was in focus. Another thing you can do is after you take your picture, you can zoom in on the photo to see if it is in focus. I do that when I have more time and it really helps.

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I recently tried to get very low light shots of my FIL and my 2 girls with a birthday cake lit with 4 candles. No tripod, no flash, auto mode and they were slightly blurry.

The tripod would help with camera shake, not with moving subjects. Since you had low light, no flash, and a f/3.5-f/5.6 lens, you would have needed a slow shutter speed for good exposure, but that same slow shutter speed might have caused blur from the moving subject. To minimize blur in this scenario, you would need to anticipate and press the shutter at the moment of peak action, when the subject is perfectly still. In addition, positioning yourself so the subject is moving straight towards the camera, rather than across the frame, minimizes motion blur.

So, what can I do to get good photos of the spectromagic parade, illuminations, fireworks, and rides like pirates and others?

For fireworks use a low ISO, small aperture (f/8, f/11 or f/16), set the focus to infinity, use a slow shutter speed (2 or 3 seconds, but you may need to mess around with this). USE A TRIPOD and either a remote shutter release or the timer. Zoom out far enough that you've got a lot of sky. For jpgs you might want to enable in-camera noise reduction. If you're including the castle in the frame, it's too easy to overexpose it.

For Spectromagic, a higher ISO may be necessary. That will cause image noise, but a noisy image is better than no image at all. The subjects will be moving, so if you want to reduce blur, you'd have to use a fast shutter speed, but doing so would necessitate a large aperture, which your lens is incapable of delivering. So, use the widest aperture you can (lowest f-stop) and play with the shutter speed until you get good exposure. Remember that because you'll be using your widest aperture, your depth of field will be shallow. Also remember that your aperture is variable, so if you set it to f/3.5 at 18mm, then zoom in to 135mm, your max aperture will change to f/5.6, so you may need to change your shutter speed or ISO accordingly. Shooting in aperture priority and using exposure compensation would make these adjustments easier on you. Positioning yourself so that most of the important subjects are on the same plane of focus will help. Find a spot before the parade starts and take practice shots of the crowd to find your settings. Also, you can reduce apparent motion blur by photographing the subject moving directly toward you rather than across the frame. Use continuous/burst mode to improve your chances of getting at least 1 good shot. Using a fast-writing memory card, rather than the cheap ones that offer large sizes will help. Crowds may not permit you to use a tripod, so use good hand-holding techniques: spread feet shoulder-width, tuck elbows in, support bottom of camera/lens with left hand, support the camera against your face while looking through the viewfinder, take in a breath...hold it...then squeeze and hold the shutter release button in one continuous motion--don't jab at it -- until the image has been recorded. You can further support yourself by leaning yourself or the camera against a post or something sturdy. A mini-tripod, or a beanbag, or a sock stuffed with rice can help steady a camera sitting atop a trash can.

Forget about trying to take pictures of the dark rides, like Pirates; just enjoy them. The characters are moving, you're moving, so they're going to be either blurry or underexposed. Using flash woud ruin the shot (you try to get a picture of Flounder swimming magically through the ocean onstage at the Little Mermaid show at Disney's Hollywood Studios, but, instead, you get a flash picture of a man dressed in black with a foam fish on his hand). Even with a wide-aperture prime lens, it's not worth it. But if you must take pictures on rides (without flash, please), then review what I seid above. Also, remember that you can further reduce the appearance of motion blur by zooming out. Motion is emphasized the more you zoom in. So, maybe that pirate audioanimatronic is smaller in the frame, but it will appear sharper than the close-up blurry ghost that kinda looks like a pirate.

I'm repeating this point, but you can greatly reduce motion blur by anticipating the perfect moment to take the shot. For instance, if you have to use a slow shutter speed, but you want a sharp image of someone jumping, you should take the shot at the split-second that they reach the apex of their jump. If you're a split-second too early, you'll get motion from them moving up, and if you're late, you'll get motion from the descending. This takes practice, but it's HUGE.


I took some photos of my DD4 at her swim lesson. I zoomed in on about 1/2 of them so that she was the focus of the photos instead of the rest of the people in the pool. Auto mode with flash. The photos were dark. However, when I zoomed back out, the photos were much brighter.

Your camera was metering for two different scenes, with different proportions and levels of shadows, highlights, and midtones. Additionally, your flash has greater effect on object nearer to it than your daughter who was farther away.


I'm probably one of those people who "shouldn't" have a DSLR because I just don't know how to use it correctly. I really want to learn more, but time is limited with taking care of my kids.

Most people in your shoes eventually give up on the DSLR, getting sick of lugging it around. Keeping this in mind, you might want to be careful about investing too much more money. You don't need expensive equipment to take great photographs. Fancy, expensive cameras help make it easier for photographers who already know what they're doing to do what they do well. Fancy, expensive cameras can intimidate and frustrate beginners, actually preventing them from improving.
 

So, it has a really shallow depth of field. I definitely see it on the ring picture, but it's hard for me to see the blurring on the baby picture (beautiful blanket BTW - can't see the baby, but I'm sure she is as well).

I thought that a bigger aperature meant a larger depth of field and a smaller aperature meant a short DOF? What about this lens (with a big aperature opening of 1.8 at the largest) changes that?

I see myself switching out lenses often. 50mm for rides and my normal lens for general shots. There have been too many times that I've taken photos that looked crisp and in focus in the playback window, but have actually been fuzzy when viewed on the computer. Not something I want to discover when it's too late to recreate the scene.

It has a shallow depth of field at the wide apertures (aka small numbers). f/1.8 has a VERY VERY shallow depth of field so you have to be sure of your focus point. So shallow that if you focus on the nose the eye's will be out of focus. However, you are not limited to f/1.8 with the lens. I do the portraits of the kids with this lens and typically use f/5.6 or f/8 depending on how I have them sitting.

I'll usually use the center focus point, then recompose keeping the shutter release 1/2 pressed, then take the shot.
 
for Spectromagic, if you had the choice of a new 50 mm 1.8 lens or the 18-135 3.5-5.6 lenses, which one would you use? I'm sure that for the lighting, the 50 mm would be better, but I would be without a zoom. I suppose I could just crop since they are high res photos. :confused3
The others answered this (50mm! 50mm! 50mm! ;) ) but one other reason to choose the 50mm is that because it lets in a lot more light, it's easier for your camera to focus in low light, so you should have less times where the camera is hunting or even gives up entirely on getting focus.

Also, someone mentioned earlier $500+ for low light and zoom - not really true, you can get short fast zooms for less, like the well-regarded Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 which is $300-350 usually. However, it's still not nearly as good in low light as a fast prime, but much better than the lens that came with your camera.
 
Has anyone suggested a trigger?

I've been thinking of trying that and a good tripod my next trip to the world...

I've tried monopod, still shakey in low light~

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Tigger suggests a trigger? :lmao: :)

I'm not sure what you mean by trigger. Are you talking about a remote shutter release? I think a remote shutter release is almost mandatory when taking tripod shots, and I prefer a wired one.
 
It has a shallow depth of field at the wide apertures (aka small numbers).

I'll usually use the center focus point, then recompose keeping the shutter release 1/2 pressed, then take the shot.

I had it totally backwards. :laughing: I don't know what I was thinking. I swear, kids really do suck the knowledge out of you because I took not 1, but 2 photography courses in college. Apparently, that was too long ago. I won't confuse it now.

The others answered this (50mm! 50mm! 50mm! ;) ) but one other reason to choose the 50mm is that because it lets in a lot more light, it's easier for your camera to focus in low light, so you should have less times where the camera is hunting or even gives up entirely on getting focus.

It's pretty much settled that I AM getting the 50mm for this trip. :cool1: I'm glad that it's easier to focus in low light because my experiments with my 18-135 lens and my DD's toy showed that it had a hard time focusing. It kept going in and out and sometimes gave up. My setup was in my living room during the day with the blinds closed. I then had this little doll in her light-up wardrobe to simulate a stage show :lmao: . When I was able to get her in focus, the photos did sort of come out. But, that was at a distance of only a few feet.

Has anyone suggested a trigger?

I've been thinking of trying that and a good tripod my next trip to the world...

I looked into it. I need to verify with someone who owns one for their D80, my owners manual, or someone who works at a camera store if the ML-L3 Nikon remote is the proper one for the camera. Amazon has it listed as for the D50 and D70, but the Nikon website page for the D80 lists it as the optional accessory. If that's the one, it's a little over $13 from amazon. I'll add it to my mini camera accessory spree.

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions! I really appreciate it.

Awesome photos Steve's Girl!
 
I looked into it. I need to verify with someone who owns one for their D80, my owners manual, or someone who works at a camera store if the ML-L3 Nikon remote is the proper one for the camera. Amazon has it listed as for the D50 and D70, but the Nikon website page for the D80 lists it as the optional accessory. If that's the one, it's a little over $13 from amazon. I'll add it to my mini camera accessory spree.

According to Nikonusa.com the ML-L3 Wireless Remote Control is the one for the D80. Its listed as an optional accessory because it is not included in the camera kit (like the battery and charger are).

I have the same one for my D50. I haven't had to change the battery in the 2 years I've it. Works great, except from directly behind the camera.

The D80 also has an optional wired remote. I wish the D50 had that option. It would work nicely when doing portraits.
 
According to Nikonusa.com the ML-L3 Wireless Remote Control is the one for the D80. Its listed as an optional accessory because it is not included in the camera kit (like the battery and charger are).

I have the same one for my D50. I haven't had to change the battery in the 2 years I've it. Works great, except from directly behind the camera.

The D80 also has an optional wired remote. I wish the D50 had that option. It would work nicely when doing portraits.

Where, may I ask, do you tend to stand if not behind the camera?
(it looks like that's the only remote available for a D40-my baby)

[size=-1]thank you for starting this thread aripantaloon, you all are soooo helpful~[/size]
 
The ML-L3 remote works just fine with the D80. It's unfortunately infrared so it "theoretically" needs a direct line to the sensor located on the front of the camera body to trigger. However, I have no issues with mine and basically hold it to the left side to trigger it. I've heard some have been able to actually get it to work from behind, but I've never been able to. Really though, it works fine.
 
The ML-L3 remote works just fine with the D80. It's unfortunately infrared so it "theoretically" needs a direct line to the sensor located on the front of the camera body to trigger. However, I have no issues with mine and basically hold it to the left side to trigger it. I've heard some have been able to actually get it to work from behind, but I've never been able to. Really though, it works fine.

Darn it! I have the same trigger and I love it, however, most of the time mine has a hard time firing. I have to hold in front of my face sometimes...and well, that's not a pretty picture!
 
Where, may I ask, do you tend to stand if not behind the camera?
(it looks like that's the only remote available for a D40-my baby)

[size=-1]thank you for starting this thread aripantaloon, you all are soooo helpful~[/size]

You can stand behind the camera, however you have to hold your arm out and point the remote towards the front of the camera. You don't have to be directly infront of the camera. It is a remote control. Try standing behind your TV and change the channel with your remote.

Don't get me wrong, its not a terrible inconvenience, its only a slight pain in the part of the anatomy that you tend to sit on. Plus for less than $20 it is more than worth it.

This is also the only remote (wireless or wired) that is available for the D50. It does work like a charm though. Definately worth buying.
 
For the wired remote, it doesn't matter where I hold my hand, right? As long as I am within the bounds of its cord, I can stand anywhere in relation to the camera and fire the shutter, correct? I might spring for the wired one so that I don't have to worry about being in a good position to connect to the infared sensor. I imagine I'll be holding the baby, so she'll be first priority.

Ok, so to recap, I'm taking my existing tripod (sunpack 6100) and stowing it in a large locker for the day. I'm getting a new 50 mm 1.8 lens and the wired remote for my camera. I'll probably order the lens Monday night since the online camera shop is closed for Passover.

Now I just need to practice and review the shutter, ISO, and aperature setting hints that everyone posted before we leave.

Thank you everyone for your help!!!
 
For the wired remote, it doesn't matter where I hold my hand, right? Right. As long as I am within the bounds of its cord, I can stand anywhere in relation to the camera and fire the shutter, correct? Yes. I might spring for the wired one so that I don't have to worry about being in a good position to connect to the infared sensor. I imagine I'll be holding the baby, so she'll be first priority. Your tripod is a lightweight tripod, right? Be careful when photographing fireworks. Even if your camera is on a tripod, people will bump into your tripod if it's busy and you could lose your investment if it drops to the hard concrete. Can't your DH hold the baby while you shoot fireworks and Spectro? When I was in DL, I had 4 kids (not mine!) who somehow evolved their way over to just under my tripod. Luckily their grandpa was on top of things and keot telling them to be careful. But they bumped my tripod several times and finally I had to tell them that they needed to be careful because my camera gear was very expensive. Finally their g-pa removed one of the kids. (They were about 9, 10, 11, so they weren't too young to understand, they just didn't care; they were having fun.) I imagine, there are a lot of parents that aren't as aware or don't care that their kids could potentially ruin someone's gear.
Ok, so to recap, I'm taking my existing tripod (sunpack 6100) and stowing it in a large locker for the day. I'm getting a new 50 mm 1.8 lens and the wired remote for my camera. I'll probably order the lens Monday night since the online camera shop is closed for Passover.
Now I just need to practice and review the shutter, ISO, and aperature setting hints that everyone posted before we leave.
Thank you everyone for your help!!!

I have the d80 and the wired and wireless remotes. I prefer the wired remote. It's the MC-DC1. They sell it on Amazon. It works very well. http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-MC-DC1-Remote-Digital-Cameras/dp/B000A22V6Y
They also sell the lens on Amazon for around the same price as on B&H. Just make sure you buy from a reputable seller or directly from Amazon. If you can get them from Amazon, purchases over $25 often qualify for free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-50mm-Ni...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1208716238&sr=1-1

Take your tripod.

Make sure you practice using your focus points in your camera to avoid being out of focus due to focusing on the wrong thing. I was using my 50mm a few nights ago to take low light, handheld photos of my son playing drums. I kept zooming in, reviewing, and retaking the photos. Just like a previous poster said, you ned to take time to evaluate your photos in camera especially if you aren't sure if they are coming out or not. Retake the photo. Change the settings. Try again. I finally changed my focus points, and just by moving it around, was able to get much nicer photos, in focus, etc. The focus points are important. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't not focusing on him in the first place. I was. But moving the focus point allowed me to get better photos of him using the same settings, just because of the way the camera interpreted the available light, etc.
Check your histograms and also check your in camera meter. It'll show you if you're over exposed or underexposed before you even take the shot. I like to use manual mode a lot because I feel like I have more control over the photos. If I can't figure out how to get it to come out the way I want it, then I switch to Program mode or Auto. I only use Auto mode where I can use a flash and not infringe on anyone.
Also, experiment with your various metering modes. If the light changes a lot you probably shouldn't use matrix mode. It's probably better to use center weighted.
I too used to use an SLR years ago, and the DSLR does have a bit more of a learning curve, especially if you've been out of it like I was before I bought my D80. It's fun and challenging, just have fun with it.
Do you have Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure book? That's a good one. (Although for me, I can only take it in small doses. The pictures are beautiful, but his writing leaves a bit to desired.:rolleyes1 ) I really like The Digital Photography Book by Scott Kelby. He gives you specific 'recipes' to get the type of photo you want to take. He also shows Canon and Nikon and explains a little about the differences in each camera to get the shot. So that's good and will help you get a little more familiar with your camera settings as a side benefit.
Did you happen to see this? --> http://nikondigital.com/D80_digitutor/eng/d80/index.shtml
good luck!
 
They also sell the lens on Amazon for around the same price as on B&H. Just make sure you buy from a reputable seller or directly from Amazon. If you can get them from Amazon, purchases over $25 often qualify for free shipping.


I'm ready to lose it with Amazon and their free shipping. I ordered a lens through them directly on April 5th and I'm still waiting for it. :confused3 It was in stock and supposedly it shipped on April 8th. Someone must be walking it over to my house from Amazon. :rotfl:
 
I'm ready to lose it with Amazon and their free shipping. I ordered a lens through them directly on April 5th and I'm still waiting for it. :confused3 It was in stock and supposedly it shipped on April 8th. Someone must be walking it over to my house from Amazon. :rotfl:
Amazon's "Super Saver" shipping has often been very slow for me... taking a week or two sometimes. They do get it to you, but they do make you wait. A blemish on an otherwise stellar merchant.
 
I'm ready to lose it with Amazon and their free shipping. I ordered a lens through them directly on April 5th and I'm still waiting for it. :confused3 It was in stock and supposedly it shipped on April 8th. Someone must be walking it over to my house from Amazon. :rotfl:

Yikes! DIdn't they email you a delivery date? It does usually take a bit longer w/ their Super Saver shipping, but they have always told me when it would be delivered, and they were right on time according to their shipping details they would send me. The info should still be available in your account if you log on to amazon to check it. If it's taking too long, I would try to contact them to find out what the hold up is, or maybe cancel the order altogether and get it elsewhere. (That'll get their attention!) If they promised you a delivery date and they are not living up to it, then that is unacceptable.

Amazon's "Super Saver" shipping has often been very slow for me... taking a week or two sometimes. They do get it to you, but they do make you wait. A blemish on an otherwise stellar merchant.

They should tell you the delivery date once you buy it. It even tells you if they have to break up the shipment and what items will be coming first and by what date, etc. I've never had a problem ordering from Amazon because they are supposed to let you know when you can expect delivery of the item, and I've received my stuff when I was expecting it.
 


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