News Round Up 2020

[rteetz]

My thought went to the people who already complained at how much pre-planning Disney requires...

If there is no FP that will help.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If there is no FP that will help.

It could but you really think Disney will abandon FP entirely forever? That's what the article was about right? That park reservation system was likely to stay after the pandemic is over and after the need for it to restrict occupancy is gone. Unless I read it wrong which is possible.

 

[rteetz]

It could but you really think Disney will abandon FP entirely forever? That's what the article was about right? That park reservation system was likely to stay after the pandemic is over and after the need for it to restrict occupancy is gone. Unless I read it wrong which is possible.

In the form it was previously yes. I think a paid offering is coming. FP kills standby. Theoretically if you have less FP that allows for more standby to get through.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

In the form it was previously yes. I think a paid offering is coming. FP kills standby. Theoretically if you have less FP that allows for more standby to get through.

Oh I'm all for FP going away at least mostly (though I'm not for a paid option but that's based on principle even whilst understanding eventually Disney will make it paid), I was just considering how much investment they have done with FP is all. I agree though it would basically be swapping one planning thing for another if FP didn't exist but park reservations did.

 

[New Mouse]

In the form it was previously yes. I think a paid offering is coming. FP kills standby. Theoretically if you have less FP that allows for more standby to get through.

If you dont have perks for hotel guests, there is no reason for hotel.guests to pay 3x non disney rates.

 

[CastAStone]

They’ve had a park reservation system for 7 years. They called it FastPass+ and it meant they knew 1 Park you would be in ahead of time so they could staff accordingly. Yes you didn’t HAVE to reserve and you could change your mind or park hop, but I imagine that will still be true once the pandemic ends and there is plenty of capacity 362 days per year.

 

[rteetz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298840941982351360

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They’ve had a park reservation system for 7 years. They called it FastPass+ and it meant they knew 1 Park you would be in ahead of time so they could staff accordingly. Yes you didn’t HAVE to reserve and you could change your mind or park hop, but I imagine that will still be true once the pandemic ends and there is plenty of capacity 362 days per year.

But this park reservation system is different. FP was optional and not required for entry as a rule (only under phased closures). With the park reservation system during COVID it's not optional and required for entry. We're not talking A way to track people it's the specific way being done. Capacity wasn't really was I was thinking about anyways. Anywho it's a cross that bridge when you get to it type thing, just talking out loud about it.

 

[CastAStone]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298840941982351360

TikTok as a platform will be a weird(er) place if it becomes segmented by country. I totally get Meyer’s frustration, both with the impact it would have to the platform, but also to suddenly going from his first CEO role to Senior whatever at Microsoft (assuming that sale gets finalized). Huge, undeserved demotion.

 

[CastAStone]

But this park reservation system is different. FP was optional and not required for entry as a rule (only under phased closures). With the park reservation system during COVID it's not optional and required for entry. We're not talking A way to track people it's the specific way being done. Capacity wasn't really was I was thinking about anyways. Anywho it's a cross that bridge when you get to it type thing, just talking out loud about it.

Once all this is over, even if you have to make a park reservation, you’ll be able to make it morning of most days. So I’m not sure what the concern is.

Actually right now on most days you can make it morning of, as long as you’re not an AP.

 

[YesterDark]

There will be incentives to make people reserve early. For example, MK normally opened up through the hub at 8am if I remember right. Maybe only those reserving within X hours/days of opening will be allowed in.

But yeah, you'll most likely be able to reserve most days wherever you want the day of. If for some reason, Disney has a labor shortage one day (people calling in sick, Disney deciding to operate at 70% staffing) they'll limit people from coming into certain parks.

It gives them an artificial way to steer people to other parks too. Just like manipulating standby times to get people to spread out inside a specific park.

Seems smart to me anyway.

I also just thought about another thing:
Depending on how much volume they get with people buying tickets the day of entry or a few days prior, they can sell individual park tickets i.e. AK ticket or a Epcot ticket at cheaper prices that come with a reservation that get people to spread out more.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Grand Floridian walkway sign installed at MK

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298976942784380928

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I also just thought about another thing:
Depending on how much volume they get with people buying tickets the day of entry or a few days prior, they can sell individual park tickets i.e. AK ticket or a Epcot ticket at cheaper prices that come with a reservation that get people to spread out more.

I was thinking the other way - how it could let them charge more for certain days, even day of

"Oh, we thought MK today would be a 7 on the crowd calendar but turns out it is a 9 so if you want to enter today it will be an extra $20 ... But Epcot is looking like the 6 we thought it would be so no upcharge there"

 

[rteetz]

News

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...i-architecture/?CMP=SOC-DPFY20Q4wo0827200031A

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Once all this is over, even if you have to make a park reservation, you’ll be able to make it morning of most days. So I’m not sure what the concern is.

Actually right now on most days you can make it morning of, as long as you’re not an AP.

I get that again I'm not talking capacity here. I'm not taking about ease of getting a reservation. I'm talking about a requirement of a reservation for the long term, as the article said "it's here to stay even after the pandemic is over" entry to the park. I guess I'm thinking about the other people the ones not on the Board and how it will impact them. Anyways back to the rest of the news moving on

 

[Brianstl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298840941982351360

Mayer isn't much of a forward looking businessman if he didn't see what is happening as a very strong possibility when he took the job. What is happening with Tik Tok has been a real possibility since the Peterson Institute issued their report back in January of 2019.

 

[rteetz]

Mayer isn't much of a forward looking businessman if he didn't see what is happening as a very strong possibility when he took the job. What is happening with Tik Tok has been a real possibility since the Peterson Institute issued their report back in January of 2019.

He wanted to lead the next big social media company. He doesn’t want to be some executive at Microsoft or whoever buys them. I’m interested to see where he goes next.

 

[tlmadden73]

https://blogmickey.com/2020/08/disney-parks-chairman-park-reservation-system-is-here-to-stay/
I knew it!! Next will be allowing APs to bypass reservations after they Jack up the price some more.

Then my prediction will totally right !

Sure .. so like an "Adamantium Annual Pass" -- where you never need reservations? Just a huge price tag that lets you not ever need a park reservation? I could see the price of that be REALLY large. It really just comes down to what Disney wants from their guests. Do they want guests who buy 10 days of tickets in advance with the ability to come on multiple trips a year (that may end up being 10-20 days?) Or do they just want guests to buy 5-7 days of tickets .. and just come maybe once a year or every other year.

Maybe there won't even be a traditional "annual" pass (where you can go as many times as you want). Maybe they will just sell a way to maybe buy tickets in bulk .. but that can be used ANY time in year (with reservations).

Like .. here is a 20-day ticket package .. you can use those 20 days for any number of trips at any time in a year's time by making park reservations.


Would explain why they've stopped selling Annual Passes as well .. gives them time to re-haul them and re-price them. There will be less of a PR hit if you bring something back (at an increased price) then just shockingly raise the price overnight to an existing item.

*sigh*

 

[dlavender]

I get that again I'm not talking capacity here. I'm not taking about ease of getting a reservation. I'm talking about a requirement of a reservation for the long term, as the article said "it's here to stay even after the pandemic is over" entry to the park. I guess I'm thinking about the other people the ones not on the Board and how it will impact them. Anyways back to the rest of the news moving on

I'm struggling to see how this plays out well.

Right now "aimless" guests (preCovid) can just show up after purchasing their ticket. Even the ones who purchase tickets in advance or already have tickets or got them through third parties. No FP is required. I don't know the percentages of aimless guests vs educated ones, but I have to imagine it is bigger than I think. Can't imagine the mess this would create at the turn styles.

Or if I want to go to Epcot on a whim after being in MK I just have to log in and reserve my hop to Epcot? I don't know if I'm overcomplicating it in my mind (real possibility), but it just seems so cumbersome. What happens to the family who decides to go to Epcot after being in another park and forgets this process of reserving an Epcot day? They show up, scan tickets, and then have to get held up until they reserve it? A lot of what if's that I'm sure are way too premature.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I'm struggling to see how this plays out well.

Right now "aimless" guests (preCovid) can just show up after purchasing their ticket. Even the ones who purchase tickets in advance or already have tickets or got them through third parties. No FP is required. I don't know the percentages of aimless guests vs educated ones, but I have to imagine it is bigger than I think. Can't imagine the mess this would create at the turn styles.

Or if I want to go to Epcot on a whim after being in MK I just have to log in and reserve my hop to Epcot? I don't know if I'm overcomplicating it in my mind (real possibility), but it just seems so cumbersome. What happens to the family who decides to go to Epcot after being in another park and forgets this process of reserving an Epcot day? They show up, scan tickets, and then have to get held up until they reserve it? A lot of what if's that I'm sure are way too premature.

Your second paragraph seems fairly some to me - really similar to log on to look for a new FP or to mobile order

Will be just "something else" for those that don't want to use their phone/aren't able to/don't know - but maybe the net impact will be less of that if this coincides with a reduction to FPs so you don't need to "pound the app" for that as much

.... Maybe I am overly optimistic but just feels like something there will be a lot of grumbling about at the beginning and then within 12 months people will be used to it and it will be no big deal