Nice Camera at Reasonable Price?

tinkerbell615

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I am not sure if this is where I need to post this question, but thought I would start here first because you guys are always so helpful.

I am looking to purchase a decent camera but one that will not break the bank. We have several cameras in the house with my DDs definately being the best, but I want something a little different.

What I want is to be able to take really crisp/clear pictures of my daughter when she is performing. I would like to be able to zoom in and stay clear while she is moving (dancing/spinning etc...). I also need them to be able to take nice pictures when she is under the lights on the football field at night.

Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions. Like I said we have several Kodak cameras. One is 10 Megapixels with 3X zoom. One is 7.1 Megapixels with 12X zoom. For some reason... I am just not getting what I want.

Thanks!
 
There are probably a couple more things you should add regarding a camera you would like.

1. What kind of budget are you working with for the camera?
2. Do you want a small camera or do you care more about a large zoom?
3. Would you like to get a camera that uses the same type of memory as your daughter's camera so that everyone has things compatible?
4. What is wrong with the pictures you are taking now? You mention that you are not getting what you want, do the pictures seem out of focus, too light, too dark? A lot of cameras are not used correctly because people aren't sure of what all the settings do?
5. What is your current camera? It seems to me that it may be that you are just not that familiar with your current camera.
 
There are probably a couple more things you should add regarding a camera you would like.

1. What kind of budget are you working with for the camera?
2. Do you want a small camera or do you care more about a large zoom?
3. Would you like to get a camera that uses the same type of memory as your daughter's camera so that everyone has things compatible?
4. What is wrong with the pictures you are taking now? You mention that you are not getting what you want, do the pictures seem out of focus, too light, too dark? A lot of cameras are not used correctly because people aren't sure of what all the settings do?
5. What is your current camera? It seems to me that it may be that you are just not that familiar with your current camera.

1. If possible... I would like to stay below $500.00. I figure it would be a nice investment for now for pictures of DD, my DS and for future Disney trips .
2. I really don't care about the camera being too small.
3. The memory being the same as my daughter's camera is not that important. It would be nice, but not necessary
4. Sometimes the pictures I am taking turn out okay. Yesterday I took some early in the day while she was performing. It was bright and I had the camera set on "for action photos in bright light". The night pictures were not so great. I tried both high ISO and a setting that was "for night photos". The night pictures were pretty bad. It seems the more that I zoom, the worse the pictures become. They are blurry. I am sure it is me. I have absolutely no doubt about that. My DD takes better pictures but sometimes her zoom pictures aren't the best either.
I really want nice clarity on the close up pictures I am trying to take. Plus I really want it to be simple, since I am not by any means a photographer. I just really enjoy pictures.
5. DD's camera is a Kodak EasyShare Z712IS and my camera is a Kodak EasyShare 873 (with 8 megapixels, not 10 oops).

Quite lengthy. Sorry. Now you know all about our two newest cameras. LOL.
 
Alas, you cannot get what you want in a point and shoot that is also cheap. It is not technically possible. P&S cameras are small, have small sensors, and small lenses. They are fine for portraits and close ups and daylight, but take away the light or add lots of motion and they cannot keep up in many situations, leaving you with dark or blurry photos (often both).

If you want action shots and low-light shots you'll have to look into dSLRs to have the best chance at success. There are some "bridge" cameras (some dSLR features in a slightly larger P&S body) that do a better job but even those are not ideal for all situations.

Ignore megapixels and ignore digital zoom. Megapixels are the most overrated thing in photography - if you aren't going to blow something up into the size of a wall you don't really need more than a few million. Most famous photos over the years were a lot less than that. Megapixels are nothing for most people and 99% of situations. Digital zoom is inferior to optical zoom - optical is what you want. Digital just takes the visible image and uses the computer to created a closer image - it isn't really seeing it closer it is creating zoom at the expense of image quality. (This is why the night zoom pictures you talked about are so poor - it isn't you at all, it is the limitation of the small camera and digital zoom!)

It is not a cheap hobby! But some memories are priceless, too.
 

Thanks for the reply Golf4food. Do you have any recommendations for me? Maybe something a little less expensive for the inexperienced "starter".
 
You will be able to get a fine camera for far under that budget. And from what I gather you are looking for a point and shoot camera. You are right in trying to adjust the ISO high like 1600 or so for the night photos, the only caveat is that with a high ISO you get pictures that are more grainy. But I think I can give you a few recommendations.

A few tips that are general for any digital point and shoot.

  • Anything above 7-8 megapixels is fine. Don’t buy a camera just for the megapixel max, more megapixels take up more memory on your card which is fine since you can just delete what you don’t want, but don’t let it be a deciding factor. Anything above 7 is going to give you fine 4x6 or 8x10 printouts. If you are printing things larger you can step up but most people can’t tell the difference.
  • Very Important buy a camera that has Image Stabilization. Canon calls it IS, Sony calls it steady shot, every company has a name for it but basically it helps to reduce the shakiness of the photographer. Make sure it is optical not digital image stabilization on whatever you buy.
  • When taking pictures use two hands when you can, it helps to stabilize the camera, if you are at a game where the action is down in the field a tripod will be a great help to you.
  • Press the shutter button (the button you use to take the pictures) halfway and the camera usually makes a noise. Then continue to press it all the way to take the picture. This is called focus lock. For example go ahead and find what you are going to take a picture of and then try to press the button half way, when you are ready to take a picture press it all the way. This involves some anticipation on your part but it may help you take better pictures.
  • Night shots with a point and shoot are difficult. The reason is that for a good night shot everything needs to be still and the light has to be just right. The camera keeps its shutter open and tries to gather as much light as possible before recording the picture due to the fact that at night there is low light. Since the shutter is open for 1 second for example instead of a fraction of a second movement causes a picture to be blurry and weird. Flashes at night are really just terrible in my opinion, plus a flash on a point and shoot is probably too weak. Additionally if the ISO is set real high as noted above it produces a grainy picture.
  • Action shots are hit and miss as well. The auto settings do the best hey can but the thing to remember for action shots is that you have to be ready to take them, keep the camera on the subject preferably focus locked so that when you need to take the shot you only have to press the button half way to complete the shot. The auto setting tries to help the user by either taking multiple shots in succession to try to get the action shot or by increasing the shutter speed so it takes the picture within a fraction of a section to capture the action, this works better when the scene is well lit like an outside sporting event. This way you can keep the iso low like 200-400 to keep the picture crisp
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  1. The Canon PowerShot SD780IS is an excellent camera that my wife uses. It is point and shoot, very simple, and very small. It can be used one handed without much trouble and without much shake since it is light. It also comes in several colors which my wife loved. On a side note about size I found out a long time ago if a camera is too large we won’t usually carry it and we won’t have it for the times we get candid shots. This camera is usually priced around 200-250 dollars. Amazon has the silver one for 207.32 now. The downside to this camera is that since it is small the flash is only going to be good at a short range, mostly close indoor shots. The flash is useless outside. The 3x zoom is sufficient for us but you may not get the real close shots you want to a football field from the stands.
  2. The Canon SD 980 IS is similar to the above but with these major differences: it is larger, the zoom is longer about x5, and the lens is wide-angle. This wide angle is great if you are taking a scene or you want to capture the whole field. Imagine taking a picture of a room and looking at the left and right edge of the photo and remember what is on the edge of the picture. Then imagine taking a few steps back and retaking the picture, you get more into the shot. With the wide angle lens you are the same distance from the subject but you capture more field. About $300 on Amazon.com.
  3. The PowerShot SX120 IS is what you are going to want for great zoom. Essentially this is a larger camera than the previous one I suggested. It still has IS and it has 10 megapixels. The plus about this camera is that you will getter a slightly better flash, for someone with larger hands this may also be easier to handle. As far as I know it only comes in black. The big advantage is the 10x zoom. This one is about 250 on amazon.com

Obviously I have recommended two canon cameras. Other brands I currently use are sony, olympus, nikon, and in the past fujifilm and ricoh. Personally for all around ease of use, price, and functionality I suggest canons. I think that none of the point and shoot cameras regardless of brand are going to give you great night or action shots. This is something you will most likely need to play around with. I highly suggest reading the manual. Another option I have used for action shots is I video tape the action and then use my computer to get the action shot since I have it recorded as video. Still not a great option for action though. The best option for action is a larger Digital SLR camera, but I think that this does not really fit what you are looking for in a camera.

Also I tried to pick cameras that were about 300 or less from amazon.com which I picked as a reference because it is pretty consistent in price. You will need to shop around for a good size memory card as well. Look for the largest card you can find, probably going to be around 8gb so estimate about $50-$100. This way you can just keep shooting pictures and not have to worry about running out of space. Within your less than $500 budget you can also add a good camera case, and perhaps a tripod, or a gorilla pod (a flexible tripod so you can mount the camera on just about anything).

Search websites such as techbargains.com, fatwallet.com, or slickdeals.net for help in getting the lowest price. Other people may suggest more expensive cameras but the following is how I feel about this practice. In general I don't usually buy the best or most expensive cameras I buy used, refurbished high end digital slr cameras sub $800, or I buy moderately priced point and shoot cameras sub $400. This way I can buy a new camera every few years if needed. I don't believe in spending a whole bunch of money and then buying a new camera in 5-10 years. Technology changes too quick and I would rather have something usable all the time instead of the best technology for just 1-2 years. Hope this has helped you in your search. Sorry for the lengthy answer.
 
"Namsupak" Wow! Thank you so much for the in depth response. I really appreciate you taking the time to give me all of this information.

I am going to start doing some research this evening.
 
I do have another question...

I have seen the point and shoot camerals with up to 20X optical zoom. Is this kind of what I need to look for?
 
There is a camera with a 20x zoom that I know of called the Canon sx10. This is a great camera but it would be even larger than the ones I suggest above. It has 10 megapixels and costs about $500. It would be great and has a long zoom, you would still have image stabilization as well. There is another camera with a 20x zoom the Sony X1, cost is a little less somewhere around $420. Similar to the Canon SX10 but I believe it takes HD video as well. I myself use a large camera and enjoy it but either of these two cameras start to approach the price and usability of a digital SLR. The advantage they have over the digital SLR is that they are still pretty much point and shoot with some extra settings. I think they are good cameras but you just need to assess that if you bought one of these would you be willing to carry it around versus a smaller camera. For example I carry my large camera around on planned trips only, my wife carries her camera in her purse at all times since it is so small. For reviews I have found that cnet.com is nice for a good overall review, if you want something in-depth and I mean REALLY in depth you can try dpreview.com they have samples of photos and videos (if applicable) from the cameras.
 
There is a camera with a 20x zoom that I know of called the Canon sx10. This is a great camera but it would be even larger than the ones I suggest above. It has 10 megapixels and costs about $500. It would be great and has a long zoom, you would still have image stabilization as well. There is another camera with a 20x zoom the Sony X1, cost is a little less somewhere around $420. Similar to the Canon SX10 but I believe it takes HD video as well. I myself use a large camera and enjoy it but either of these two cameras start to approach the price and usability of a digital SLR. The advantage they have over the digital SLR is that they are still pretty much point and shoot with some extra settings. I think they are good cameras but you just need to assess that if you bought one of these would you be willing to carry it around versus a smaller camera. For example I carry my large camera around on planned trips only, my wife carries her camera in her purse at all times since it is so small. For reviews I have found that cnet.com is nice for a good overall review, if you want something in-depth and I mean REALLY in depth you can try dpreview.com they have samples of photos and videos (if applicable) from the cameras.

The Canon sx10 is under $400 now. There is an updated version out now... the sx20 which is $381 right now on Amazon and it has HD video and an articulating LCD screen. I've had it about 2 weeks and I highly recommend it :)
 
I just got a new camera for my birthday. I wanted something that was a little fancier than my Canon (it is a very very simple point and shoot)from a few years ago. I researched and researched and honestly got overwhelmed by my choices.

I ended up buying a Panasonic DMC-ZS1K from Costco. It was $239 with a case and 2GB card. I would have never have thought of a Panasonic camera but it is great. The auto mode is good for everyday shots. It has a face recognition mode that I have enjoyed playing around with since 90% of my shots are of the my two boys. It has 24 different "fancy" modes- like beach which is suppose to bring out the blues of the sky and water without darkening the person, fireworks, high sensitive which is suppose to prevent blurring of the subject in dark indoor conditions, food, and even a transform mode that lets you decide how slim you want your subject to be ;). The lag time is small.

I'm not a professional photographer and like I said most of my pictures are of my kids. I like the ease of the menu with this camera. Unlike my other cameras in the past, I can see myself actually taking the time to use some the fancier features of this one.

Good luck with your search!
 
Kodak has what appears to be a newer point and shoot camera out. It is ... KODAK EASYSHARE Z980 Digital Camera. Has anyone ever seen or used this camera? It looks like it has quite a few options.

Just asking since we already have a few Kodak cameras. The one thing I have noticed... is that most of you typically do not recommend Kodak.
 
I love my Nikon D80, it may be out of your price range, but the pictures are GREAT and it's more than just a point and shoot. I've taken lots of professional looking pictures with it.

Ritz camera, though they have closed some, is a GREAT place to start. They offer knowledgable sales people, you can hold them and try them, etc.
 
Kodak is an okay company but I think that there are just better options for the same price. The nikon D80 is a great camera but probably not what you are looking for. The thing to remember is that no matter how good the camera is the photographer makes a lot of difference. You can take great pictures with a point and shoot versus a DSLR if you know how to use it. A DSLR is great it just has a greater learning curve. Thanks for the post about the sx20 I didn't even think about that one.
 


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